Unknown Soldier
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LMAO imagine a PC gamer wanting some shit tier MS console which has the same games as PC anyways except worse
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Steam Hardware Survey GPU results May 2023.
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Mr.Phoenix
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no idea... Basically would mean looking for GPUs that are what? Under 4TF?
I have a PS5 and a 3080... so I couldn't possibly know I guess.
How I got my 60% was that I just took the percentage totals of everything that I know is at least less powerful than a 2070 super.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
That wasn't the purpose for the comparison. The purpose is that we have a strange loud minority that seems to complain about console performance, yet these surveys show that the majority of the PC userbase, is on hardware that isn't even on par.
It makes for some very disingenuous conversations.
KormaChameleon
Member
But can the Series S do the following:
- Install custom modifications to your games.
- Play "next gen" games at a higher resolution then 1080p & 60 frames per second, and I am being generous and not including ray-tracing
- Offer a wide range of options to tweak the game graphics settings to how you want it
- Offer a wide range support of KM&B AND controllers
- VR
- Full backwards compatibility support
And lastly....
01011001
Banned
remember that this card specifically has the laptop and desktop versions combined for some reason.
so the numbers on that card aren't really reliable.
if we combined all the other laptop versions and desktop versions, the 1650 would most likely drop a bunch of spots
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Is it console players complaining about console performance?
That is warranted I think. Console RT is lackluster, its so bad I see people on this forum saying RT is worthless.. consoles seem to struggle badly in games when you turn RT on or they have to reduce RT effects drastically.
darrylgorn
Member
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
With that combo do you play pc or ps5 for multiplat releases?
Sleepwalker
Member
Ah I got you now, I was just geniunely curious if there was a list or something haha.
Knightime_X
Member
Probably when casuals realize majority of the game stutters they experience is because they're using a 1650 gpu
The other half sets literally everything to ultra including resolution scale and wonders why their 4k rated card is stuttering trying to run 8k+ configurations.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
I have a similar combo (PS5/4070) and I use PC for all multi-plats, easy choice. It's fun playing Diablo 4 at 160 FPS
Mr.Phoenix
Member
PS5.... just prefer the console/couch/controller experience. And trophies.
The only thing I play on PC (even though I play that on my couch too funny enough using a controller), are Xbox and PC exclusives.
I dont know if this makes sense, but I find that gaming on PC makes my OCD come out. Things I overlook or not even notice when gaming on consoles seem to become more obvious to me. And every time something stutters, I find my self troubleshooting my PC.
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SportsFan581
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If I'm gaming at 1080p and happy with it why would I buy something else......to game at 1080p?
If the rest of your system was as vintage as your GPU this would probably be a big bump in performance for you.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Its not hard to understand. That "loud minority" complaining about console performance sports a PC with high specs. The ones that don't, don't complain and are satisfied with their mid-low range machine.
There's absolutely nothing disingenuous here, pc players aren't a monolith.
hououinkyouma00
Gold Member
There more to PC then graphics lol
Topher
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Perhaps, but then you wouldn't have the other advantages that PC provide. You do realize that console gaming isn't for everyone, right?
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Laptop1991
Member
Not going to upgrade my ROG 3060 ti just yet with the 1650 on top and the 1060 2nd, it would be a waste of money i think, i'll wait and hopefully Nvidia and AMD will see sense with their pricing and value for money, although maybe they won't!.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Nice try Phil, good luck on Sunday buddy.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Dude exactly the same here. The ocd is on point. Thank god I am not alone lol
winjer
Gold Member
With GPU prices so high, a lot of people are unable to upgrade.
Besides, games like CS:GO and DOTA are huge and don't require a new GPU to play.
It also doesn't help that PC gaming is in a really bad place right now. Tons of stores and launchers. Windows is full of bloatware and spyware. So many games have issues with stuttering from shader compilation and asset streaming.
Several bad ports with performance issues. And GPU prices.
For most people it's better to just buy a console and not have to deal with all this crap.
They can still have a PC for the occasional competitive gaming, that don't require high end hardware.
bender
What time is it?
If I'm gaming at 1080p and happy with it why would I buy something else......to game at 1080p?
Bragging rights and down sampling.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Mr.Phoenix
Member
But doesn't that just confirm my point about how all that is just disingenuous?
Take me for instance, I have a very decent PC. Dunno if I can still call a 5800x + 3080 + 32GB RAM a high-end PC. But it's at least decent. I know what my hardware will give me performance-wise, I also know how much I paid for the damn thing. You don't see me going and laughing or picking on the millions of people that I am sure game on PC machines that cost significantly less or are less performant.
I know that the majority of the PC's out there are below the performance of my PC and just as many more are even below the performance of my PS5 when it comes to gaming. So what sense does it make talking shit about the console when knowing exactly what kinda hardware it is and what kinda performance one can expect from it?
