Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Official Teaser Trailer #2

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Nightengale said:
Personally, the only minor nitpick I could see with O66 was the failure of the Jedis to sense it at all, but that could easily be chalked up to the fact that the Force isn't omnipotent, and that the clones, by and large, were just following orders without any sense of right/wrong.
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It's like you said. They didn't even know Palpatine was a Sith because they were flawed and arrogant and supposedly Palpatine had some kind of dark side shroud thingy going on. The clones were just following orders and had no idea themselves what they were about to do which is why the Jedi couldn't sense what they were about to do.
 
zoukka said:
Slow dudes for someone who can deflect lasers.
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I just watched the scene again on youtube, stand corrected, they do get caught by surprise and outnumbered a lot more than I remembered. Yoda senses something and chops their heads off.
 
jelly said:
I just watched the scene again on youtube, stand corrected, they do get caught by surprise and outnumbered a lot more than I remembered. Yoda senses something and chops their heads off.
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Interestingly the clones that were going to attack Yoda did that Bond villain thing where they took their time, giving Yoda just enough of a heads up to react lol

My only problem with the scene is when Aalya Secura gets shot and throws her arms up as she's falling in comedic fashion.
 
Not sure what my view is on the fight scenes, I enjoyed the flippy nature of Darth Maul but the fights in 2 and 3 were just overkill, I just hope they bring back the emotion of the fights, to its credit the bit at the end of Phantom where Qui Gon dies and Obi is waiting and then unleashes is genuinely a good little set piece.

Yoda v Dooku on the other hand, eh
 
strafer said:
Is it true that Lucas rarely gave the actors directions?
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He said he casted them for a reason. He wanted their natural intuition of how to approach a scene. He thought he would get much better more varied performances if they had independence to shape the characters.
 
Mr Cola said:
Not sure what my view is on the fight scenes, I enjoyed the flippy nature of Darth Maul but the fights in 2 and 3 were just overkill, I just hope they bring back the emotion of the fights, to its credit the bit at the end of Phantom where Qui Gon dies and Obi is waiting and then unleashes is genuinely a good little set piece.
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To me the prequels were just that opportunity for Jedi and Sith to let loose as they're younger and more energetic so it made sense to me. The context of the characters and times in the originals vs. prequels were very different so I didn't have a problem with it, and it was fun to me to see the more fast paced duels.

Oh and can someone please post that gif of the saber draw in Episode III since nobody seems to understand what that was and we haven't seen it enough yet
 
brandonh83 said:
To me the prequels were just that opportunity for Jedi and Sith to let loose as they're younger and more energetic so it made sense to me. The context of the characters and times in the originals vs. prequels were very different so I didn't have a problem with it, and it was fun to me to see the more fast paced duels.

Oh and can someone please post that gif of the saber draw in Episode III since nobody seems to understand what that was and we haven't seen it enough yet
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What annoyed me mostly about the duels wasnt the pace as much as the utter and horrendous mindset that the characters had that meant "Id rather look stylish then win the fight". There are numerous examples where characters let their guards down to do an extra flip, put themselves in very exploitable positions to look nice and you sit there thinking...you just gave up solid footing and any normal person would stab you and you would die, and these are meant to be the bastions of an art that takes a lifetime to learn and incredible skill, supposedly. I understand you cant have ultra realistic fights because the likelihood is they would be over in seconds but there is a line to be drawn between doing very unique and cool moves and being utterly reckless and prancing around like someone who has no idea that if you lose this fight you will die.
 
So because crazy people were talking about how the Original Trilogy hasn't aged that well I decided to pull out my DVD and watch "A New Hope" for the billionth time and may watch the rest of the trilogy this week. Of course, as I already knew, the movie is still fucking awesome. It fucking amazes me every time just how well done the Death Star Battle is, the shots, the effects, the music, everything is just perfect. And, I'll always love that trench run tracking shot, so genius.

