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Steam | 02.2016 - Orangeade

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Deitus

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With that attitude you must be missing out on a lot of games.

What attitude exactly? When hundreds of people use the exact same phrase to advertise a game, without actually saying anything meaningful about the game, it has a negative effect on my desire to play the game.

I still think the game's gimmick sounds cool, but I hear the game is short, so I'm not going to drop $25 on it. I might buy it on sale as I said before.
 

Nillansan

Member
there's a difference when the devs themselves push people to shill for them in the game.

What attitude exactly? When hundreds of people use the exact same phrase to advertise a game, without actually saying anything meaningful about the game, it has a negative effect on my desire to play the game.

I see your point, I actually forgot about the discount codes for a moment there, I thought that you were referring to the general hype that was surrounding the game.
 

Grief.exe

Member
But you could excuse every game like that. I mean Order could have an endless survival mode, but it still would just be a 4-5 hour shooter.

The Order was a bog standard third person shooter, theoretically if it had an endless mode people still wouldn't have been interested.

Super Hot has some unique and compelling mechanics, that argument is predicated upon people wanting to play indefinitely.
 

Jawmuncher

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The Order was a bog standard third person shooter, theoretically if it had an endless mode people still wouldn't have been interested.

Super Hot has some unique and compelling mechanics, that argument is predicated upon people wanting to play indefinitely.

I thought the order was pretty good. I would have loved a endless mode for it.
 

Wok

Member
Super Hot has some unique and compelling mechanics, that argument is predicated upon people wanting to play indefinitely.

The worst is the delay whenever you restart. It is kind of game-breaking. Imagine Hotline Miami or Super Meat Boy with this kind of restart.

Quoting Stephen Lavelle:

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Dr Dogg

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I thought the order was pretty good. I would have loved a endless mode for it.

I wonder if you thought Theodore Rex was good :p

By the way your Disgaea avatar just bopped 3 guys in a row on their turn. I've created a monster! One that's also gaining all the xp so I might need to balance things around a bit more.
 

Saty

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The Church of Darkness
The Suffering lead designer Richard Rouse III has announced an ambitious narratively-driven stealth adventure called The Church of Darkness.

Ellen McLain and John Patrick Lowrie not only play a married couple in this, but actually are a married couple in real life too.

Billed as a "top-down action-infiltration game" The Church of Darkness' main appeal is that the story significantly changes with each playthrough.

The game is set in 1970s South America where a cult of US citizens has relocated to set up camp and practice their beliefs free from the persecution of the US government. You play as an ex-cop who has travelled to the cult's camp Freedom Town in hopes of bringing back your nephew Alex.

The Church of Darkness is in development for PC and Mac with plans for PS4 and Xbox One ports to follow. So far Paranoid Productions is targeting a release early next year.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ead-designer-announces-the-church-of-darkness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyiZczAveOs
 

Jawmuncher

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I wonder if you thought Theodore Rex was good :p

By the way your Disgaea avatar just bopped 3 guys in a row on their turn. I've created a monster! One that's also gaining all the xp so I might need to balance things around a bit more.

I liked the animatronics, that's about it though. Good to hear my avatar is doing well. I tend to work pretty well in games. I'm still alive in Rhaknars Darkest Dungeon and Khronicos Xcom 2 I believe.
 

Anno

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Sooo...when did the Zachtronics guy go to work at Valve? I assume it was a long time ago and I'm just dumb and missed it. Kinda sad as I assume that means no more crazy games from that studio.
 

Soulflarz

Banned
Wont refund a 7$ game, but would have feel burned if I would have spend 30.

I mean
after the game there is an endless mode and challenges, but the price still feels quite high.

This.
People called me out for saying my 2hr thing was way too short
Yeah uh
The game itself is still ridiculously short.

The issue is the concept isn't good enough for a 5hr game. Really, it should just be priced better.
 

Turfster

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Did you guys see this bundle already?
"10% of the Net Revenue generated by advertising in relation to The Forgotten God Gamebundle is paid to SPECIALEFFECT.ORG.UK. It is expected that we will pay between $500 to $10000 in total."
Currently sold: $56, in 5 hours.

You're... not doing a very good job advertising your bundle, I think, guys.




Shadwen's time mechanics are cool, and it looks pretty good, but... the demo is really badly chosen. "Here's a random section of the game. No explanation on what you have to do here, just, you know, do it."
 

Salsa

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This.
People called me out for saying my 2hr thing was way too short
Yeah uh
The game itself is still ridiculously short.

