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Star Wars: The Old Republic |OT2| In a F2Play galaxy far, far away
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HarryDemeanor
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I think the PvP starter set is blue while I remember the stuff you buy off the vendors are epic quality.
Apparently one of the unlocks lets you equip Artifact gear, but it's 1,200 coins.
Quickbars are 250 each. Unify colors is 300. Show title/legacy name is 100 each.
Assuming these prices don't change, my guess is it will be about $1 = 150 CC with discounts for buying more of course. Some things seem to just be optional if you don't want to pay credits. For example, I still had all my inventory slots unlocked even as F2P because I had previously purchased them with credits. THAT is how you do F2P. Except they are capping credits and comms. So that means you can't unlock most of this stuff without subbing first. What a complete fucking disaster. Wouldn't it be better to just limit the amount of money/comms earned rather than a hard cap? You know, like every other F2P game out there. "You get 25% of the credits earned, subs get 100%".
The 250 CC coin for Weekly WZ unlocks means about $6.50 a month for just PVP if my prediction is correct. Of course you'll need to spend 1,200 CC just to equip the gear and then you still won't be able to get the Elite WH weapon due to the cap.
The packs are a joke. I'm already getting dups after 3. Nothing I have gotten has been particularly interesting.
Quickbars are 250 each. Unify colors is 300. Show title/legacy name is 100 each.
Assuming these prices don't change, my guess is it will be about $1 = 150 CC with discounts for buying more of course. Some things seem to just be optional if you don't want to pay credits. For example, I still had all my inventory slots unlocked even as F2P because I had previously purchased them with credits. THAT is how you do F2P. Except they are capping credits and comms. So that means you can't unlock most of this stuff without subbing first. What a complete fucking disaster. Wouldn't it be better to just limit the amount of money/comms earned rather than a hard cap? You know, like every other F2P game out there. "You get 25% of the credits earned, subs get 100%".
The 250 CC coin for Weekly WZ unlocks means about $6.50 a month for just PVP if my prediction is correct. Of course you'll need to spend 1,200 CC just to equip the gear and then you still won't be able to get the Elite WH weapon due to the cap.
The packs are a joke. I'm already getting dups after 3. Nothing I have gotten has been particularly interesting.
BattleMonkey
Member
Yea AoC's system was awful and this is looking like a bad system as well. They are just trying to push people to sub when they should be concentrating on microtransactions.
I doubt they change anything. Things like the action bar limit are listed in multiple places. I feels very intentional.
That said, when it fails miserably (which it will), I bet there's a lot of backtracking.
Yeah... I don't see this going well. Maybe they're just trying to kill it intentionally.
BattleMonkey
Member
Sadly they are for sure going to see an influx of money come in when it goes f2p and see things as going well. The weak willed will toss cash at it at first. Any major issues wont appear for a while so changes for the better might take time in the coming. They are likely going to see a big cash flow coming from just folks such as subscribers with disposable income who will buy tons of booster packs. They need to see that it's a bad idea, but the f2p launch no matter how bad it sounds, is going to cause a rush of money into their pockets and make it seem like they are doing the right thing at first.
? That's not on the feature lists for those who have upgraded accounts.
Where does it say that?
Sure, but I think that's more to do with the fact they'll get a lot of press attention. Like I said earlier, I don't know who this F2P system is supposed to appeal to in the long term.
This feels more like EA doing what EA does best: gross money making schemes created by suits who look at graphs all day and have never played a video game. But the lack of content leading to this? That's definitely on BW. The game was doing okay until 1.2 was delayed.
It says you only get 1
It was a couple days ago, they removed it unfortunately. That really sucks. Maybe it was a typo on their website.
This is getting sillier every day. I wonder how the meetings went down. I don't believe anyone who actually is involved with this game is happy about what they are doing.
StudioTan
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I think they are doing credits the same as AoC, ie there is no cap to how much you can earn but a cap on how much you can have at any one time. So if you have 1 million credits you'll see you have 200,000 and 800,000 in escrow. It basically means you can't buy anything worth more than 200k.
Disheveled_Zen
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So I'm reading on the forums that there is also a "preferred" level with previous subscribers getting more than people who are straight up f2p. Can't find any solid information but it seems like banks and the like are not restricted if you subbed to the game previously. Wonder if this also applies to the UI.
Anyone have anymore info on that?
Anyone have anymore info on that?
In terms of the outfits you can buy, doesn't it cost a lot to transfer mods? Would the 200k cap even cover a full set? A lot of of the outfits are just chest pieces too, which is weird.
Also, I went to test how the 200k credit limit works, so I bought some stuff in the CE section and it said the prices are increased for non-subs. Way to support CE buyers...
I tested this. If you spend any of your 200k, it does not refill with escrow. You have to earn more to reach the cap again.
Also, I went to test how the 200k credit limit works, so I bought some stuff in the CE section and it said the prices are increased for non-subs. Way to support CE buyers...
I tested this. If you spend any of your 200k, it does not refill with escrow. You have to earn more to reach the cap again.
BattleMonkey
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There is also caps on all currencies including coms of all types. You can not raise these caps unless you sub. On top of that, the prices of gear for F2P player were raised... yet they have caps on their currencies.... so you can't access a lot of stuff if your F2P. Doing stuff like paying for weekly passes for content becomes pretty pointless when your currencies are capped and you can't aquire various items because of these caps.