I will take this time to point out MINOR problems I've always had with the movie:

-Ben Kenobi doesn't seem to care that much that Luke's Aunt and Uncle or were just brutally murdered, mostly because of him.
-Luke also doesn't seem to broken up about their murder, in fact he seems more upset about Ben's death, you know the guy he just met a few days ago, as opposed to the aunt and uncle who raised him since birth. In fact, he never mentions them again in the entire trilogy. I guess they must have really been dicks.
-The quickness of Ben telling Luke he needs to be a Jedi and the same quickness at which Luke accepts. Dude, you didn't even know what a Jedi was until 20 minutes ago when Ben gave you like a Cliffnotes version of the whole organization and The Force.
-The Force religion in general. Like, is it widely accepted or dying/suppressed due to the Empire? Luke didn't seem to know shit about it but when he joins up with the Rebel Alliance they are all like "May the Force be with you." How the hell do you guys know about The Force? Ya'll aint Jedis. In fact, Grand Moff Tarkin tells Vader that "You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion." So how can the entire Rebel Alliance be going on about The Force when it's suggested the religion is pretty dead. This point carries over into the prequels as well no one really explains religion to the audience, do regular people "worship" The Force?
-The casualness at which C-3PO dumps those Jawa bodies into the fire. Yeah, he's a robot but it's mostly Ben Kenobi their standing to the side that probably told him to do it. Geez, show a little respect guys.
-The shitness of the Stormtrooper soldiers. And no, I'm not talking about their crap aim I mean that they obviously look like a bunch of extra given some prop weapons and told to act like soldiers or some shit. Now, just look at that recent trailer and you see how all those Stormtroopers and lined up and moving in-sync alongside using proper military tactics and maneuvers. OT Stormtrooper dudes just bumble around as if they aren't in an organized military.
-What the hell is a moisture farmer?! (Shhh don't tell me I'm sure Wookiepedia has an explanation but I don't want the mystery ruined).
 
brandonh83 said:
To me the prequels were just that opportunity for Jedi and Sith to let loose as they're younger and more energetic so it made sense to me. The context of the characters and times in the originals vs. prequels were very different so I didn't have a problem with it, and it was fun to me to see the more fast paced duels.

Oh and can someone please post that gif of the saber draw in Episode III since nobody seems to understand what that was and we haven't seen it enough yet
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It's stupid. That's what it is.

I hope the sabre battles in the new trilogy aren't so pretty and choreographed. I mean, unless it is Luke fighting, the sabre fights should be pretty amateurish as the new jedi aren't going to be well trained yet.
 
Mr Cola said:
What annoyed me mostly about the duels wasnt the pace as much as the utter and horrendous mindset that the characters had that meant "Id rather look stylish then win the fight".
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That's fair. I guess I just have a more carefree attitude toward movies of this style. To me it's kind of like complaining about cars flying through skyscrapers in Furious 7. I don't give one shit about that movie, but that sounds like something that I would find to be shameless fun. It's not realistic and is over-stylized for enjoyment and that's how I feel about Star Wars.

With the originals you had an old guy that was about to knowingly sacrifice himself to help the newb, and another old guy that was crippled as fuck.

foxtrot3d said:
So because crazy people were talking about how the Original Trilogy hasn't aged that well I decided to pull out my DVD and watch "A New Hope" for the billionth time and may watch the rest of the trilogy this week.
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Well, what I was saying was that if clips were released online from them today that they would likely be met with your typical internet hate that other movies like Jurassic World or Batman V Superman are getting from their trailers/clips. The movies definitely hold up. They're fucking amazing. I just don't think that the writing or acting is particularly great and I do think that they'd be ripped apart today.
 
fastford58 said:
It's stupid. That's what it is.

I hope the sabre battles in the new trilogy aren't so pretty and choreographed. I mean, unless it is Luke fighting, the sabre fights should be pretty amateurish as the new jedi aren't going to be well trained yet.
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Exactly, I dont know the lore so its pure guesswork but it feels like there are no jedis in this current world (sans luke), I could be wrong, but we know there is a character who is sith-like and can control a saber, any of the new characters shouldnt be a match for him and that should show to some extent.
 
strafer said:
At least we have these two in this movie so the fight scenes wont suck as much

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I was going to post about this last night but wanted to see if anyone remembered.

[quote="SecretOfEvermore, post: 160737673"]wait what???[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.slashfilm.com/the-raid-star-wars-force-awakens/"]‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ Will Feature Three Actors From ‘The Raid’[/URL]
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foxtrot3d said:
So because crazy people were talking about how the Original Trilogy hasn't aged that well I decided to pull out my DVD and watch "A New Hope" for the billionth time and may watch the rest of the trilogy this week. Of course, as I already knew, the movie is still fucking awesome. It fucking amazes me every time just how well done the Death Star Battle is, the shots, the effects, the music, everything is just perfect. And, I'll always love that trench run tracking shot, so genius.

