Sure, but Kyon is still obviously the protagonist even from just watching the first season. So I'm still wondering what you believe the story of Haruhi is.
On the first day of high school a beautiful girl named Haruhi Suzumiya introduces herself as having "no interest in ordinary humans". She asks for any aliens, time travelers, sliders or espers to join her. Watching her weird behaviour is Kyon who sits in front of Haruhi and is the only person who talks to her. When Kyon comments about Haruhi's joining every club in school and then quitting he unwittingly gives Haruhi an idea to start her own after school club. Thereafter Kyon and several others find themselves dragged, literally, into the Save our world by Overloading it with fun Suzumiya Haruhi's Brigade (the S.O.S. Brigade for short).
Man, I wish I could participate in this Haruhi discussion, but I have neither the analysis capability nor eloquence to match up to what's already been said.
That, and the last time I watched the TV series was around when it aired. So I've forgotten a fair bit of the details.
Well from what I have seen of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Kyon seems to just be more of the eyes and ears for the audience then being a vocal point of the show. And also the cynical narrator. When fight scenes happen he stands off to the side observing. When supporting characters tell him to just make Haruhi happy, he merely listens. When Haruhi wants to do something, Kyon's descending opinion falls on deaf ears. He feels more like a vehicle for the audience in order to experience all the crazy, then someone who is an integral part of the plot.
Yoda was an antagonist.Under one definition:
Protagonist - The character that changes from the plot of the story.
Antagonist - The character that provokes this change.
Look, Melancholy has faded somewhat from my eyes in the last few years in terms of how good I think it is and all that stuff, but it's very difficult for me to believe that you could even possibly view it in such a way without realising that Kyon is the main protagonist and that it's him and his choices that largely drive the plot. Certainly he doesn't view himself as the protagonist, and he attempts to live his life as though he wasn't one, but he really can't escape it.
I think your definiton of protagonist greatly differs from what is established. Going by your way of thinking, Tidus was not the protagonist of FFX but a follower of what's her face. Importance to the universe=/= protagonist. You're not being stubborn, it's just weird to see somebody who views the show so differently. It feels almost like one of those blog posts discussing how all these recent disney movies are connected in the disneyverse.
I didn't say he's not the protagonist. That's not what I've been arguing. My two main points I've been arguing is his importance to the overall story and what he does besides just complaining about Haruhi. I don't think anyone can argue he's not the protagonist as he's literally the character we follow around the entire time and he's the narrator. Much like Titus as you've explained Woofington. Difference being that Titus was a more mild Haruhi and actually affected outcomes and fought mosters. Kyon mostly sits on the sidelines and observes (being that he's the eyes of the audience).
I didn't say he's not the protagonist. That's not what I've been arguing. My two main points I've been arguing is his importance to the overall story and what he does besides just complaining about Haruhi. I don't think anyone can argue he's not the protagonist as he's literally the character we follow around the entire time and he's the narrator. Much like Titus as you've explained Woofington. Difference being that Titus was a more mild Haruhi and actually affected outcomes and fought mosters. Kyon mostly sits on the sidelines and observes (being that he's the eyes of the audience).
He is the story. That's his importance to it; it's his story. It's not, despite the title, Haruhi's story. It's not Itsuki's story, it's not Mikuru's story, it's not Yuki's story. It's Kyon's story. It's how the events affect him, and how he affects the events.
I guess I'm still confused by what you think the "overall story" is, because I don't understand how you can separate the protagonist from the story. The definition of a protagonist is the character who plays the primary role in a narrative.
It is possible for the narrator of a story to not be the protagonist, and that seems to be how you're describing Kyon, except you also say that "I don't think anyone can argue he's not the protagonist." So I'm not sure which it is. If you think Kyon does nothing but sit on the sidelines and observe than he cannot possibly be the protagonist.
We will have to agree to disagree on this for now (at least until The Disappearance). The story and world literally revolve around Haruhi Suzumiya. Despite the show focusing on Kyon, it's about Haruhi at the end of the day. She's the title character. At the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that I think, so far, he affects very little in the plot and that he's a jerk to pretty much everyone except Mikuru.
We will have to agree to disagree on this for now (at least until The Disappearance). The story and world literally revolve around Haruhi Suzumiya. Despite the show focusing on Kyon, it's about Haruhi at the end of the day. She's the title character. At the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that I think, so far, he affects very little in the plot and that he's a jerk to pretty much everyone except Mikuru.
Or rather about Sauron because he's the title character.This is like saying LOTR is about Gandalf because he's the most powerful
This is like saying Harry Potter is about Dumbledore, or LOTR is about Gandalf, or any other show where someone materially affects the world over the heads of the actual protagonist.
To be even more recent, that's like saying Bilbo Baggins isn't the protagonist of the Hobbit because he's following everybody else and their journey and he's just part of the crew.
To be even more recent, that's like saying Bilbo Baggins isn't the protagonist of the Hobbit because he's following everybody else and their journey and he's just part of the crew. Sounds to me like you want the story to be about something else, dislike Kyon, and somehow you're subconsciously lowering his importance because you like everybody else more and you're therefore convincing yourself he's not important but an asshole.
I can just as easily say that most just have a blind love for Kyon and make him out to be more important then he actually is.
So you're saying PshycoNinja is actually Peter Jackson?
this is like :kayos but the person who is :kayos does not realise they are :kayos.
Speaking of which, has anyone seen kayos recently?
his last visit here had him claiming there was no love for brown elves in his heart.
his last visit here had him claiming there was no love for brown elves in his heart.
dead to me
Just curious, but would anyone here be excited for a second season of Watamote? And how likely would that be?
Just curious, but would anyone here be excited for a second season of Watamote? And how likely would that be?
Just curious, but would anyone here be excited for a second season of Watamote? And how likely would that be?
Just curious, but would anyone here be excited for a second season of Watamote? And how likely would that be?
I would love to, but the first season isn't getting enough success its seem.
Appropriate, I guess.
Appropriate, I guess.
I didn't even bother with Watamote based on what everybody told me about it and what I saw from video reviews and discussions. I cringe with awkward shit. Watamote sounds like the Dinner with Schmucks of anime.