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[Psychoward]

Not to reduce a fellow "this looks good" fan's desire to watch something I agree looks cool, but teeeechnically Fuller left like half a year ago, in case you hadn't heard? So it's currently impossible to predict how much of his influence remains here.

Shit.

Well I hated the last half year of Hannibal so maybe that's a good thing lol

 

[Bob Coffee]

That's one of my favorite geekier things about this production. I've always loved the NX class. Great to see the next show bounce ideas off of it. Same with the USS Franklin in Beyond. They're mining NX evolution for all it's worth.

im glad there doing this, wouldn't mind seeing some legit NX refits ala the supposed to be used in season 5 NX enterprise refit show up in discovery, even if they job to the "new" Klingons.

 

[Stumpokapow]

It's utterly hideous. Looks nothing like Klingons lol.

sorry which klingons does it not look like, the next generation ones with forehead ridges or the orange-brown humans with goatees in TOS?

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The real Mass Effect 4.

 

[A-V-B]

The real Mass Effect 4.

Hey, they're only human after all. Don't put the blame on them.

 

[BorkBork]

Trailer's cut really poorly. I still have no idea about this show.

 

[Savitar]

The fact this is in the Prime universe.......does that kinda say something about the future of the franchise? Especially after the failure of the last movie.

 

[Barkley's Justice]

Looks expensive af. Surprised they're sticking to their streaming service approach.

 

[Slayven]

The Klingon and ROmulan empires always seem weird that they seen as one race. Considering that warp capable species was dime a dozen.....

 

[JeffZero]

The Klingon and ROmulan empires always seem weird that they seen as one race. Considering that warp capable species was dime a dozen.....

You mean, like, why don't we see their subject races, too? Yeah, that would have been cool. They're both conqueror peoples, and we know they have other worlds under their control.

 

[Sesuadra]

Looks like the new movies, which..i don't have any feeling neither negative nor positive.

It just is a little strange for me that it's set in the prime universe.

Edit: The technology in the ship looks way more advanced (or let's say high-tech) than TOS or TNG for me ..that's something that really weirds me out.

 

[Sliver]

Hate the visuals and the look of the show. Does every single shot have to be angled slightly?

 

[aliengmr]

Disappointed that they didn't at least try to unify the ship design and really make a mark, design-wise. Just seems a bit "lazy". The Shenzhou is basically a 24th century escort design, and Discovery is just...well, I don't know.

I am no purist and TOS never really hooked me, but actually making an attempt to bridge the 22nd century with the 23rd would have been more interesting than just copy/pasting the Kelvin design and calling it a day.

Between the look and how the show is being run, I still can't find many reasons to actually pay extra to see it. I mean those first 2 shows are going to have to be amazing.

 

[Sojgat]

I still have no strong feelings. Looks... fine.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Hate the visuals and the look of the show. Does every single shot have to be angled slightly?

Trailer reasons. They're trying to hook the ST movie watchers since the normal ST fans will be there anyway.

 

[CorrisD]

I feel like the trailer was a bit of a mess, I'll still watch it regardless, and I wasn't a fan of the music choice. I'll have to watch it again but was the Discoveries thing that it warps or something through ships?

sorry which klingons does it not look like, the next generation ones with forehead ridges or the orange-brown humans with goatees in TOS?

Klingons with ridges aren't TNG, their modern look comes from The Motion Picture, they've been the same design wise since 1979.

 

[- J - D -]

Man it must be really hard to score nu-Trek trailers. First Rihanna, now the song from the Terminator Genysisys trailer.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

So, will I be able to watch this with my cable log in creeentials or will I have to pay additiona?

 

[Gr1mLock]

Sufficiently Trekky.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Looks interesting enough, was worried after they had so many issues actually getting this off the ground. Hopefully the quality is there.

 

[Pluto]

Klingons with ridges aren't TNG, their modern look comes from The Motion Picture, they've been the same design wise since 1979.

This is a TMP klingon:

That is not even close to the TNG look, the klingons have changed more than once (look at The Undiscovered Country for example, those klingons match neither TMP nor TNG), the Discovery klingons are just another variation, put long hair on them and they wouldn't even look that different.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

The Klingon and ROmulan empires always seem weird that they seen as one race. Considering that warp capable species was dime a dozen.....

