That was the case for the first two Raimi movies as well with the bridge and train scenes. And if you want to know more about how those scenes were impactful, you need to look no further than MovieBob's Really That Good episode of the first two Spiderman movies. This bit in particular. It takes a while to get to the scenes described, but I feel the full context is important.
What now? Lol
In a way, I can see where you're going in regards to the whole humanising of Spidey. Seeing Spidey as just a kid from Queens helped the regular folks to stand up against Ock if they want to get to him. And like I said, as an individual scene, that ASM mask bit is a good scene. It's just that despite you stating the train scene having no pay off, it wasn't undercut by something worse later on.
Despite my disagreements with what you said regarding Man of Steel, I agree. The only good one in the entire series is First Class. They're just mediocre movies that only have a few good bits keeping it from actually turning bad.
How so?
Regardless of the arms, they weren't something that harmed the train scene. They're wholly independent of that moment.
I don't really consider what you said to be a particular dealbreaker. Such a thing never really crossed my mind in the many times I viewed the movie. It seems to be a minor nitpick, so could you further elaborate?
It's too big for him. Give him a Constantine or Swamp Thing solo film.
I don't know. I liked the fact that he managed to talk Ock out of being a bad guy and proceed to redeem himself. I think that spoke more of Parker's intellect than simply assembling a pair of webshooters would if he would be able to negotiate him into realising that the reactor just isn't worth it. Hell, you could argue that him taking off the mask in front of Ock was similar to the train passengers being more empathetical towards Pete as a result of his face being shown, but I don't think that moment calls back to it to really justify that.
I didn't know Spock was in Civil War.
He doesn't talk him out of being a bad guy, he gave him shock therapy quite literally. But you're also pointing to the fact that Spider-Man talked Ock into killing himself! Imagine if batfleck did that to mr. Freeze.
Ehhh, he was still hesitant to shut the whole thing down for a bit after that shock. Plus, he didn't talk him into killing himself to stop the thing, he chose to go on his own volition after very briefly telling Pete to drown the reactor. It's too much of a leap in logic if you're suggesting that Parker is the one to convinced Ock to kill himself to stop the damned thing, especially considering that the last thing he said to him was if there was a way to shut down the reactor.
Because lunkhead didn't stop to think for one second. Could've easily said shocking doc short circuited the machine so they have a few seconds. Would've had time to think and go through things, nope, he does something usually reserved for a sidekick.
Drink some coffee, and go in knowing the movie wants you to think about the relationship between Nick nolte and the Hulk/mutant dogs. The hulk stares at moss in this movie, it's not at all supposed to be a regular popcorn flick.
