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Saturnman

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Sokar said:
Well considering he never read the book in the first place. How does he even come to the conclusion that it's pro-fascist?

Even the movie is seen as a satire of a future fascist state. How do people come to the conclusion it's a "fascist" state? Because citizenship is only given to people VOLUNTEER for military/federal service?

Fascism is a form of authoritarian government.

Rasczak: "What is the difference if any between a citizen and a civilian?"

Rico: "A citizen protects the body politics defending it with his life, a civilian does not"

Then there was the scene at the prom where Rico asks Rasczak his advice on Fed Service and is told that real freedom is his freedom to choose, to make up his own mind.

So according to the dialogue of the movie, it's basically a free society and there are 2 class of people. Citizens and Civilians, the only difference is that citizens have the right to vote based on a term of service in a VOLUNTEER military.

Where's the authoritarian facsism state?

You seem to get worked up over nothing and completely miss the point.

The faschist tone of the movie was in the propanganda movies (though those are not exclusive to faschism) and many of the costumes. It was a bit subtle and not emphasized.

One could also argue humans are very agressive in the movie, like a hysterical conquering force, making the bugs look like victims when you look at the movie as a whole

You also forgot to mention that democracy was subverted in the movie and violence is taught to be a useful tool. All talk about in the same scene you mentionned.

What Verhoeven did was like, say, some conservatives labelling civil right activists as communists. Perhaps true in some cases, but it's still largely a great hyperbole, a caricature. To me, Starship Troopers is a caricature. An entertaining one at that too.
 

Gorey

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quadriplegicjon said:
nice avatar.. i just started reading that book
Good read! I'd probably finish it if I didn't spend my reading time posting on GAF.....

Saturnman said:
It certainly is for someone of Verhoeven's background. That's basically the point.

You can still complain about it, if you want.

We might disagree on the movie itself (although, not really, I think) but this is the point, which I totally understand.

As I said, I just wish someone would make a kickass awesome-powered-armor-suits-killing-bugs-in-space-from-orbital-dropships movie at some point, drawing from the book.

That said, leaving the cultural values stuff out of a faithfull adaptation would ring a little hollow. It certainly shows Heinlein's views and its cold war roots, and can't be completely discounted from analysis.
 
StoOgE said:
he whitewashed the bugs too.. in the movie they seemed like they were just chillin on their planet.. in the book they had guns.

What the...the bugs had guns? I remember the skinnies shooting at troopers but I don't remember bugs shooting at them.
 

Gorey

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The Shadow said:
What the...the bugs had guns? I remember the skinnies shooting at troopers but I don't remember bugs shooting at them.
Yep, they sure did.

Starship Troopers (page 137)
"Only about one in fifty is a warrior- but he makes up for the other forty-nine. Their personal weapons aren't as heavy as ours, but they are lethal just the same- they've got a beam that will penetrate armor and slice flesh like cutting a hard-boiled egg, and they cooperate even better than we do...."
 

tedtropy

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Shadowmancer said:
Total Recall>Starship Troopers>Robocop>Basic Instinct>Hollow Man>>>>>>Showgirls.

I really liked Starship Troopers, but better than Robocop...?

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