The issue is the concept isn't good enough for a 5hr game. Really, it should just be priced better.

who gives a crap about length

game did and does more for me than some long-ass 15 hour same ol thing like Rise of the Tomb Raider or something

you people are weird. I'd rather be entertained with something novel than just waste time of my life playing something I already played

plus talking about endless and challenge (plus more stuff coming) as "extras" is weird. It's the actual meat of the game, easily, and you get what you put in out of it. I've had more fun with the gameplay ever since I finished the short campaign.
 

Khronico

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I liked the animatronics, that's about it though. Good to hear my avatar is doing well. I tend to work pretty well in games. I'm still alive in Rhaknars Darkest Dungeon and Khronicos Xcom 2 I believe.

It was actually my XCOM 1 playthrough before my inevitable purchase and playthrough of 2 with all the surviving participants.

I actually beat the campaign about a week ago and you survived.

Let's uh... Let's not talk about the playthrough before that.
 

Wok

Member
Sooo...when did the Zachtronics guy go to work at Valve? I assume it was a long time ago and I'm just dumb and missed it. Kinda sad as I assume that means no more crazy games from that studio.

Only one of them did, and he is working on VR.
 

Dr Dogg

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Talking about game length, there are quite a few that overstay their welcome more than they should. Plus some that add in some of the most mind numbing filler to pad things out or have regurgitated modes to try and give a sense of replayabilty. If a game has a good set of mechanics, not vast just good, then it probably has the potential to hold my attention for longer. Well except MGS5. All the mechanical refinement in that game got shat on from a great height the moment Codetalker showed up and further cemented every time Huey did something shady but for some reason still didn't get kicked off Motherbase.
 

Salsa

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- everyone complains about backlog
- everyone complains about short games

you people don't make sense

gimme that sweet little capsule of gaming bliss over a fuckin huge meal made of a turd
 

Jawmuncher

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It was actually my XCOM 1 playthrough before my inevitable purchase and playthrough of 2 with all the surviving participants.

I actually beat the campaign about a week ago and you survived.

Let's uh... Let's not talk about the playthrough before that.
Good stuff

- everyone complains about backlog
- everyone complains about short games

you people don't make sense

I love short games. But you missed a bit. People complain about short games and price together. Don't think anyone would complain over a hour long game for a $1. Everyone just has a different perception of what a game should be worth. I'm a stingy guy so unless it has MGS or RE in the title I don't feel like it's worth full price. Even then I still go out of my way to save money on those.
 

Soulflarz

Banned
who gives a crap about length

game did and does more for me than some long-ass 15 hour same ol thing like Rise of the Tomb Raider or something

you people are weird. I'd rather be entertained with something novel than just waste time of my life playing something I already played

plus talking about endless and challenge (plus more stuff coming) as "extras" is weird. It's the actual meat of the game, easily, and you get what you put in out of it. I've had more fun with the gameplay ever since I finished the short campaign.

I didn't like RotTR either
Salsa
I actively hate games if their design isn't top notch- or rather, I say they're mediocre

Superhot is a very fun game. It is not worth $25
It is worth $9.50
:3
 

Salsa

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I didn't like RotTR either
Salsa
I actively hate games if their design isn't top notch- or rather, I say they're mediocre

Superhot is a very fun game. It is not worth $25
It is worth $9.50
:3

how is price = length?

price should be reflective of how good the game is and how much effort they put into it

game doesnt have stellar tech or anything so it's not AAA price, but it does something from a mechanics standpoint that is both hard to implement and really innovative

it's more than worth it's price, and they set it at that for a reason

the campaign is one mode
 

Wok

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how is price = length?

price should be reflective of how good the game is and how much effort they put into it

game doesnt have stellar tech or anything so it's not AAA price, but it does something from a mechanics standpoint that is both hard to implement and really innovative

it's more than worth it's price, and they set it at that for a reason

the campaign is one mode

The problem is that if you have played the prototype from years ago, then the concept is not innovative anymore. Plus, from what I read, there are tons of missed opportunities to transform the prototype into a bigger game with more weapons, shields, etc.
 
This discussion is the reason why I only play RPGs these days. Well, mostly. RPGs are generally long, and with each new one, I can experience new story, adventure, and experience.

I will never complain about short games because I will never play them.
 

Durante

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Next he's going to try and convince us The Witness is worth $40! :)
The Witness is easily worth $40. It's a large, incredibly well and intricately designed game.

I don't believe in judging games by play time, but just for the record I've played The Witness for roughly 50 hours and am still not completely done with it.
 
The Witness is easily worth $40. It's a large, incredibly well and intricately designed game.

I don't believe in judging games by play time, but just for the record I've played The Witness for roughly 50 hours and am still not completely done with it.

