Speech Attacking Circumcision in Judaism

No, not if it was pointless and just for the sake of doin git because my parents did it to me and thiers to them

Believe what you want. No one else has to believe it with you. In fact, who are you, some complete stranger, to have ANY bearing on what goes on in my household? Do you pay my bills? Feed my kids? Is the righteousness of God in you? No? Then move on.
 
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And do your job of backing up your own claims? No thank you.

Most of the stuff stated is pseudoscience or unconfirmed at best, and which can be also avoided by regular cleaning.
No need to mutilate someone for that, especially considering that it isnt riskless.

"The Mayo Clinic is a nonprofit academic medical center based in Rochester, Minnesota focused on integrated clinical practice, education, and research. It employs more than 4,500 physicians and scientists and 58,400 administrative and allied health staff."

Kamina is a poster on GAF whos expertise in _____ & _______ & _______ is unquestioned, and as such, he can easily call the Mayo Clinic and World Health Organization, full of" pseudoscience or unverified" claims.

Did I get that right? Could you fill in the blanks for me?
 
Believe what you want. No one else has to believe it with you. In fact, who are you, some complete stranger, to have ANY bearing on what goes on in my household? Do you pay my bills? Feed my kids? No? Then move on.
Thanks, and you believe what you want..
I am not telling you anything, it is just my opinion that its wrong and should not be allowed unless otherwise necessary.
But if you want to be like that then I wish you that your kid, if you have a boy, will one day grow up and blame you for doing something he didnt want.
And if you are to ignorant to see that it might be unnecessary then i suggest you do the same and move on, since you seem to cant stand that people have different opinions.

"The Mayo Clinic...
And i am sure all these are working on circumcision, all their studies are widely proven, available with all facts to read up and face no counter studies whatsoever?
But whatever, be like that.
 
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Dont know, does it?
Aren't there also some reports of sexual pleasure feelings getting less intense for circumiced men? At least I recall reing that some time ago.

In the end, a foreskin is something nature intended. It is obviously some sort of protection, and I dont understand why some people need to find reasons to cut something off just because it seems pointless to them.
The small toe is pointless, do we cut it off because of that?
Earlobes are pointless, do we cut them off?
Small toe keeps balance, earlobes get pierced...
 
No, not if it was pointless and just for the sake of doing it because "my parents did it to me and thiers to them"

But it isn't pointless. There are some medical benefits and then their are relegious reasons which in your mind might be pointless but to over 1 Billion people they aren't. Respect their opinions too. Circumcision is harmless and has 0 effect on someone in their life.

Trust me you aren't addressing a major problem in the muslim/jewish community. The vast majority of Jews have no issues that their parents decided to raise them Jewish and appreciate the fact they are Jewish and that they have made a covenant with god.

If its useless to you then don't get your kids circumsized thats your choice. I have no problems with you personally not wanting one or your kids not wanting one I wont force that on you even if their are some medical benefits. So how about the same of not forcing your opinion on others who don't find it pointless?
 
But it isn't pointless. There are some medical benefits and then their are relegious reasons which in your mind might be pointless but to over 1 Billion people they aren't. Respect their opinions too. Circumcision is harmless and has 0 effect on someone in their life.

Trust me you aren't addressing a major problem in the muslim/jewish community. The vast majority of Jews have no issues that their parents decided to raise them Jewish and appreciate the fact they are Jewish and that they have made a covenant with god.

If its useless to you then don't get your kids circumsized thats your choice. I have no problems with you personally not wanting one or your kids not wanting one I wont force that on you even if their are some medical benefits. So how about the same of not forcing your opinion on others who don't find it pointless?
I agree that it isnt a major issue. It just seems unnecessary to me and should not be forced onto someone.
But thats my point of view.
And where did I force my opinion onto anyone? Last time I checked this was an open dicussion and you guys freely enganged my posts showering me 3:1 with your opinions on how you think its okay to cut off foreskins. Its not like i invaded your house and forced my view onto you.

Look, i respect your view, but that doesnt mean you will convince me of the opposite, and especially not in a thread which has countless counter agruments just a page ago.
 