I will take this time to point out MINOR problems I've always had with the movie:

-Ben Kenobi doesn't seem to care that much that Luke's Aunt and Uncle or were just brutally murdered, mostly because of him.
-Luke also doesn't seem to broken up about their murder, in fact he seems more upset about Ben's death, you know the guy he just met a few days ago, as opposed to the aunt and uncle who raised him since birth. In fact, he never mentions them again in the entire trilogy. I guess they must have really been dicks.
-The quickness of Ben telling Luke he needs to be a Jedi and the same quickness at which Luke accepts. Dude, you didn't even know what a Jedi was until 20 minutes ago when Ben gave you like a Cliffnotes version of the whole organization and The Force.
-The Force religion in general. Like, is it widely accepted or dying/suppressed due to the Empire? Luke didn't seem to know shit about it but when he joins up with the Rebel Alliance they are all like "May the Force be with you." How the hell do you guys know about The Force? Ya'll aint Jedis. In fact, that Grand Moff Tarkin tells Vader that "You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion." So how can the entire Rebel Alliance be going on about The Force when it's suggested the religion is pretty dead. This point carries over into the prequels as well no one really explains religion to the audience, to regular people "worship" The Force?
-The casualness at which C-3PO dumps those Jawa bodies into the fire. Yeah, he's a robot but it's mostly Ben Kenobi their standing to the side that probably told him to do it. Geez, show a little respect guys.
-The shitness of the Stormtrooper soldiers. And no, I'm not talking about their crap aim I mean that they obviously look like a bunch of extra given some prop weapons and told to act like soldiers or some shit. Now, just look at that recent trailer and you see how all those Stormtroopers and lined up and moving in-sync alongside using proper military tactics and maneuvers. OT Stormtrooper dudes just bumble around as if they aren't in an organized military.
-What the hell is a moisture farmer?! (Shhh don't tell me I'm sure Wookiepedia has an explanation but I don't want the mystery ruined).
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Really good points all around. I think every one of them raised my eyebrows.

I think the only one I don't have a problem with is the rebels/use of The Force lingo. Of course within the Empire the Force has become this laughable dead thing not to be spoken of, but it makes sense to me that the rebels know of it and honor it. It's a big part of the past they're yearning to restore.
 
I think the PT really did a number on storm troopers in terms of confusing the rhetoric, again I am not a Star Wars scholar so I dont know if this has been explained but originally the Storm Troopers were clones and cloned off of a very capable human with very capable skills. However as mentioned above in the OT they very clearly come across as drafted and relatively unskilled people, who most likely were drafted from planets that were taken over by the empire. I dont know if something happened between 3 and 4 that wiped out the clone troopers, but to say they are the same is just ludicrous.

Its so much easier to pretend the PT doesnt exist.
 
Best scene of any of the duels in the whole franchise is when Luke snaps in ROTJ and starts pummeling Vader with no real strategy. Just hammering him into submission.

Feels real and packs a huge impact.

Sabre battles in the prequels were so lame in contrast.
 
Mr Cola said:
I think the PT really did a number on storm troopers in terms of confusing the rhetoric, again I am not a Star Wars scholar so I dont know if this has been explained but originally the Storm Troopers were clones and cloned off of a very capable human with very capable skills. However as mentioned above in the OT they very clearly come across as drafted and relatively unskilled people, who most likely were drafted from planets that were taken over by the empire. I dont know if something happened between 3 and 4 that wiped out the clone troopers, but to say they are the same is just ludicrous.

Its so much easier to pretend the PT doesnt exist.
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Stormtroopers were all volunteers.

The clone troopers looked this this by the time of the OT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av8GjpGK98A#t=1m45s
 
A moisture farmer collects water during the night and morning from dew. Where it would otherwise sink into the sand and evaporate before it could be collected. I always thought it was decently self-explanatory as they are on a desert planet.
 
I think the more interesting thing about all of the lightsaber battles in the original trilogy is that they were almost always between two people who did not want to fight each other. Luke barely knows how to fight so all of his moves are defensive, and even Vader never really goes all in because he seems conflicted about fighting his own son. You can really see this in ROTJ.

And yes, Luke snapping is still the best part of any lightsaber fight.

Anyway, I'm not sure how they'll handle the Lightsaber fights in this one. It's arguable that no one really knows how to use them anymore. Unless the ghosts continued Luke's training after Yoda died, he's still fairly inexperienced. I expect all of the fights to be pretty grungy affairs, which is a good thing. Makes sense too, given the fight choreographer.
 