I know I was just rustling his jimmies.
 

morningbus

Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I do find it interesting how many games have caused discussions about pricing lately.

The Witness, Firewatch, Superhot.

Each conversation is pretty unique, too.
 

Namek

Neo Member
Everyone calling SUPERHOT 'the most innovative' game in years is doing it because
IT IS IN FACT, THE TRUTH. MUCH INNOVATION.

Edit: heeeey! I didn't write that.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I can't believe I'm saying this but... I agree with Salsa on this one.

Any game experience that's unique and brings something new to the table are the ones I find myself feeling like I get the best value from. A game can be short or long, cheap or expensive and it doesn't change whether or not I think it's a good game. Some games I think are too short and I wish they were longer, but others are too long and I wish they were shorter. If I play a game for 50 hours and had fun with it, it doesn't really matter to me if I paid $60 for it or $1. Obviously I'm going to consider it a better value if I got 50 hours out of $1 game, but it's not going make me like the game less if it was $60.

And while I typically play "long" games, as a general rule I try to throw in a few "short" games here and there to help break things up. Both can be great.
 

Stallion Free

Cock Encumbered
I don't get the obsession with tracking devs leaving Valve as if there is always some deeper meaning behind it... it's almost like people have never worked at a real job in a real company surrounded by actual adults.
 
"10% of the Net Revenue generated by advertising in relation to The Forgotten God Gamebundle is paid to SPECIALEFFECT.ORG.UK. It is expected that we will pay between $500 to $10000 in total."
Currently sold: $56, in 5 hours.

You're... not doing a very good job advertising your bundle, I think, guys.
It's really poorly communicated
like Pixeljunk shooter ultimate being Pixeljunk shooter 2 bad
:
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/9dWrh/gamebundle-forgotten-god-game-bundle#uED4BeK said:
. The amount raised is the amount of money going to charity, it's not an active counter of the total amount that people have purchased.

I know one thing, I bought a game for 99 cents because I thought it was super hot. It wasn't so I refunded it.
And now you are cursed with your trading cards taking 2 hours longer to drop.
 

Parsnip

Member
i dont understand why this community is consumed with drama every quarter or so. can't people just play games and not be jerks?
People learn bad habits from the gaming side.

https://support.sega.co.uk/hc/en-us/articles/207799725

Looks like they will be sending out keys again.
Oh cool, I didn't get my day 3 code so maybe this time.

Talking about game length, there are quite a few that overstay their welcome more than they should.
Level length is a problem too, at least for me. I still haven't finished Alice Madness Returns because the levels feel like they are about one thirds too long.
 

Knurek

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I don't believe in judging games by play time, but just for the record I've played The Witness for roughly 50 hours and am still not completely done with it.

Play time, shmay time.
It's value that matters.
You can't positively think that The Witness (€37) has more inherent value than Age of Decadence (€28), Might & Magic X (€25) or TIS-100 (€7)
 

Ozium

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who gives a crap about length

game did and does more for me than some long-ass 15 hour same ol thing like Rise of the Tomb Raider or something

you people are weird. I'd rather be entertained with something novel than just waste time of my life playing something I already played

you can say the same thing about Devil Daggers

except that game is $5
 

Dr Dogg

Member
Just some stats

Popular Among Your Friends (Lifetime)

Game - Players - Time - Max Price


  1. DotA2 - 73 People - 14,710 hours - Free
  2. Team Fortress 2 - 89 people - 10,220 hours - £15/Free
  3. CSGO - 69 People - 6,624 hours - £12
  4. Skyrim - 82 People - 6,013 hours - £30
  5. Dark Souls - 78 People - 3,736 hours - £30
 

Salsa

Member
you can say the same thing about Devil Daggers

except that game is $5

hardly

Devil Daggers is Quake Arena. That's it, and it's one mode. And it's great.

but SUPERHOT is a thing that hasn't been done before and has a ton of modes to play around with the mechanics
 

Durante

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Play time, shmay time.
It's value that matters.
You can't positively think that The Witness (€37) has more inherent value than Age of Decadence (€28), Might & Magic X (€25) or TIS-100 (€7)
No, but those games are older. If you start completely disregarding that, none of those games should even be considered because you could instead buy Planescape:Torment.
 

Soulflarz

Banned
I don't care about whether or not a game is enjoyable vs money for me saying if it's a good game
An 8.0 isn't suddenly a 9.0 at half the price.

However- I will tell people to wait on an 8.0 if it's too expensive for what you get, just on the fact that there are comparable quality games for similar prices that last you oh so much longer.
Hence why I say buy superhot at $9.50 on nuuvem and not $22.50.
 
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