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So everyone's just going to ignore @ LordOfChaos LordOfChaos ' post which contains a looooong list of organisations that oppose circumcision of children? Like, we're just going to pretend there's absolutely no downsides to it at all?

I'm not even necessarily arguing against circumcision. I just think people should only get themselves circumcized, not others, and especially not young children. It's a decision one should make themselves because we're dealing with permanent changes to the body that can't be reverted. It doesn't even matter if there's upsides or downsides. It's just something people should decide for themselves.
 
I agree that it isnt a major issue. It just seems unnecessary to me and should not be forced onto someone.
But thats my point of view.
And where did I force my opinion onto anyone? Last time I checked this was an open dicussion and you guys freely enganged my posts. Its not like i invaded your house and forced my view onto you.

Alright I will back off as far as "forcing".

Like I said you have your view and if thats what you think is best for yours and your family then thats fine.

In the grand scheme of things its a harmless procedure that makes 0 difference in peoples lives. If people want it done for the small medical benefits or religious reasons then they should have the right as well.

From a Jewish perspective outside of some fringe elements Jews don't feel it was forced on them and are actually happy to be Jewish and that they have that covenant with god. I can't speak for Muslims but I imagine its pretty much the same.

To each their own on this subject is my opinion.
 
So everyone's just going to ignore @ LordOfChaos LordOfChaos ' post which contains a looooong list of organisations that oppose circumcision of children? Like, we're just going to pretend there's absolutely no downsides to it at all?

I'm not even necessarily arguing against circumcision. I just think people should only get themselves circumcized, not others, and especially not young children. It's a decision one should make themselves because we're dealing with permanent changes to the body that can't be reverted. It doesn't even matter if there's upsides or downsides. It's just something people should decide for themselves.
Exactly what I tried to say. People can do to themselves as they please, after all.

Alright I will back off as far as "forcing".

Like I said you have your view and if thats what you think is best for yours and your family then thats fine.

In the grand scheme of things its a harmless procedure that makes 0 difference in peoples lives. If people want it done for the small medical benefits or religious reasons then they should have the right as well.

From a Jewish perspective outside of some fringe elements Jews don't feel it was forced on them and are actually happy to be Jewish and that they have that covenant with god. I can't speak for Muslims but I imagine its pretty much the same.

To each their own on this subject is my opinion.
That I can agree to :)
 
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I agree that it isnt a major issue. It just seems unnecessary to me and should not be forced onto someone.

I didn't choose to be born either but a couple of assholes fucked and here I am. Maybe we should outlaw childbirth until we can find a way to ensure consent of the person being born? /s

(Sorry, I am having a shitty day and I'm just venting here)
 
I didn't choose to be born either but a couple of assholes fucked and here I am. Maybe we should outlaw childbirth until we can find a way to ensure consent of the person being born? /s

(Sorry, I am having a shitty day and I'm just venting here)
Is your life such torture currently?☹️
 
I didn't choose to be born either but a couple of assholes fucked and here I am. Maybe we should outlaw childbirth until we can find a way to ensure consent of the person being born? /s

(Sorry, I am having a shitty day and I'm just venting here)


See, arguments like this make me ask if you are ok with female circumcision as well?
 
See, arguments like this make me ask if you are ok with female circumcision as well?

Ok? I've already stated my opinion on that one earlier in the thread.

I thought the *slash*S and follow up statement would be enough to communicate my sarcasm.
 
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Ok? I've already stated my opinion on that one earlier in the thread.

I thought the *slash*S and follow up statement would be enough to communicate my sarcasm.

Your last post was hilarious.
The dude us being disingenuous when he asks if you're OK with female genital mutilation.
He knows that the 2 things have nothing in common, but if he keeps repeating it, maybe someone will bite. Hey, it works for Trump.
 
I think that the uncut guys are well aware of how disgusting many women find uncut dicks, and they hate us, cut guys for it.

We don't need you to fight for our dicks. Just do the right thing, and make sure your kids get cut at a young age,so they do t need to live with the shame that ya'll have. They'll thank you for it.