You mean, like, why don't we see their subject races, too? Yeah, that would have been cool. They're both conqueror peoples, and we know they have other worlds under their control.

This is oddly one of the things that Star Trek Online touches on, though most of the focus is given to the Klingons. True they were all recently absorbed into the Empire post-TNG, but it was at least something vs the implications that the Klingons either just colonised empty worlds, or uh, made them empty first.

Frankly it'd made for an interesting encounter in a Trek episode, and you get into the ever tricky subject of vassals under an Imperial ruler, and the mixed sense of loyalties.

 

[Jackpot]

sorry which klingons does it not look like, the next generation ones with forehead ridges or the orange-brown humans with goatees in TOS?

The Klingons from Enterprise, the TOS movies, TNG, DS9, and Voyager. Y'know, the ones from before, during, and after the time Discovery is set.

 

[RowdyReverb]

Looks like an action-oriented show with a lead protagonist. Not exactly what I was looking for in a Star Trek series, but I'll give it a shot

 

[Hubbl3]

I'll definitely be giving this show a chance. I think it looks great so far!

 

[CharmingCharlie]

Yeahh that trailer did absolutely nothing for me. If anything I am getting "Enterprise" huge fail vibes from this. At this point with the new films and new shows it feels as if the original premise behind Startrek has been lost in favour of "bang, bang, shootie shootie".

It is all immaterial anyway not being in the US means I won't be able to access CBS's app and I will be damned if I am paying for Netflix just for this. Since Netflix funded this it is unlikely to ever be shown on "normal" TV. I really think this STD (erm unfortunate Acronym) could be another nail in the coffin of Startrek.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I'm in.

 

[lightskintwin]

Never watched any of the Star Trek shows, but this looks alright. May have to check it out if it gets decent reviews.

 

[nubbe]

Looks great

and also always relevant
Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Show As 'Fun, Watchable'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM

 

[Hubbl3]

Looks great

and also always relevant
Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Show As 'Fun, Watchable'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM

I don't know how I've never seen that video, but it's perfect.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

That's unfortunate. I would have enjoyed speaking with you about it if we watched it together. I hope this doesn't get cancelled; I intend to enjoy it, if it's good.

I'm just sour on this whole endeavor. First, it's a prequel instead of setting it in the late 25th century or after to give a timeskip to avoid talking about older shows too much and to give a reason for the tech to look so advanced and shiny. Second, they seen to be trying to sell it as an action show, which isn't Trek for me. Third, the disregard for canon really annoys me. Fourth, I'm not a fan of TOS. Fifth, it's stuck behind that stupid ass paywall CBS All Access crap.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

Looks great

and also always relevant
Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Show As 'Fun, Watchable'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM

I forgot all about this. Still great.

 

[JeffZero]

I'm just sour on this whole endeavor. First, it's a prequel instead of setting it in the late 25th century or after to give a timeskip to avoid talking about older shows too much and to give a reason for the tech to look so advanced and shiny. Second, they seen to be trying to sell it as an action show, which isn't Trek for me. Third, the disregard for canon really annoys me. Fourth, I'm not a fan of TOS. Fifth, it's stuck behind that stupid ass paywall CBS All Access crap.

Yeah, I understand. I'd have preferred a timeskip, too. I think Star Trek is a rich enough fictional universe that it could have had tons of reasonable nods to previous content -- including TOS, which is what CBS is obsessing over because they know it's the most recognizable portion! -- without going the prequel route. I was a little let down when the timeframe was announced, but I wasn't surprised. Like I said, TOS sells. "Star Trek? With Kirk and Spock. And Bones. And Beam Me Up Scotty, and Khaaaaaaan. That's the only Star Trek I know. Oh, this is tied to that? I might watch it, then." It's kind of crazy given that TOS is 51, but I bet you that's a reaction thousands of young people have made here, too.

(Although, bit of a rabbit trail, but I don't believe the "TOS is all I know" contingent is QUITE as big as CBS probably believes. Netflix viewership on all five shows has been great over the years, and I am almost positive DS9 is more popular in 2017 than it was in 1997 as a result. People love, love, love to talk DS9. Nevermind TNG for that matter, which has become the M*A*S*H of infinite syndication sci-fi.)