It only takes away limits on some chat functions and lets you use your cargo hold on the ship.
It only takes away limits on some chat functions and lets you use your cargo hold on the ship.
Disheveled_Zen
Member
Well that's.........underwhelming. At least in LOTRO I had access to everything I had when I was a subscriber. I think I was only locked away from 2 character slots, which I gladly unlocked knowing I would never need to again.
And the last will is broken.
Disheveled_Zen
Member
I'm OK with the chat to be honest, at least limiting /say and whatever else that can be broadcast to an area simply to cut down on gold farmer spam. Limiting any other chat such as guild or group is just asinine.
But yes, the action bar thing coupled with locking away stuff like hide head slot and trying to get people to pay.....its mind boggling.
Huge update about the current state of the F2P model and incoming tweaks.
Choice bit:
Obviously they are listening to feedback, and are willing to adjust some things. Continue to provide feedback, and maybe we can get this thing a little more user friendly.
Oh and the chat limitations are nice. You can still /say, party chat, op chat, and the like, you are just limited to one message a minute in the general, trade, or pvp channels. Which will help all our sanities come F2P time I imagine.
Edit: Post about the "Preferred Player" status.
It looks like this addresses the majority of concerns players have had, what do you guys think now having this increased detail?
Choice bit:
Obviously they are listening to feedback, and are willing to adjust some things. Continue to provide feedback, and maybe we can get this thing a little more user friendly.
Oh and the chat limitations are nice. You can still /say, party chat, op chat, and the like, you are just limited to one message a minute in the general, trade, or pvp channels. Which will help all our sanities come F2P time I imagine.
Edit: Post about the "Preferred Player" status.
It looks like this addresses the majority of concerns players have had, what do you guys think now having this increased detail?
BattleMonkey
Member
They also posted new list of stuff preferred status: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5324114#edit5324114
So if you buy anything at all or subbed you are getting some more benefits and lifted restrictions than originally announced.
So if you buy anything at all or subbed you are getting some more benefits and lifted restrictions than originally announced.
I agree with this, though I can't fathom not giving returning players the same amount of bars they had before, realistically.
There also needs to be some compromise with unlocked WZ/FP/OPs and allowing you to use the gear you earn (and unlock comm earnings) during that time regardless of artifact limitation.
Still amazed BW and EA continue to destroy themselves like this. At least they are listening ahead of time this time, it seems.
this is good but they need to take restrictions off basic features as well. Give people who buy stuff all the quickbars and it will be good.
Disheveled_Zen
Member
Yea I think the quickbar thing is whats pissing people off the most. With so many f2p games out there, it's not like it's difficult to see what works and what doesn't.
Personally, I really hate it when companies do something that is obviously a cash grab, revert it when they see people aren't stupid enough to fall for it and will probably lose subscribers as a result, and then come out and are like "we have the communities best interest in mind so we are changing it to this, love us, give us praise for treating our customers right!"
Subbing to get my cartel coins is going to be my guiltiest spending this month me thinks.
Personally, I really hate it when companies do something that is obviously a cash grab, revert it when they see people aren't stupid enough to fall for it and will probably lose subscribers as a result, and then come out and are like "we have the communities best interest in mind so we are changing it to this, love us, give us praise for treating our customers right!"
Subbing to get my cartel coins is going to be my guiltiest spending this month me thinks.
They are listening. Good. Now, fuck. Four action bars by default. Stop being so dumb about this.
StudioTan
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2 is doable for someone new coming in. 4 should be unlocked for anyone who previously bought the game.
At least you'll still be able to keep equipping purples you already had. So conceivably you could sub for a month, get all your end game PVP and/or PVE gear and then unsub and keep wearing it.
BattleMonkey
Member
Possibly, but it's dumb to do as it builds bad press. Already here on GAF and all over the net their is bad word of mouth going on about the TOR F2P model. Once the damage is done, it's hard to reverse.
Yeah it definitely was dumb, which you can tell by how fast they reversed course. Which, in all honesty is a pretty good sign for me, if this was March Bioware, they would of taken 2 weeks to reverse course.
HarryDemeanor
Member
I'm glad they decided to go with two. Now give them all the quickslots and stop trying to monetize such a basic UI feature. I can't believe we're even talking about this shit.
And let me use purple gear as a Preferred account.
Oh and get rid of that stupid flashpoint loot limit. I makes no sense to have one in there if they already have a limit of how many they can do per week. I mean, what's the point in running two more flashpoints if I can't even receive loot from the last boss of the one I just did?
And let me use purple gear as a Preferred account.
Oh and get rid of that stupid flashpoint loot limit. I makes no sense to have one in there if they already have a limit of how many they can do per week. I mean, what's the point in running two more flashpoints if I can't even receive loot from the last boss of the one I just did?
BattleMonkey
Member
They let you use purple gear that is bound to you if you go to preferred.
Yea the loot thing sounds like a mistake, it should only apply to getting loot rewards from the final encounter in a flashpoint or from group finder returns.
HarryDemeanor
Member
But I don't have any purple gear. Now I can't get any at all.
That makes me a sad chiss.