Or men who had no choice in the matter trying to convince themselves the vast majority of women give a shit while doing the 'I don't care, you care' routine. If women do prefer it, it's undoubtedly because they grew up in a society where it was the norm, and that's just tautological arguing. Go ahead and be happy with your penis, that's great! But women find uncut, the natural state of things and 85% of the worlds men, gross? The shallow few who do are probably best avoided.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17155977
SUBJECTS AND METHODS:
The study included 373 sexually active men, of whom 255 were circumcised and 118 were not. Of the 255 circumcised men, 138 had been sexually active before circumcision, and all were circumcised at >20 years of age. As the Brief Male Sexual Function Inventory does not specifically address the quality of sex life, questions were added to compare sexual and masturbatory pleasure before and after circumcision.
RESULTS:
There were no significant differences in sexual drive, erection, ejaculation, and ejaculation latency time between circumcised and uncircumcised men. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision.
CONCLUSION:
There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men...because of a loss of nerve endings.

Yeah, I'm not going to continue doing that to babies to make you feel good. If an adult wants to get it done, have at it, forcing it on a baby because it's the adults own sexual preference is just beyond my mind to comprehend. Most of that babys peers will be uncut too.


Never understood the anti circumcision movement. It's vestigial. It's more difficult to clean, requires more maintenance, and is more likely to catch literally everything.

And which health body calls it vestigial?
Protection. The foreskin in the adult male either partially or completely covers the glans penis.40 The foreskin protects the glans penis from friction and from dryness.28 The foreskin maintains the sub-preputial space in a state of wetness with prostatic, vesicular and urethral secretions.17 The glans penis is covered with mucosa, not skin, so the wetness is essential for optimum health. There may be a correlation between wetness and sensitivity. Removal of the prepuce by circumcision results in a change in the appearance of the glans penis. The color tends to change from a red-purple to a light pink in caucausians and the texture changes from a glossy finish to a matte finish and becomes dull rather than shiny. Some believe that the epithelium of the glans thickens after removal of the foreskin to provide additional layers of protection and that this keratinization deadens sensation.10 Morgan (1965) said, "Removal of the prepuce exposes the glans to foreign stimuli which dull these special receptors.11 Bigelow (1994) observed that improvement in glanular sensitivity is the most frequently reported outcome of foreskin restoration.26 Pertot (1994) reports that the glans becomes softer after foreskin restoration.27 These older papers do not recognize the sensitivity of the foreskin itself.

Some doctors who are associated with the Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Yeshiva University have carried out measurements of glanular sensitivity in both circumcised and intact males.53 54 Bleustein et al. (2003) claimed to measure overall penile sensitivity, but their methodology made that impossible. Even though the high innervation,6 21 29 40 the sensitivity,1239 51 and the erogenous nature,6 of the foreskin had been reported previously, the foreskin inexplicably was not tested. The foreskin was held back out of the way53 54 and the contribution of the foreskin to overall penile sensitivity was not determined. Their studies reported little difference in glanular sensitivity between circumcised and intact males.53 54 If that is the case, then the decrease in penile sensitivity after circumcision and the increase noted after foreskin restoration must lie elsewhere.57 The most likely location is in the foreskin.57 Denniston reported loss of sexual pleasure in a survey of males circumcised in adulthood.61 The most recent study finds that the intact penis is about four times more sensitive than the circumcised penis.67

Mechanical function. The foreskin provides mechanical functions to facilitate intromission and penetration. Several authorities observe that the penis enters the vagina without friction as the foreskin unfolds.4 9 10 11 Taves (2002) reported that excision of the foreskin by circumcision increases the force required to penetrate by ten-fold.51 Shen et al. reported 43.1 percent of men cirumcised as adults experience difficult penetration.59 After penetration, the foreskin provides a gliding action that greatly reduces friction,4 9 11 15 41 49and vaginal dryness.27 40 50 55