DSN2K said:
is that staff thing shes holding a subtle hint that her final Jedi form will wield a duel lightsaber ?
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Maybe we're getting the introduction of something like vibroswords from KOTOR.

Slime said:
Stormtroopers were all volunteers.

The clone troopers looked this this by the time of the OT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av8GjpGK98A#t=1m45s
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I still don't get the logic as to how human troops are superior to droids. The ones in TPM seemed more or less comparable to the OT troops, and you don't have to feed or pay them.
 
Lunar15 said:
I think the more interesting thing about all of the lightsaber battles in the original trilogy is that they were almost always between two people who did not want to fight each other. Luke barely knows how to fight so all of his moves are defensive, and even Vader never really goes all in because he seems conflicted about fighting his own son. You can really see this in ROTJ.

And yes, Luke snapping is still the best part of any lightsaber fight.

Anyway, I'm not sure how they'll handle the Lightsaber fights in this one. It's arguable that no one really knows how to use them anymore. Unless the ghosts continued Luke's training after Yoda died, he's still fairly inexperienced. I expect all of the fights to be pretty grungy affairs, which is a good thing. Makes sense too, given the fight choreographer.
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Its definitely an interesting thing to think about, all we know so far is that Kylo has a lightsaber and has been seen thrusting it and also possesses some form of force power (though if you wanted to throw a real curveball maybe he doesnt and that scene ends with him putting up his hand to nothing happening). I thought it would be an interesting idea if he wasnt actually attuned to the force but a skilled fighter, maybe an acolyte or devotee of the arts but not someone who can tap into it.

The real question is where has he learned his skills?
 
I do hope we get some nice lightsabers fights.

With less this...

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More... I don't know, actors from The Raid are in this movie, so more of THAT' I guess.
 
BY2K said:
I do hope we get some nice lightsabers fights.

With less this...

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More... I don't know, actors from The Raid are in this movie, so more of THAT' I guess.
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BocoDragon said:
I think the only one I don't have a problem with is the rebels/use of The Force lingo. Of course within the Empire the Force has become this laughable dead thing not to be spoken of, but it makes sense to me that the rebels know of it and honor it. It's a big part of the past they're yearning to restore.
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Yeah, it's not like the Force disappeared. The Jedi order did. They're living in a world where a thing exists that you can't talk about in public because if you come out as force sensitive, the Emperor doesn't want you trying to restore the Jedi Order and the Sith only want two people at a time on their end of things. Force wielders other than Palpatine and Vader are basically not welcome in this galaxy. However, a band of freedom fighters who are already bucking the system would have no issue using something like the Force as a symbol of the things they're fighting to restore.
 
I feel like Episode 1 had the right balance in terms of having that flashy style without being overboard with some aspects of it like in II/III where Anakin felt like he was showboating against Dooku, and the excessive set-piece moments in Obi-wan vs Vader.

I liked the last segment of Obi-wan/Maul, where the pace of the battle changed from the more acrobatic, softer approach to Obi-wan's rage channeled where he clearly was focused on hitting harder and faster.
 
Nightengale said:
I feel like Episode 1 had the right balance in terms of having that flashy style without being overboard with some aspects of it like in II/III where Anakin felt like he was showboating against Dooku, and the excessive set-piece moments in Obi-wan vs Vader.

I liked the last segment of Obi-wan/Maul, where the pace of the battle changed from the more acrobatic, softer approach to Obi-wan's rage channeled where he clearly was focused on hitting harder and faster.
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Exactly, I have little to no issues with the Darth Maul end fight, its good, genuinely well choreographed and makes sense, Maul has a plan to isolate and split the two up and uses his acrobatics to escape mostly. There is a good flow to the fight, despite the fact thats its interrupted by 3 other things going on (Gungans, Palace, Anakin) which really does eat into the intensity. And importantly, as you mentioned, the tactical part of the fight is blown up by the death and emotional response from Anakin which allows for a more loose and emotional style of fighting, which can be more reckless, just as it was with Luke when he got pissed.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
I am so fed up of seeing that GIF. Yes, it's stupid but the rest of that fight is actually decent at the least.
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Is it really stupid though?

