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Dunno why this needs an explanation beyond the doctor saying they received electro massages.
Venom is not really skinny, and is back to form after the ship voyage to afghanistan
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Dunno why this needs an explanation beyond the doctor saying they received electro massages.
Venom is not really skinny, and is back to form after the ship voyage to afghanistan
Did you just compare TPP to Moby Dick?
TPP references Moby Dick, but that's where the worth in comparing the two works ends.
Because if that were it Big Boss (Ishmael) and Medic Boss would physically look the same.
I think I'm having a hard time seeing your point because Ishmael didn't really look buff to me. Medic did look a bit skinny, though.
Maybe your issue should be more with how the characters were modeled, because in terms of the narrative it's explained.
It's not that he didnt understand, it's that he was conflicted. He understood it, he just couldn't stand by it. It took him 10 years to reach this conclusion. Big Boss would have to go against The Boss's loyalties to start outer heaven in the first place.
No. I was explaining to the other person what the article was about. The article was about how critics hated Moby-Dick when it came out. No one knows how any piece of work will be viewed down the road. Things that are hated sometimes end up loved by future generations, and things that are loved sometimes end up hated.
I'm not suggesting TPP is similar to Moby-Dick. They're completely different stories aside from loose thematic elements such as the folly of revenge.
The ending of "Of Mine and Men" left me legit shook :-(
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I'm not saying you're a pleb or equal to short sighted 18th century literary critics but that's the level Kojima works on okay? Shoulder to shoulder with THE GREATS.
Lord of the Flies was immediately praised upon release which is why it isn't referenced as much, KojiPro knew what they were doing.
That assumes they had the same muscle mass to begin with; chances are Medic, even as the best soldier MSF had, had not the same build as Big Boss.
Eventually Venom grows into it by doing every important mission in Diamond Dogs.
Ishmael is as buff as Big Boss would usually be. Medic Boss isn't.
So something went on. Ishamel must have done some training, because that's what it takes for Medic Boss to get a similar build. They were both in comas for about the same amount of time. They'll have both lost a similar amount of weight and muscle mass.
So my point is, within the game, it seemed like Big Boss was just in bed while Ishamel was. But he must have gotten up and trained. Which makes me wonder 'Well, if you were awake, up and training why not bring a gun, or wear some armour, or wear combat fatigues, or something".
I assume Ocelot was on his way to arm Big Boss, but XOF arrived first.
I'm not convinced about the muscle mass difference being an issue, but I 100% agree that BB should've been better prepared. The truth tapes show that he had an idea Skull Face was coming.
While I love this game's story and feel it works well on multiple levels, there are a few things that strain my believability. One of which is the moment where BB insists on playing dead among the bodies. That seemed like a really stupid idea, and if it weren't for the Man on Fire showing up when he did, Venom would've been killed.
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That's not necessarily true; the man on fire had already closed one of the escape routes Ishmael wanted to take.
We don't know if that route would have saved them with more ease, but the presence of the Man on Fire hurt Ishmael's escape plan more than it helped. They are helped by him once, and have to stop him like three times. They not necessarily would have ended pretending to be dead. Probably the escape would not have come to that.
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The Phantom Pain,,, the citizen Kane of video games... nay! Better!
Yeah, it's hard to say. I was kind of wary of the elevator idea, though I think one of the first things a group like XOF would do is stop the elevators. Or at least secure the lobby where the elevator arrives.
All of that stuff was unnecessarily introduced by PW, which is kind of my point. MGS3's ending implied something completely different than what we were given in the sequels. The most powerful scene in the series (the teary salute) is cheapened with the introduction of the "BB didn't actually understand and it took him 10 years to finally realize he didn't agree with the Boss and so rejected her" storyline.
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The trouble is that so much of the controversy around this game feels oddly apposite.
Is it really just coincidence that people are agonizing over what's missing from a game subtitled "The Phantom Pain"? That the most elusive hidden element in the game is a caption card for Chapter 3: Peace whilst the premise of everything leading up to that point is endless war?