Elasticity. The foreskin has a layer of smooth muscle tissue called the peripenic muscle,1 which is part of the dartos muscle.1 39 The contraction and expansion of the muscle fibers in this layer give the foreskin great elasticity and are important in erogenous sensation. Lakshmanan & Prakash report a "mosaic of muscle tissues and elastic fibres" contained between the two layers of the foreskin, which keep the foreskin snugly against in the glans penis in a close fit.15 The muscle fibres must stretch to allow the foreskin to retract over the glans and contract again when the foreskin returns to its normal forward position. The expansion and contraction of the muscle fibres during coitus allows the foreskin to stretch. The stretching deformes the Meissner corpuscles and produces sensation.68 The nerve bundles run alongside the dartos muscle.40 The stretching puts tension on the nerve endings contained within the foreskin. The nerve endings deform and generate pleasurable erotic sensations to the central nervous system and inputs to the autonomic nervous system, which plays a role in controlling erection and ejaculation.57 68 Taylor (2003) reports preliminary evidence that stretching of the foreskin produces contractions associated with ejaculation.58 Taylor reports that the ridged band of the foreskin is reflexogenic and produces contractions that result in ejaculation.68

Erogenous tissue. the foreskin is heavily innervated even at birth and before.5 21 The foreskin is a specific erogenous zone6 with nerve endings near the surface of the ridged bandarranged in rete ridges.29 The foreskin is noted for its sensory pleasure.12 36 51 Circumcision, therefore, diminishes sexual sensation.6 9 10 11 12 18 28 31 38 57 59 62 63 64

Impotence and sexual dysfunction. The nerves in the foreskin apparently provide an impulse to aid erection. Circumcision has long been associated with an increased incidence of impotence. Glover (1929) reported a case.2 Winkelmann (1959) suggested impotence as a possibility,6 as did Foley (1966).10 Stinson (1973) reported five cases.13 Palmer & Link (1979) reported two cases.14 More recently, additional evidence of sexual dysfunction after circumcision has emerged. Coursey et al. reported that the degradation in sexual function after circumcision is equivalent to the degradation experienced after anterior urethroplasty.47 Fink et al. reported statistically significant degradation in sexual function.49 A survey carried out in South Korea found that circumcised men reported painful erections, and diminished sexual pleasure, and a few reported curvature of the penis upon erection.48 Shen et al. (2004), in a study carried out in China, reported erectile dysfunction in 28.4 percent of the men in the study after circumcision, and 'weakened erectile confidence' in 34.7 percent.59

Premature ejaculation. Lakshmanan & Prakash (1980) report that the foreskin impinges against the corona glandis during coitus.15 The foreskin, therefore, tends to protect the corona glandis from direct stimulation by the vagina of the female partner during coitus. The corona is the most highly innervated part of the glans penis.19 Zwang argues that removal of the foreskin allows direct stimulation of the corona glandis and this may cause premature ejaculation in some males.32 O'Hara & O'Hara (1999) report more premature ejaculation in circumcised male partners.41 The presence of the foreskin, therefore, may make it easier to avoid premature ejaculation, while its absence would make it more difficult to avoid premature ejaculation. Masood et al. report that circumcision is more likely to worsen premature ejaculation than improve it.64 The Australian Study of Health and Relationships found that "26% of circumcised men but 22% of uncircumcised men reported reaching orgasm too quickly for at least one month in the previous year."65 Kim & Pang (2006) reported decreased ejaculation latency time in circumcised men but the decrease was not considered statistically significant.66

Inability to ejaculate or delayed ejaculation. While some circumcised males may suffer from a tendency toward premature ejaculation, others find that they have great difficulty in ejaculating.50 The nerves in the foreskin and ridged band are stimulated by stretching,18 57 amongst other movements. If those nerves are not present, Money (1983) argues that excision of these stretch receptors by circumcision may make ejaculation take longer.18. Some circumcised males may have to resort to prolonged and aggressive thrusting to achieve orgasm.40 49 Shen et al. (2004) reported that 32.6 percent of the men in his study reported prolonged intercourse after circumcision.59 Senkul et al. (2004) reported an appreciable increase in ejaculatory latency time (time to ejaculate).60 Thorvaldsen & Meyhoff (2005) reported that circumcised males have more difficulty with ejaculation and orgasm.63 Kim & Pang (2006) reported that circumcised men have more difficulty with masturbation.66 Solinis & Yiannaki reported that 65 percent of circumcised men in their study reported increased ejaculation time in their study.69

Loss of sexual pleasure. Denniston reported that some circumcised men would not have the operation again because of loss of sexual pleasure.61 Kim & Pang (2006) reported that 48 percent of Korean men in a survey experienced loss of mastubatory pleasure after circumcision as compared with 8 percent that experienced increased pleasure and 8 percent reported improved sexual life, but 20 percent reported worsened sexual life.66 Solinis & Yiannaki reported that 16 percent of the men in their study reported a better sex life after circumcision but 35 percent reported a worsened sex life.69

