I though Flash usually has 280-350 or something. It's not standout iirc.
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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT4| Everyone Else Would Beat Catspajamas
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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He can join the ranks of forgg & hyun as recent ex-bw pros who switched over and lose to shitty sc2 players
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MLG Winter Arena - Player List:
MLG Providence '11 Top 8
Leenock, Naniwa, DongRaeGu, Mvp, Huk
, MC, Haypro, Idra
European OQ Top 8
Violet, Ret, Thorzain, Pomi, Socke, Sjow, Grubby, Merz
Korea/Taiwan OQ Top 8
Nestea, Parting, Losira, MarineKing, Oz, STC, Ganzi, San
North American OQ Top 8
Drewbie, Ddoro, Sheth, SaSe, Axslav, Artist, Minigun, DDE
Toronto, Victory Cafe, 4pm-10pm, Feb.26th, BARCRAFT:
Going:
Zzoram
Pandaman
scogoth
mcrae
TheNiX
Spl1nter
Meet at this Tim Hortons at 3pm.
MLG Winter Arena - Player List:
MLG Providence '11 Top 8
Leenock, Naniwa, DongRaeGu, Mvp, Huk
European OQ Top 8
Violet, Ret, Thorzain, Pomi, Socke, Sjow, Grubby, Merz
Korea/Taiwan OQ Top 8
Nestea, Parting, Losira, MarineKing, Oz, STC, Ganzi, San
North American OQ Top 8
Drewbie, Ddoro, Sheth, SaSe, Axslav, Artist, Minigun, DDE
Toronto, Victory Cafe, 4pm-10pm, Feb.26th, BARCRAFT:
Going:
Zzoram
Pandaman
scogoth
mcrae
TheNiX
Spl1nter
Meet at this Tim Hortons at 3pm.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Yeah but I have no hopes for him. At least ForGG had some merit.
AdventureRacing
Member
Edited out. sorry lol.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Some here would consider that a spoiler fyi.
Those games are over 5 weeks old now.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
AdventureRacing posted something from last nights results. He edited it out though.
AdventureRacing
Member
Yeah i haven't been able to watch for a few weeks now so i just check liquipedia so i sorta forget whats happened when.
I only ever watch things live, otherwise I just check results. There is WAY too much content for me to be worried about going back to watch old games.
I'll only watch old games if they are between two players I want to see, and I read they were good games with something unusual.
I'll only watch old games if they are between two players I want to see, and I read they were good games with something unusual.
PhoenixDark
Banned
ForGG isn't done. I think he's far too gimmicky at the wrong time, as Terran becomes more macro heavy. He'll figure it out eventually, but I don't see him dominating anytime soon.
BW players are simply not going to waltz in and dominate SC2. I know apologists will just argue that proves SC2 is a joke or whatever, but they can qq more for all I care. I briefly read a new article on TL about how no one is dominating SC2 because anyone can beat anyone. And yet three players have essentially monopolized the GSL, one of whom is still regarded as the best player in the world (MVP).
I find it funny that everyone talks about Nestea as if he's trash now, just because he lost a few games to MVP and GSL Koreans.
Even Idra thought he could take Nestea in GSL, then lost 0-2. Now people think Demuslim can beat Nestea at MLG? Seriously? After Nestea WON the Korean qualifiers over aLive, Ganzi, Killer, Oz, and Parting? Foreigners are so overrated.
Nestea is still the 2nd best Zerg in the world behind DRG.
Even Idra thought he could take Nestea in GSL, then lost 0-2. Now people think Demuslim can beat Nestea at MLG? Seriously? After Nestea WON the Korean qualifiers over aLive, Ganzi, Killer, Oz, and Parting? Foreigners are so overrated.
Nestea is still the 2nd best Zerg in the world behind DRG.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Foreigners are always going to be over hyped.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Part of Nestea's problems are due to balance; it's simply hard for late game zerg to deal with terran when one of their units counters everything zerg has. But he also doesn't handle hellion pressure particularly well, and has had some recent troubles with protoss. I think it's more than fair and safe to say he's no longer quite the dominant player he once was.
Zerg is so easily harassed and fucked with that it'll be hard for any zerg to truly dominate imo, given the leaps in terran play and protoss buffs.
Zerg is so easily harassed and fucked with that it'll be hard for any zerg to truly dominate imo, given the leaps in terran play and protoss buffs.
If you talk only about Zergs he is no 1 yes.
If not, MVP beats him with quite a margin.