I would think that the last group of people that should be complaining or trying to shit on console performance, are those that primarily reside in a world that encompasses the widest performance spread in gaming.
So yeah... disingenuous.
LazyParrot
Member
A large chunk of the Steam userbase just plays shit like TF2, CSGO or Dota all day. They're not gonna have an existential crisis because their PC is slower than an Xbox, or cry out in despair because it won't run the latest Sony port at 4K. They simply don't care about any of that stuff.
Saying they'd be better off with an Xbox is missing the point. They games they want to play aren't on consoles.
Saying they'd be better off with an Xbox is missing the point. They games they want to play aren't on consoles.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Again, pc players aren't a monolith. Why should a person with a i9 and a 4090 care about the average performance of the pc ecosystem as a whole? They were unsatisfied with the console performance, so they got a powerful pc. They own 0 satisfactions regarding other pc specs out there.
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
Again it's disingenuous. And a double standard.
That's like saying its ok for someone that can afford an E-Class to call people that can only afford a civic poor and are not good enough.
No.
As far as I am concerned, and I believe I am firmly in a position to speak to this as someone who has spent almost $10k on a PC and a HTPC separately, or furthermore, as someone who has spent upwards of $15k on my personal entertainment setup, PC, HTPC, console, UST projector and 120 inch Alr screen...etc.
I am not speaking from a position of ignorance or what-if scenarios. There are people that have PCs that are less powerful than consoles, there are those that have consoles that are less powerful than PCs... but when a game runs at those console settings, there are people to whom are perfectly fine with that. If you, or anyone can afford to get a better experience, that's on them, and that's good for them... I however draw the line when they feel it's ok to talk shit about people that cant afford/choose ot to spend as much even if they could on better or try and piss on their own experiences.
I totally deplore the whole PC master race or gaming elite nonsense because to me its the most hypocritical stance in gaming. PC singlehandedly represents the lowest and highest tiers of gaming. not even consoles. And yet, the average PC enthusiast ignorantly talks like very PC gamer games at 4K60fps+ at ultra settings. hen they are in the absolute best position to know better. How is that t disingenuous and hypocritical? There is no PC gamer on this planet that can teme they know how to find and buy the absolute best hardware that PCs have to offer... know how to go into their settings in every game and dial everything up to 11..but somehow are oblivious to the fact that there are lower settings or less capable PC hardware out there.
But listen to yourself... you asked, why should a person with i9 + 4090 care about the average performance PCs.... so why is it ok for them to care about the console's experience? Which mind you, is better than the average overall PC performance in general. That doesn't seem odd to you?
And you keep talking about how PC payers arent a monolith unless I am mistaking your meaning.. to me that literally in this case would suggest that I am claiming they are all one body.
I am not... I am not talking about All PCgamers.. Hell, I am one of them.I am talking about that vocal minority.
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Guilty_AI
Gold Member
If your problem is with forum warring, this is far from a one way road. I've seen just as much (if not more) console players shitting on pc and its players, in this very thread you see people saying stuff like "if you're using a 1650, why not just get a Series S!!" while blissfully ignorant many people buy a laptop with low end cards because they need a pc and also want a gaming machine, and this is cheaper than getting a PC+console combo.
Also, whatever "elite" you're describing is just a strawman, i have never seen a single individual that has all the characteristics you're describing.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
OverHeat
« generous god »
Setsuna Mudou
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
Make no mistake, I give it to them too. Especially in console-centric threads with all that talk about graphics and shit.
This however is a PC-centric thread. And I just thought it interesting to poi out that the majority of PC gamers are actually on hardware that is less performant than a PS5. This isn't even something I ever hose to take a closer look at until this thread was made. Out of just sheer curiosity.
But I have never been one to suggest or tell anyone that one way or the other is the better way for anyone to spend their time or money. Or that what I can do or I am into is better than what they can do or are into.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
No.
SportsFan581
Member
? Never said that it was.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Well, consider the following then:
Steam has around 130 million active users, saying "the majority" here is meaningless as a minority of this value might just correspond to the amount of ps5s in the wild. In fact, just considering players with RTX 30xx series you'll already get from 25-30 million active users if you do the math.
Then theres also how a lot of these players are just casuals who play nothing but CS once or twice a month. Again, its pointless to just look at percentages, they're just a part of the whole picture.
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Dream-Knife
Banned
It isn't a problem once the memory leaks get fixed.
I probably won't upgrade this console gen.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I agree, too much sugar is unhealthy.
OverHeat
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Setsuna Mudou
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I don't even like CS, but calling CS players "casuals that play once or twice a month" is being so completely off the mark it's kind of staggering.
There's nothing casual about that game or the people that play it, i can promise you that.
Drizzlehell
Banned
"The more you buy, the less you pay" sounds about right