Sexual behaviour. The alteration to the sexual organ causes many circumcised males to change their sexual behavior. Foley reported that circumcised males are more likely to masturbate.10 Hooykaas et al. (1991) reported that immigrant (mostly circumcised) males have a greater tendency to engage in risky sexual behavior with prostitutes as compared with Dutch (mostly normal intact) males.23 The U. S. National Health and Social Life Survey found that circumcised males have a "more elaborated" set of sexual practices, including more masturbation, and more heterosexual oral sex.30 The British National Survey of Sexual Attitudes and Lifestyles (2000) reported that circumcised males were more likely to report having a homosexual partner and more likely to have partners from abroad as compared with normal intact males.56 Circumcised men are significantly less likely to use condoms.38 50 Many men in the Solinis and Yiannaki study reported decreased sex life after circumcision.69

Value to female partners. The foreskin has long been known to be valuable to the female partner.8 16 The presence of the foreskin is reported to be stimulating to the female.41 45 55Women are more likely to experience vaginal dryness during sex with a circumcised partner.24 28 62 The unnatural dryness may make coitus painful and result in abrasions.28 41 50 The vaginal dryness may be mistakenly attributed to female arousal disorder.55 62 O'Hara & O'Hara report that the female partner is less likely to experience orgasm when the foreskin is not present and more likely to experience orgasm or even multiple orgasms when the foreskin is present.41

Recent studies. Solinis & Yiannaki (2007) found that 46 percent of men in their study reported a worsened sex life for their partner while 33 percent reported that that their partner's sex life had improved.69

Frisch et al. (2011) studied the effects of circumcision among Danish people and reported:

"Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment."70
Podnar compared the ability to elicit bulbo-cavernosus contractions (that cause ejaculation) in circumcised and non-circumcised men. He was not able to elicit the contraction in 8 percent of foreskinned men, however in circumcised men he could not elicit contractions in 73 percent. Among men with permanently retracted foreskins, he could not elicit contractions in 64 percent..71

Bronselaer et al. (2013) carried out a large study in Belgium to measure comparative penile sensation. Circumcised men experienced decreased sexual pleasure and lower orgasm intensity as compared with non-circumcised men. Circumcised men reported more pain, discomfort, numbness, and unusual sensations..72

The evidence of harm to sexual pleasure and function of both the male and his female partner caused by male circumcision is now conclusive and irrefutable.

And what other vestigial parts do we cut out of babies?
It just seems like any pro circumcision arguments in the modern age are wont to make things up...
 
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So everyone's just going to ignore @ LordOfChaos LordOfChaos ' post which contains a looooong list of organisations that oppose circumcision of children? Like, we're just going to pretend there's absolutely no downsides to it at all?

I'm not even necessarily arguing against circumcision. I just think people should only get themselves circumcized, not others, and especially not young children. It's a decision one should make themselves because we're dealing with permanent changes to the body that can't be reverted. It doesn't even matter if there's upsides or downsides. It's just something people should decide for themselves.



Hah, thank you. Everyone arguing that they either love being cut or uncut and getting angry but like, we're going to ignore what nearly every major health body in the world says. Last page, if anyone's interested, and another study on this one.

And yeah I'm in your boat, I'm actually glad if everyone's glad with their dicks (I didn't wake up expecting to write that sentence), but forcing their sexual prefference on babies against the statements of the majority of health organizations? Weird, man. Another weird thing that sets America apart, any other country that does it is Muslim majority or Israel.

But even then, with the circumcision rate in the States dropping under 50%, a baby born today will have the majority of their peers uncut, a circumcised one will be in the minority.
 
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Believe what you want. No one else has to believe it with you. In fact, who are you, some complete stranger, to have ANY bearing on what goes on in my household? Do you pay my bills? Feed my kids? Is the righteousness of God in you? No? Then move on.
lol calm down

 
Ahh, yes. Never does with you religious people.

You think of the flesh too much.

Hence why you never quite understand the whole circumcision without hands thing.

