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STEAM Announcements & Updates 2013 IV - Christmas in July is over, back to real life
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Yep.
lol everquest
its pretty tho
Check out the posts, everything they are doing sounds pretty innovative.
Yep
Good game, but I thought it would be something better.
PandaPedinte
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Did they announced how is the subscription plan?
You mean Desutrctionvoxelnextquest?
I read and watched the thing live. It's interesting, but it's also still an MMO.
F2P
Automatically makes the game bad?
I can admit my interest in MMOs has gone down, but this does look compelling.
Me too, but I think they did a good job on Planetside 2 which was ambitious as well, so I am optimistic, and besides, it's apparently free to try.
Yes, that's why a lot of people are interested in it.
PandaPedinte
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Hope its not P2W. All these features that are being commented makes me want to try the game when released.
They're going to be sending all those voxel changes out to all the clients. So much data.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Alright at first I thought "Meh Everquest" but this info coming out is sounding really hot. Like, this could be pretty good even though I'll probably burn out in beta like most MMOs.
ohyou
"automatically" ties the game to tropes and progression that I dont really enjoy
but hey, i'll keep an eye out for it being different further
They are pushing it way closer towards single-player rpg style progression. Keep an eye on it.
IMO, every F2P game needs to be P2W in order to let the devs/publisher survive. Not making a F2P game P2W is suicide.
That's the first thing I thought too.
At first I just kind of decided to watch the stream on a whim.
After the stream:
Very debatable.
Right now:
Everquest next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Elder Scrolls Online
Maybe not suicide, but very risky.
Everquest next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Elder Scrolls Online
Maybe not suicide, but very risky.
Ugh, I bet morale at that office isn't so hot right now.
I think Dota 2 is a pretty good counterexample to this.
Any game for the past 10 years >>>>>>>> Elder Scrolls Online
I agree, but Valve makes the microtransactions/items in the store you can buy very attractive when you get better at the game.
The problem with using DOTA 2 and TF2 as examples, is Valve also profits on bringing people into the Steam ecosystem.
Their entire business model is to lose money on the front end in order to make money on the back end, this includes their F2P games and Steamworks. Of course, I'm sure DOTA 2 and TF2 would still be profitable even in a vacuum, considering their popularity.
Not The Old Republic.
I agree that there are possibly other motivations for making them F2P, but my guess would be the shear volume of players makes them a pretty tidy profit.
I would imagine that a P2W model makes more money over a short(er) period, but the playing population dwindles faster as the distance (in competitive terms) between the "haves" and the "have-nots" increases.
jediyoshi
Member
This is the valve thread, right?
Yes. TESO and SWTOR are the worst games of the decade. For sure.
PandaPedinte
Member
Path of Exile isnt P2W, they sell cosmetics things and more storage space nothing that breaks the game.
Batman: AC update.
Client Icon just changed, not sure why.
Before/After
Its funny because the latter two could really be construed as P2W.
Especially Tribes, in the beginning. It may be better now.
I know what I played BL:R there were some weapons that you could buy that were leagues more powerful than those available for lower levels.
You could level up, but it would take many, many hours.
PoE is probably one of the best examples of F2P done right.
Client Icon just changed, not sure why.
Before/After
Its funny because the latter two could really be construed as P2W.
Especially Tribes, in the beginning. It may be better now.
I know what I played BL:R there were some weapons that you could buy that were leagues more powerful than those available for lower levels.
You could level up, but it would take many, many hours.
PoE is probably one of the best examples of F2P done right.
Now what I want to know is what they really were talking about when they mentioned that multiclassing stuff. Does it mean you can progress in the game only by exploring, without grinding - maybe there is no levelling at all? (which would be coherent with the emergent AI, since they might not be able to ensure that area X is for beginners and area Y is end-game stuff...) And are the classes only combat-oriented, or can I find a "wise teacher" or "hardened fisherman" class if I explore far enough into a library or an ocean? Because that would be the best.
Hell yeah
Leon Belmont
Member
Batman: AC update.
Client Icon just changed, not sure why.
Before/After
Its funny because the latter two could really be construed as P2W.
Especially Tribes, in the beginning. It may be better now.
I know what I played BL:R there were some weapons that you could buy that were leagues more powerful than those available for lower levels.
You could level up, but it would take many, many hours.
PoE is probably one of the best examples of F2P done right.
I'm seeing the same icon for the Arkham City version, the GOTY has the icon in the right!
They did not go into that amount of detail.
They just said that there were 9 starting classes, and 40 classes out in the world to find and mix and match.
I just had it opposite then.
HP_Wuvcraft
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That's the first thing I thought too.
At first I just kind of decided to watch the stream on a whim.
After the stream:
Should have included when he threw all that coke on the pillow.
I know, that's why I want to know more
the fact that you unlock classes by "finding" them and the emergent AI have pretty big consequences on the way progression works, so I want to know what their solutions are.I hope there's some way to patch it out of previous games if they are straight up slaying the beast. Maybe I could actually play Bioshock 2 all the way through without having my save eaten.
Bioshock 2 and the Batman: Arkham games are rumored to quit GFWL and go over to Steamworks.
The majority of PC gamers like/love to use Steam and love the benefit they are getting from Steamworks so the best way as a dev or publisher to make sure a game sells good on PC is to make it a Steamworks game or just reedemable on Steam. At least Ubisoft allows their parners to choose UPlay or Steam (CoJ: Gunslinger uses Steam as far as I know).
Yeeaaaah. The damned community got too good for me though. I can't keep up anymore.
I can't tell if what you are saying is a good thing, or a bad thing.
This is all accurate.
You are right, Ubi allows studios that aren't first party to publish as they wish. And, of course, they choose Steam.
Almost ever time I see a shop like GreenManGaming, Gamersgate, GameFly, GetGamesGo or any of the other 100 shops have a sale on a game and the game is not Steam reedamable there is always many people who comments "No Steam no buy". That should send a message to the dev/publisher.
When for example the Norwegian shop Viagame.no had a sale on Future Soldier and it was not Steam reedamable there were comments on the forum Diskusjon.no and Spill.no like "WTF? No Steam, fuck that, not buying."
Seems like a pretty good possiblity.
We have SOE's last two F2P games, PS2 and EQ2.
That is where I'm at right now.
GoG or Steam.
I either want no DRM or Steam. Don't really want to play around with anything else.
Yes.
The chances are at a 100%
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