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Stephen King's The Dark Tower (Book 7)

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FnordChan

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With a month and a half to go until the September 21st release date, Stephen King has posted the prologue to Book 7 of The Dark Tower featuring our heroes entering the Dixie Pig; needless to say, it kicks a fair amount of ass and bodes well for the rest of the finale.

For all of you who've been putting off reading the latest volumes, you've got six weeks to go. For any one who was waiting for the entire series to be released, wait no longer and go buy the trade paperback of The Gunslinger. (You can make do with the mass market edition, but you'll miss out on the swank illustrations that way.)

Speaking of swank illustrations, here's one of Michael Whelan's illustrations from The Dark Tower:

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Oh, hell yeah.

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Prospero

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Michael Whelan is back to finish the series up. Sweet.

Now that this book is coming out, I think I'm going to start on a read through all seven (I've got 1st ed. paperbacks of 1-4, and HCs of 5 and 6). I may buy the 1st four in HC, just for the extra luxury.

And after that's done I can start on Stephenson's Baroque Cycle, which I've been buying, but putting off until The System of the World comes out.
 

FnordChan

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Prospero said:
I may buy the 1st four in HC, just for the extra luxury.

I broke down and picked up the Grant hardcover of Wizard and Glass when it came out, and am now longing for their Dark Tower Gift Set of books 1-3. Alas, it's sold out...

And after that's done I can start on Stephenson's Baroque Cycle, which I've been buying, but putting off until The System of the World comes out.

Whereas I have the first two books already, but am waiting until I feel like lugging meaty hardback books around before reading them. I love swank hardbacks and all, but they aren't exactly up there with paperbacks in the convienence department...

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Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
I don't even recall why I picked up book 1, but I did on a whim about a month ago and now I'm hooked. Huge fan of spaghetti westerns + moderate Tolkien fan = I am putty in Stephen King's hands. It's really great. On book 3 now.
 

Prospero

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By the way, if you pre-order the book from michaelwhelan.com ($40), you get it signed by Whelan with a free 6 x 9 bookplate of Whelan's alternative cover concept. Head over there and take a look--he's also selling the cover paintings for Piers Anthony's "On a Pale Horse" ($15,000) and a Michael Moorcock novel (38,000 freakin' dollars, and I can't imagine who'd want to hang this on their wall at that price):

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Azala

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Oooh oooh, Crimson King! Sweet!

I am so thrilled Whelan is back to finish the series artwork. Of all the artists in the series, he was the one that represented it the best in my opinion. I'm glad King shared the same opinion as me and asked him back.

Damn, now I have to scrape up money for that book *sigh*
 

pops619

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I'll be getting this ASAP. The Dark Tower series has been most of my summer reading, and I can't wait to see how it ends.
 

FnordChan

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And the wait is finally over. Volume 7 of the series, The Dark Tower, is now available in bookstores. I snagged my copy last night over at the local Borders and look forward to having some time to start in on it late this evening. For those of you who have been waiting for the whole series to be over and done with (my roommate, for example), well, here ya go. If you can't rush out and buy the book right away, you can still read the prologue, courtesy of King's website. There's also a good interview with the Guardian about King's life in general.

I'll be back with comments and spoiler discussion before too much longer, probably sometime this weekend.

FnordChan, who has been waiting for this book since, oh, 1987
 

DarkAngyl

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It's out? Damnit! I have to wait until this weekend, but then I will race to Borders. Man I can't wait. I've been reading this series for, what seems like, forever. Since The Drawing of the Three first came out. Years and fuckingyears. And it's going to cap off with Whelan art. That just fucking rocks. I cannot wait!
 
I have never been on the edge of my seat with a book as I was for the ending of Wizard and Glass. All the build ups for RF mixing from so many of King's books had me literally sweating while reading.

However that was years ago, and I haven't read book 5 yet. I used to get really worried that King wouldn't finish this set. When I heard he got hit by the van I was mortified. But now it's complete.

Time to get back on the path of the beam.
 

Prospero

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Yesterday I ordered Book 7 and the hardcover, revised edition of 1--sometime before year's end I'll read all seven straight through. Only problem is that The System of the World is on its way to me as well, and I've been waiting for that so I can read The Baroque Cycle in one go. Decisions, decisions. Life is too short.
 

Vlad

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Claus said:
I heard King said the ending was going to be a letdown for fans of the series. :(

That seems rather silly.. do you have a source for that? I mean, sure, there's the fact that it's going to be tough to end a series that has been around for as long as this has, but knowing that it's going to be a letdown strikes me as a little strange.

On the other hand, I haven't even read book 6 yet, so I'll definitely be staying out of this thread to avoid any spoilers...
 

FnordChan

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Claus said:
I heard King said the ending was going to be a letdown for fans of the series. :(

I believe King may have said something along the lines of "after all the years of waiting, it's almost impossible to live up to that sort of hype", but I doubt he just flat out said, "Yeah, it sucks. Sorry, guys."

Prospero, I saw System of the World sitting there when I went to snag DT7, though I'll have to buy it another day. I hope to start reading Quicksilver after I'm done with The Dark Tower and Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell.

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SyNapSe

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I am STILL on Wolves.. I need to get a move on! but.. I just bought the Star Wars Trilogy, so it's going on hold for a bit again. :(
 

FoneBone

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I just got it today... it'll be at least a few days until I start reading it.