I felt like it was pretty decent for what was basically two fighters feinting each other, looking for an opening. I felt the larger problem was the fight was bloated, where they tried too hard to make it 'epic' with the whole volcanic battle thing, etc.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
I am so fed up of seeing that GIF. Yes, it's stupid but the rest of that fight is actually decent at the least.
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The stupidity of the fight is that the way Lucas tries to show that it is unique and special is by continually changing the background and not through tempo or rhythm, he thinks making the terrain harder to fight on makes the fight more dramatic when really, if the relationship between the two was built up correctly, you could have had the fight in a single room and it would have been dramatic. You a meeting room to a coil to falling machine parts to riding a machine ontop of lava to fighting on chains to fighting on land. He went for pure spectacle and the fight meant absolutely nothing.
 
Nightengale said:
Is it really stupid though?

I felt like it was pretty decent for what was basically two fighters feinting each other, looking for an opening. I felt the larger problem was the fight was bloated, where they tried too hard to make it 'epic' with the whole volcanic battle thing, etc.
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The opening is right in front of them.
 
Nightengale said:
Is it really stupid though?

I felt like it was pretty decent for what was basically two fighters feinting each other, looking for an opening. I felt the larger problem was the fight was bloated, where they tried too hard to make it 'epic' with the whole volcanic battle thing, etc.
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Yeah, I do think it's a bit silly. Still enjoy the rest of the duel though.
 
Nightengale said:
I felt like it was pretty decent for what was basically two fighters feinting each other, looking for an opening.
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That's what it is, they're testing each others' instincts, sizing up their grasp of the Force... something else I don't see the problem with. I thought it was an interesting detail. They both struck at the same time which was meant to show that they're equals. The fighting lasted a while because it was mainly an endurance test and it wasn't going to end until one of them made a dumb move, which was of course Anakin attempting to leap a big gap over Obi-Wan.

Not to mention it was one of the most anticipated scenes in movie history and Lucas wanted to make it long and epic.
 
Mr Cola said:
The stupidity of the fight is that the way Lucas tries to show that it is unique and special is by continually changing the background and not through tempo or rhythm, he thinks making the terrain harder to fight on makes the fight more dramatic when really, if the relationship between the two was built up correctly, you could have had the fight in a single room and it would have been dramatic. You a meeting room to a coil to falling machine parts to riding a machine ontop of lava to fighting on chains to fighting on land. He went for pure spectacle and the fight meant absolutely nothing.
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I don't really see how you can say it meant nothing. You're probably right about over-doing the spectacle but it definitely felt like the most important duel of the prequel trilogy to me.
 
BY2K said:
More... I don't know, actors from The Raid are in this movie, so more of THAT' I guess.
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I really hope we get a lightsaber version of this.
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I mean, I'm not expecting The Raid levels of choreograhpy, just variations of other fighting techniques is what I'm saying with the gif. Not just sabers going all out.
 
MMarston said:
I really hope we get a lightsaber version of this.
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I mean, I'm not expecting The Raid levels of choreograhpy, just variations of other fighting techniques is what I'm saying with the gif. Not just sabers going all out.
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I wonder if there will even be a lightsaber fight in the movie. The new cast doesn't know how to handle that shit. Mild spoiler:
And I've read that Luke actually doesn't feature in this movie much at all.
 
MMarston said:
I really hope we get a lightsaber version of this.
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I mean, I'm not expecting The Raid levels of choreograhpy, just variations of other fighting techniques is what I'm saying with the gif. Not just sabers going all out.
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While I love this style, does it fit in the universe?

I doubt we are going to see any elongated long take action scenes with the shaky cam, nor do we need to really.
 
Mr Cola said:
Its definitely an interesting thing to think about, all we know so far is that Kylo has a lightsaber and has been seen thrusting it and also possesses some form of force power (though if you wanted to throw a real curveball maybe he doesnt and that scene ends with him putting up his hand to nothing happening). I thought it would be an interesting idea if he wasnt actually attuned to the force but a skilled fighter, maybe an acolyte or devotee of the arts but not someone who can tap into it.

The real question is where has he learned his skills?
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MMarston said:
I really hope we get a lightsaber version of this.
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I mean, I'm not expecting The Raid levels of choreograhpy, just variations of other fighting techniques is what I'm saying with the gif. Not just sabers going all out.
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YES

I want Kylo Ren to be swinging that saber like a damn maniac
 
Guys, don't spoiler-tag your guesses when people are putting actual spoilers behind the black bars. You're gonna fuck around and cause someone to accidentally spoil themselves because they're gonna click on something thinking it's just some dude blindly guessing and it turns out to be someone who's been following spoilers dropping actual details.
 
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