It feels deliberate, designed even. It all fits too neatly thematically.
Agreed. Although I wonder if BB would've just improvised if MoF didn't arrive. Go into reflex mode and sweep one of the guards by the legs, grabbing his gun mid-air and shooting it while breakdancing to kill everyone else.
...fuck, why didn't that happen
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I am not sure what the plan was. They might even have survived without the man on fire! both groups of soldiers stop killing people when they get to the BBosses, and just go thumbs up at each other. THEN the Man on Fire appears. Maybe the whole plastic bag of liquid leaking like pee was preparing for breakdancing CQC. Dunno what the hell was that about.
It's weird.
Dis you not miss the sequel where it turned out the whale was a former xof medic named solid snake, Ans that the real whale was in zanzibar creai g outer heaven
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I think you're giving Kojima way more credit than he deserves here.
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Without doubt.
Perhaps that teary salute was more an act of love and thinking he understood.
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Nope, Star Wars prequels didn't cut chapter 3.
Skull face does not influence Liquid at all, even if you don't count Ep 51 as canon, Liquid is already a demon, the AI plan was already in motion and the parasites / sally gear threats are erased by Diamond Dogs.
You see the whole thing (the plot) working, I see a lot of things broken because I was ok with them being "broken" in the first place.
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But all forms of Johnny were fine up till 4.
akidnamededdy
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Him or Monkey in a Diaper.
You don't keep a monkey around without a diaper.
orthodoxy1095
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This is a stupid comparison. Straight up. Critics hated Moby Dick because it was misprinted and missing a vital piece of the book. Where is the similarity to TPP?
No. Johnny has always been ace.
100% this.
Wait a minute.
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
That amazing bridge to the sequels that never was
I see what ya did there, Kojima!
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The OST for this game is so amazing, I'm especially fond of "V Has Come To"
akidnamededdy
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Eh, the body double wasn't really created to resolve that plot hole (especially since it wasn't a plot hole in the first place). It's the other way around--Kojima created the body double for MGSV for the purpose of his ham-fisted and entirely too literal "you were Big Boss all along, thanks for playing!" message, but since he couldn't just leave two Big Bosses running around mucking up the continuity, he looked for the easiest way to kill Venom as early as possible (canonically speaking).
I wasn't comparing them. I was saying impressions change, for better or worse, with all creative works. I have no idea if history will be favorable to TPP or any game, movie or TV show.
If that's the case, then I misunderstood. I'm sure there are better examples to pick where something is praised at release and diminishes over time, or vice-versa.
And again: I'm not saying anything will or won't happen with TPP. I don't know.
All we know is our own opinions, and that's groovy.
It wasn't Kojima's idea, he wanted a complete game. Konami saw the thematic possibilities and forced their company apart in an act of true sacrifice. They threw away everything, their company, their honor, even their greatest protege to have their memory tarnished as a traitor who betrayed gamers. All in the service of a metanarrative on a scale that had never been seen before. Kojima was never the genius, it was Konami all along. The real hero. The true patriot.
Really...? I mean, I won't say you are wrong, but I feel like this is the very first and only mainline Metal Gear game where I can just remember 2 or 3 tunes of the entire soundtrack.... =(
I couldn't find a single theme that even matched the awesomeness of "Outer Heaven" from the Peace Walker OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7o7-5Qh5Vs
Dat tune at minute 3:25 screamed "Outer Heaven" to me more than the entire soundtrack of MGSV.
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Agree, a shame though that most of the musics don't have the chance to be like this INGAME : V has come to, we don't hear it like this in the game and one of my favourites, A Phantom Pain, is... just a tape, that really hurts.
You can't put the two side by side, imply a similarity of reception - even using "fanboy" - , and then coyly say "I'm not comparing I'm just wondering." Dude, you are. And no, in no way, shape, or form is MGS V comparable to Moby Dick.
Even in this critical reception, since MGS V is currently one of the highest rated games this generation. Critical, public reception is almost entirely positive.
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