No, it's just basic reading comprehension and some basic studying. Sorry us "religious people" actually know what we're talking about with the books we study and don't cherry pick.
 
No, it's just basic reading comprehension and some basic studying. Sorry us "religious people" actually know what we're talking about with the books we study and don't cherry pick.


Nah, you certainly pick Children's cherries, manipulating scripture to abuse kids, like Priests do.

Sure you don't, cherry picking scripture is the foundation of all religion.

Wrongly dividing the words of truth in your case.

If the master of the house is a nonce, then the members of the house support them.


You religious people hijack scripture for your own ends, and then have the nerve to think you own it.


My websites www.sevenththunder.com and www.shigionoth.com explain that quite clearly.

You might want to consider who you're arguing with if your blind mind can even understand my words.
 
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Nah, you certainly pick Children's cherries, manipulating scripture to abuse kids, like Priests do.

Sure you don't, cherry picking scripture is the foundation of all religion.

Wrongly dividing the words of truth in your case.

If the master of the house is a nonce, then the members of the house support them.


You religious people hijack scripture for your own ends, and then have the nerve to think you own it.


My websites www.sevenththunder.com and www.shigionoth.com explain that quite clearly.

You might want to consider who you're arguing with if your blind mind can even understand my words.

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Never understood the anti circumcision movement. It's vestigial. It's more difficult to clean, requires more maintenance, and is more likely to catch literally everything.
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The way you put sounded like it is super hard to clean it. As a matter o fact most of peopple does not have problems with phimosis so it is pretty straightforward to clean it as long as you have access to clean water as most peopple living in cities have. I understand that in the past this was a major issue within the Jewshi tribes, but nowadays it is silly to use the argument of cleanness in favor of circumcision.
 
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The way you put sounded like it is super hard to clean it. As a matter o fact most of peopple does not have problems with phimosis so it is pretty straightforward to clean it as long as you have access to clean water as most peopple living in cities have. I understand that in the past this was a major issue within the Jewshi tribes, but nowadays it is silly to use the argument of cleanness in favor of circumcision.

Still more likely to catch STD's or infections.
 
Apparently there's local protesters about this dressed all in white, wearing cowboy hats with blood on their crotches... wtf man...
 
That is like...super weird 😐
It gets weirder, I found pics... this is actually happening like 10 blocks from my job...

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I am assuming this in the states? And as far as I know circumcission isn't mandatory but suggest in the USA.

So what are these people protesting. No one is forcing them to have circumcisions or to have it done to their kids.

So they are just pissed that Jews/Muslims do it. Stay away from other peoples dicks, focus on your own.
 
I am assuming this in the states? And as far as I know circumcission isn't mandatory but suggest in the USA.

So what are these people protesting. No one is forcing them to have circumcisions or to have it done to their kids.

So they are just pissed that Jews/Muslims do it. Stay away from other peoples dicks, focus on your own.
No, they are mad that it happens at all. They call it child abuse. I mean what the fuck it's Wednesday afternoon... no job?
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ncreases-risk-cot-death-stress-procedure.html

Circumcising newborn boys increases their risk of cot death due to the stress of the procedure - and could explain why it is more common in boys than girls, study finds
  • Circumisicion-related stress may include babies suffering pain or bleeding
  • It could also be related to being separated from their mothers for the procedure
  • Researchers believe this may explain why cot death is more common in boys
  • Being born at 24-to-27 weeks, rather than 40, also increases babies' risk
  • Cot death kills around 300 babies in the UK and 3,500 every year in the US

This thread had people say we should circumcise our kids so they...Wouldn't feel shame.
It literally kills. How it's even legal without direct medical need is beyond me.
 
So everyone's just going to ignore @ LordOfChaos LordOfChaos ' post which contains a looooong list of organisations that oppose circumcision of children? Like, we're just going to pretend there's absolutely no downsides to it at all?

I'm not even necessarily arguing against circumcision. I just think people should only get themselves circumcized, not others, and especially not young children. It's a decision one should make themselves because we're dealing with permanent changes to the body that can't be reverted. It doesn't even matter if there's upsides or downsides. It's just something people should decide for themselves.