 

[wesleyshark]

sorry which klingons does it not look like, the next generation ones with forehead ridges or the orange-brown humans with goatees in TOS?

They don't look anything like the more familiar designs that they've had since the motion picture and after. Seems like a silly and unnecessary change.

 

[JeffZero]

TrekCore has broken down the trailer and posted over 250 screencaps.

The breakdown actually goes into a great detail of supposition detail, much of which TrekCore feels fairly confident in. Having read it, I do as well. It's pretty likely there are some spoilers in there about the first two episodes.

 

[CorrisD]

This is a TMP klingon:

That is not even close to the TNG look, the klingons have changed more than once (look at The Undiscovered Country for example, those klingons match neither TMP nor TNG), the Discovery klingons are just another variation, put long hair on them and they wouldn't even look that different.

I'm not really seeing the difference?

Klingons have always had various forehead and nose ridges with different combinations of hairstyles. Makeup and such standards have changed over the years especially as we move into HD. But the visual style of the Klingons we've had throughout since TMP and after has been pretty much the same.

The variations we've seen of Klingons since TMP to me is no different than variations we've seen of the uniforms and style from Starfleet.

Klingons in Discovery to me look closer to Krall from Star Trek Beyond than the Klingons we've had for years.

 

[Random Human]

Not to reduce a fellow "this looks good" fan's desire to watch something I agree looks cool, but teeeechnically Fuller left like half a year ago, in case you hadn't heard? So it's currently impossible to predict how much of his influence remains here.

WHAT! I had no idea Fuller left, he was like the main reason I was excited about this.

 

[PK Strawstorm]

Star Trek is made for me in the quality of the characters and philosophy, not the action, so this trailer does minimal for me, but you can't really do a trailer (esp. a ComicCon trailer) for something like TNG's "The Inner Light" that is just a beautiful, almost no action short story.

So basically I still have no idea what this will be. CBS (aka the network of the lowest common denominator) and the trend towards pure action in the movies (albeit the movies always trend towards action) make me extremely pessimistic, but I hope to hear good things once they escape the early episode tedium of explosions and world-building.

 

[DBT85]

Personally, from TMP in 1979 until 2005 with Enterprise ended, Klingons had a generally consistent appearance. Considering that that spanned 26 years, 624 episodes and 436 hours (most of which had a Klingon as crew to boot) and 9 films (I can't recall any Klingons in Khan), I don't think its surprising that people are a bit miffed at the change, first in Darkness and now again in Discovery.

However I will add this. Who knows where these new dudes are from.

Whatever, I'm watching it. It's just a bit jarring. Far more so for me than the show having "the Kelvin look" which just seems like a progression of the medium. I realise that if one is ok then why aren't both, but its what I think! But then I enjoy the new films, the old films, and old shows. So I'm weird.


An illustrated guide to The Klingons through the years
TOS - 1967

The Motion Picture - 1979

Search for Spock - 1984

Voyage Home - 1986

TNG - 1987

Final Frontier - 1989

Undiscovered country - 1991

DS9 - 1995-2000 (probably my 2 faves as well)

Enterprise - 2001

Enterprise with the "Augment Virus"

Into Darkness - 2013

Discovery - 2017

 

[Not]

Looks cool, looks like it has a budget.

I just think it should be toned down a little. Star Trek should be less about action scenes and more about speculative sci-fi and theoretical morality. As well as a really dynamite ensemble.

Hope they have that and they just put all the boom boom stuff in this trailer.

 

[nubbe]

I like the new Klingon.
They are more bald aliens than bald humans

 

[Not]

Man, I wish Fuller never left. He probably understood something core about Star Trek that Kurtzman will never understand.

Bummed now. I forgot the genius behind The Mummy had taken this project over.

 

[JeffZero]

A bunch of cast/crew snippets.

From Alex Kurtzman:

First and foremost, the defining factor of Roddenberry's vision is the optimistic view of the future. He envisioned a world where all species, all races came together to not only make our world better, but to make every world better. I think that is something that can never be lost in Trek. Once you lose that, you lose the essence of what Star Trek is.