BW players are going to waltz in and dominate. When the actual good ones switch and they take the time to learn the meta game what matchups and map strats, etc. It's not going to happen in 1-2 seasons, but it will happen when they commit.
SC2 rewards micro and engagements over macro. It's not macro based. It's strategy and engagement based. Macro is piss easy where no one at a competitive level should have 'bad' macro.
If some 2v2 player and old terran can becomes the best zerg and terran in a few months what makes you think the good BW players will take longer?
MVP and Nestea are gone from the spotlight for me and certainly not the best players of their races.
They did that when everyone sucked at SC2 though. I agree that the very high level broodwar players will be in a good position to do well in SC2 if they really commit to it; but the longer that takes to happen the longer it'll take them to get up to par and the better chances of some seriously good SC2 players to pop up. The only weird wrench in that will be how badly the expansions will reset the meta games.
Consider that a lot of current top BW gamers came in when everyone was already playing BW for 6 years.
No balance changes. No patches. Just new maps.
Ya, Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, Stork, Fantasy, Effort are going to be kings once they commit to SC2.
I just need to find someone with $5 million USD so I can keep BW on life support for some more years. Or convert people with SC2:BW tournies. No LAN kind of sucks though.
I really really hope Blizzard does not do some shady things to 'force' BW to stop being broadcast.
AdventureRacing
Member
SC2:BW kinda sucks overall. I've always wanted a souped up version of BW but SC2:BW doesn't fill that void for me at all.
not anymore!
They nerfed the marine as well!?!?!?!
I didn't realize Marines were good against Broodlords....
gotta be some kind of jokes :/
marines are gooooood against broodlord but shit against broodlord infestors
Or just good vs everything.
AppleSmack
Banned
Teamliquid Page
MLG Winter Arena - Player List:
MLG Providence '11 Top 8
Leenock, Naniwa, DongRaeGu, Mvp, Huk, MC, Haypro, Idra
European OQ Top 8
Violet, Ret, Thorzain, Pomi, Socke, Sjow, Grubby, Merz
Korea/Taiwan OQ Top 8
Nestea, Parting, Losira, MarineKing, Oz, STC, Ganzi, San
North American OQ Top 8
Drewbie, Ddoro, Sheth, SaSe, Axslav, Artist, Minigun, DDE
Toronto, Victory Cafe, 4pm-10pm, Feb.26th, BARCRAFT:
Going:
Zzoram
Pandaman
scogoth
mcrae
TheNiX
Spl1nter
Meet at this Tim Hortons at 3pm.
Hype!
Now that I got back into Starcraft this will be the first MLG I watch since October.
I always loved Leenock. Even more so then Nestea. Found him a complete boss. Hope he is still good now!
AppleSmack
Banned
lol yep. Marine easily the best unit in the game. Back last summer 6 rax was how I made it out of Bronze League. Then I switched to Zerg lol.
It was a joke... but not far from the truth tough!
I haven't caught up on all the RO8 games in GSL, but Alive has had the most impressive play from any player I've seen so far. The series vs. MMA was great. Besides that, Gumiho is showing how powerful it is to attack in 3+ places at once, but his execution is rather poor.
I feel like the real top level SC2 players are starting to emerge, but there's still quite a ways to go, as there's still plenty of room for improvement.
I feel like the real top level SC2 players are starting to emerge, but there's still quite a ways to go, as there's still plenty of room for improvement.
Fusion Pizza
Member
I went to UC Davis for my first bachelors degree. I can safely say that Sacramento has nothing to offer.
No joke
Yep, theres a reason people call it "sack"
And does anyone know where there is barcraft in SF? I'd be down to go to that.
Looks like there's one for this MLG this. Given that it's SF I'd be surprised if there wasn't a barcraft going for every big event. I'm only occasionally in the bay area as that's where my parents live, but I might be down to barcraft if one's going on next time I'm in the area.
I dont see why we are meeting up beforehand. Lets just meet at the barcraft 15 mins early or the subway station
rape?
no where better than a subway bathroom
Tim Hortons is everywhere, has tons of really cheap stuff under $1, and open 24/7 so it's an easy meeting place.
The idea was to have a bit of a GAF meet before the Barcraft where it's quieter, and show up together to claim a table.
you're out of your ponydamned mind if you dont think current broodwar pros were playing the game in those 6 years prior to their pro debuts.
in canada, there are twice as many timmies as there are mcdonalds.
And they don't get why we make fun of them.