If people got to decide for themselves there would be NO RELIGION. This is one of the methods to passively control you. Only people who have been circumcised seem to stick up for it - why could that be? I mean i was beaten as child it did me no harm!!!
 
I have seen threads on ERA about this and I always wondered if there was some secret anti-cirumcision group that all these people go to to get their information and here is the proof LOL. I guess their really is some sub cutlure that thinks they have to save peoples dicks.

No one is forcing people to get circumcisions, if you don't want your children to have one then don't give them one.

Parents are forcing their children to get circumcized. They shouldn't. Let the child decide once old enough to make such a decision.
 
That's something I will never understand...cutting the skin that's protecting your most sensitive body part and keeping it warm, lubricated and soft to be able to feel 100% of the pleasure of sexual intercourse.
 
If you ate a banana with the skin on it, would you be getting 100% of the pleasure of the food? No. There's literally no proof that sex is magnitudes better. And forskin doesn't keep it lubricated. WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE GET THIS STUFF? 😩

Parents are forcing their children to get circumcized. They shouldn't. Let the child decide once old enough to make such a decision.

I don't feel as my parents FORCED me to get circumcised. Only those brainwashed with the idea from outer influences feel that way. If that thought weren't put out there, no one would ever think such a strange thing.
 
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If you ate a banana with the skin on it, would you be getting 100% of the pleasure of the food? No. There's literally no proof that sex is magnitudes better. And forskin doesn't keep it lubricated. WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE GET THIS STUFF? 😩



I don't feel as my parents FORCED me to get circumcised. Only those brainwashed with the idea from outer influences feel that way. If that thought weren't put out there, no one would ever think such a strange thing.

You peel the skin back to reveal the soft, luscious, sweet protected innards which you gobble on. Delicious.

Now I want you to magine a peeled banana with the fruit exposed for years. You're now eating shrivelled dried up leathery fruit instead.
 
You peel the skin back to reveal the soft, luscious, sweet protected innards which you gobble on. Delicious.

Now I want you to magine a peeled banana with the fruit exposed for years. You're now eating shrivelled dried up leathery fruit instead.

Are you really told that circumcised penises are shrivelled dried up and leathery? LOL.

Go watch some porn you will see plenty of cut guys and their dicks operate at peak efficiency.
 
Im of two minds on this.

On the one hand, sorry but cutting your new borns dick because bronze age sheepherder god has some baby dick fetish makes you dumb as dirt.

On the other hand this not anything like female genital mutilation, which some people here are trying desperately to equate it to.

In developed countries with modern medicine its a safe procedure that does not appear to impede sexual pleasure or cause many other issues if any.

So meh.
 
If people got to decide for themselves there would be NO RELIGION. This is one of the methods to passively control you. Only people who have been circumcised seem to stick up for it - why could that be? I mean i was beaten as child it did me no harm!!!

So the issue is the Jewish relegion then (or muslim one). Great to compare being Jewish to being beaten.

Thats what it seems to come down to, stop the circumcisions and stop the Jews (and muslims). Since you know the whole covenant thing is pretty big deal for us Jews.

If this was a big issues for Jews there would be huge revolts in the community and its something that would be debated on. Something Jews like to do is talk and debate. You may notice that Jews are often very politically active in various causes.

But ya all Jews are just brainwashed and controlled and its all because of that little tiny piece of foreskin.
 
Are you really told that circumcised penises are shrivelled dried up and leathery? LOL.

Go watch some porn you will see plenty of cut guys and their dicks operate at peak efficiency.

Keratinization of the glands when circumscised happens. You know when the penis glands turn into something more akin to a hoof than a soft and extremely sensitive part of your body.
 
No one has a hard anything on their penis. Stop spouting nonsense. It doesn't help when literally any man can look down in their pants and tell you NO ITS NOT.
 
No one has a hard anything on their penis. Stop spouting nonsense. It doesn't help when literally any man can look down in their pants and tell you NO ITS NOT.

Or can go watch porn on all the free tube sites and see all the porn stars that are cut with normal dicks banging chicks like there is no tomorrow.

It isn't the 1920's anymore where the only dick you would see is your own so you can make wild outlandish stories about how cut people have half a dick that is like a dried prune that doesn't function LOL.
 
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