That being said...we live in very different times. Every day we look at the news and it is hard. It is hard to see what we see. I think now more than ever Trek is needed as a reminder of what we can be and the best of who we can be. Star Trek has always been a mirror to the time it reflected and right now the idea that – the question is how do you preserve and protect what Starfleet is in the weight of challenge like war and the things that have to be done in war is a very interesting and dramatic problem. And it feels like a very topical one given the world where where we live now.

You know about the Bechdel Test? How many times have you seen in television or a movie in which two women come together and talk about a guy? I am not saying they never talk about guys when women are together in this show. It's not that we are trying to make a statement or not make a statement, that is not the focus of what we are doing. They are dealing with real problems in the middle of a war and so I think Roddenberry's greatest contribution to race relations is that he never addressed them. It just was. And that is exactly what we are doing.

From Rainn Wilson:

It is incredible to play Harry Mudd...I grew up watching the show. Let's remember this particular universe is a particular dark time for the Federation and for Starfleet with this war happening, so I don't think it would be appropriate in the universe to have as many jolly wackadoo episodes that were often in The Original Series and The Next Generation because – and that is one of the wonderful things about Star Trek is that you could have some episodes that were almost comedies.

This Harry Mudd is kind of a reimagining, a reinvention in the same way so many things have been reimagined and reinvented. He's a bit more dastardly than the original. But that character made such an impression on me and it is a dream come true to try to bring him to life with as much drama and comedy as possible.

I know I am a mere supporting character, but I will say that I grew up watching the original series. At age five or six I started watching it on re-runs after school. I started building models of the Enterprise. I had books. I memorized where everything was in the ship.

To go on the ship and then I got to in my episode – without giving anything away – I got to use the transporter room! I got to be transported and I got to use a phaser and got to sit in the captain's chair a little bit. Just iconic creations from Gene Roddenberry and his original staff and to get to relive those as an adult fan was just one of my greatest life experiences.

From Sonequa Martin-Green:

I feel that storytelling is such a champion in our world and our society. It does so much for us. It shapes us and changes us and enlightens us. I think going from a show where the storytelling is so rich and so dynamic to another show where the storytelling is so rich and so dynamic and there is such a stellar group of people here and everyone else who isn't hear. I just feel that all high quality stories are gritty because life is gritty. So in that way I don't see that much difference.

It is a different backdrop for sure. I think the complexities of the story and the dynamics of the relationship I think – one of my favorites that we explore on the show which is a acculturation and how when that happens it doesn't have to mean assimilation. That's really one of the pillars of Star Trek and what it teaches is that we don't have to let go of who we are in order to learn who you are. We can do it at the same time. That is something touched on in The Walking Dead and it is touched on here in such a unique and in a way that I think honors the legacy, but also carries it to the next level.

I certainly stand on Nichelle's shoulders. I think all of us stand on the shoulders of the innovation that has been in the Star Trek canon up to now. All the progression, and now this is really a story of universality, this is a story of coming together and understanding that we are all one with all life. I don't know if I could put it into words. I feel like if I try I could cry and it would get really messy up here...It's such an honor and privilege to be a part of a story that I truly believe that is going to bring people together.

From Akiva Goldsman:

I think we are acutely aware of the legacy of the show and what is unique about this – dare I say ‘enterprise' – is there is so much love for the history that comes before us. We talked before about how Star Trek is about family. The creation of this version of Star Trek has also become about family and that seems fitting and correct. Unlike virtually anything I have ever been a part of, there is no whimsy to anyone's commitment. There is an awareness and a pump to getting to be the next holder of this baton as we pass it down the road. It is pretty startling privilege that I don't think any of us take lightly

What we are committed to is a real fractal version of the universe that diversity has become too easy of a word. We are committed to complexity and the differences in cultures and differences in biology and in preference and inclusions, these are the principles that Star Trek was founded on. So we chase those. We chase the idea that our arms are as wide as arms can be and that the show's mission is to be inclusive. So we are very, very purposeful about that and you will see as we move forward that that's by no means an accident.

We got the chance to do something pretty unprecedented with Star Trek which is to be serialized. The fact is that not only have the lines been blurred between movies and TV they have almost inverted now...Television has become long-form. It has become deep, extended, complex narrative. What we get to do – because the culture of television watching no longer requires episodic resets – is to take characters on journeys in the same way that the ship took journeys over the course of the original series.

From Jason Isaacs:

The original stories in the 60s were told at a time of enormous turmoil with the civil rights movement. And we all wanted a vision of the future and Gene Roddenberry created a future where people have found a solution to the divisions between people at a time when the outside world seems to be be getting more divisive and more backwards. So for me the gadgets are fun and the sets are great and I am sure we are going to have all the whizbang stuff you can ever wish for, but what counts is what we're putting out there, and what we're showing the next generations of what we could become as a planet instead of what we might become.

From Anthony Rapp:

I am a scientist with a weird field of study which is astromicrology and that has some interesting ramifications. So yes there are some new things to explore because there are space fungus and mushrooms.

Watching what has come before us has been so profoundly inspiring. I believe Leonard Nimoy is an icon, and not just because he plays this character, but because he was an incredible actor, bringing this character to life, and showed us all the layers...of Spock. So if we do become icons, if that is true it would be weird and cool, I hope it is because we are standing on the shoulders of what came before us.

From James Frain:

It is an honor. It is a responsibility. It is a challenge. The writers create the character so we deliver a version of what they do. I think what the writers are doing with this character and really with all storylines is so interesting and so complex and revealing that it is just a joy to work on. So I don't feel troubled too much by that.

From Doug Jones:

I rank third in command on the bridge on the starship Shenzhou, so when first officer Michael Burnham and Captain Georgiou, played by the lovely Michelle Yeoh, we have a conference off in the captain's ready room, and I was the next one to sit in the chair...and I wasn't expecting it, so I'm like, ”I get to put my ass in that?"

Even more at the link, including some thoughts on Jonathan Frakes' directing and... singing... style.

 

[JeffZero]

Man, I wish Fuller never left. He probably understood something core about Star Trek that Kurtzman will never understand.

Bummed now. I forgot the genius behind The Mummy had taken this project over.

Kurtzman isn't the showrunner. He's an EP, and he was always attached to this project. Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg, both of whom worked closely with Fuller on Pushing Daisies, are the showrunners.

 

[CD93]

Looks expensive af. Surprised they're sticking to their streaming service approach.

That Netflix money.

 

[Not]

Kurtzman isn't the showrunner. He's an EP, and he was always attached to this project. Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg, both of whom worked closely with Fuller on Pushing Daisies, are the showrunners.

They why is he EVERYWHERE

I wanna hear from the showrunners

That Netflix money.

It's CBS All-Access

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

It's CBS All-Access

Netflix bankrolled this with the international deal.

 

[JeffZero]

They why is he EVERYWHERE

I wanna hear from the showrunners

They've been reasonably prolific in recent months, but kind of quiet for SDCC. Probably because 10 episodes are down and there are 5 more to go, and that's just shooting; tons of post-production involved.

 

[Not]

Netflix bankrolled this with the international deal.

Oh

Yeah then. Makes sense why it looks so good

 

[JeffZero]

Interview with Shazad Latif:

TREKCORE: Thank you very much for talking to us. Just interested to learn about your character, Lietenant Tyler.
LATIF: So I play Lieutenant Tyler, he’s a Starfleet officer. We meet him as a P.O.W. in a prison cell.
TREKCORE: A P.O.W.!
LATIF: Prisoner of war.
TREKCORE: Okay, yeah.
LATIF: He’s gone through some horrible things and we follow him as he as he tries to find the sort of man that he is as he comes back to the ship and that’s about as much as I can say!
TREKCORE: That’s quite a lot, actually – quite a lot! You were originally cast as one of the Klingons.
LATIF: Yeah, so I arrived in Toronto where we started to get the scripts in early for rehearsal, and this character of Tyler was open, and the producers said, “Would you like to try out for this?” and I went, “Yes!” It’s a great looking part. So we did that, and it worked out, and it was a good [fit].
TREKCORE: And what’s your position on board?
LATIF: I’m a security officer.
TREKCORE: Security officer, oh well we look forward to learning more about you, and thank you so much for talking to us!

This is very much new information. These are the first concrete details we've heard on the Tyler character.