I peeked at the ending, though. I suck.
 

nitewulf

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Prospero said:
Yesterday I ordered Book 7 and the hardcover, revised edition of 1--sometime before year's end I'll read all seven straight through. Only problem is that The System of the World is on its way to me as well, and I've been waiting for that so I can read The Baroque Cycle in one go. Decisions, decisions. Life is too short.

uh, so why did you order book 7 now, assuming you havent read any of the other books yet?

fnordchan, i wonder how quicksilver is. stephenson is so on and off for me. i've been trying to finish cryptonomicon for months.
 

Prospero

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nitewulf said:
uh, so why did you order book 7 now, assuming you havent read any of the other books yet?

I read book 1 way back in the day (when it first came out in paperback in nineteen-eighty-whatever), and I read books 2, 3, and 4 when they came out as well. After that, though, I figured that I may as well wait until the whole seven-book series was done, because with the long wait between books I was having to re-read the earlier ones each time anyway.

When book 5 came out last year, book 1 was reissued in hardcover with revised and added text (presumably to correct plot inconsistencies, but I don't know). The HC reissues of books 2, 3, and 4 are unchanged from the first-edition trade paperbacks (which I still have from years ago), and I already have books 5 and 6. So the "canonical" Dark Tower is the revised book 1 and books 2-7, with the novella that appeared in the Legends collection as ancillary material, and a number of books like Insomnia, The Stand, Hearts in Atlantis, The Eyes of the Dragon, and Black House that connect to the Dark Tower world.

So, yeah, that's why I bought the new Book 1, and book 7.
 

nitewulf

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uh, i see what you're saying. actually that legends novella is what got me into reading the series in the first place. i love 'the 3 sisters of eluria'. so much so that i commissioned my sister in law into painting me the cover,

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Fusebox

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ArcadeStickMonk said:
I have never been on the edge of my seat with a book as I was for the ending of Wizard and Glass. All the build ups for RF mixing from so many of King's books had me literally sweating while reading.

However that was years ago, and I haven't read book 5 yet. I used to get really worried that King wouldn't finish this set. When I heard he got hit by the van I was mortified. But now it's complete.

Time to get back on the path of the beam.

This is me exactly - its been so, so long... do I start from the start again or just hope I can remember enough of the world from the 1st 4 books that I can get back into it?

I wonder how much my "Stephen King - Words Are His Power" t-shirt and entire collection of published novels is worth these days?
 

SyNapSe

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Prospero said:
So the "canonical" Dark Tower is the revised book 1 and books 2-7, with the novella that appeared in the Legends collection as ancillary material, and a number of books like Insomnia, The Stand, Hearts in Atlantis, The Eyes of the Dragon, and Black House that connect to the Dark Tower world.

So, yeah, that's why I bought the new Book 1, and book 7.

It's pretty funny you mention this, as book 5 begins a pretty huge twisting of stories with
'Salem's Lot'. He definately has tied tidbits and small side stories into tons of the books, but there is a lot of Salems Lot background type stuff in Wolves of the Calla.. at least so far through what I have read.

I spoiler-tagged just in case.. there aren't really any direct story spoilers, but I thought I'd be careful.
 

Prospero

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nitewulf said:
uh, i see what you're saying. actually that legends novella is what got me into reading the series in the first place. i love 'the 3 sisters of eluria'. so much so that i commissioned my sister in law into painting me the cover.

Nice painting. Those Legends books are examples of marketing genius--you buy one in order to get the material from one writer (in my case I bought it for Stephen King and Tad Williams) and then get hooked into buying the trilogies and series from the other writers in the volume.

SyNapSe: interesting. That's one of the few King novels I haven't read, and it's recently been reissued in hardcover as well. Maybe I'll read that before I start the Dark Tower books--I doubt I'll read them again in my life, so I want all the background material I can possibly get before starting.
 

Scrow

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Not the biggest fan of how Roland looks in that picture. I've always imagined him to look like this guy.

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;P

In fact, a lot of DT artwork doesn't mesh with how I've imagined it.
 

Prospero

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I'm glad that they brought Michael Whelan back to finish out the series, since he's by far my favorite SF/fantasy artist--not so much for his portraits of characters, but because of the way he places small figures in amazing, sprawling environments. He seems like the right choice to do this book for me (assuming that the storyline involves lots of Towers and Beams and whatnot).

I have to go with The Drawing of the Three for the illustrations that most fit my idea of Roland, though (but I don't think Whelan's Roland is bad, either).
 
Prospero said:
Nice painting. Those Legends books are examples of marketing genius--you buy one in order to get the material from one writer (in my case I bought it for Stephen King and Tad Williams) and then get hooked into buying the trilogies and series from the other writers in the volume.

SyNapSe: interesting. That's one of the few King novels I haven't read, and it's recently been reissued in hardcover as well. Maybe I'll read that before I start the Dark Tower books--I doubt I'll read them again in my life, so I want all the background material I can possibly get before starting.
Have you read all of the other DT connected novels ? (Insomnia, Black House, Hearts in Atlantis, Everything's Eventual, etc) ?
 

Prospero

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LinesInTheSand said:
Have you read all of the other DT connected novels ? (Insomnia, Black House, Hearts in Atlantis, Everything's Eventual, etc) ?

I've read Insomnia, The Talisman, Black House, The Stand, Hearts in Atlantis, and The Eyes of the Dragon. I have Everything's Eventual (got it as a bargain-bin hardcover), but haven't read it yet, and didn't know that it was connected. I also haven't read the book that SyNapSe mentioned in his spoiler tag.

Is there anything else I'm missing?
 

FnordChan

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nitewulf said:
fnordchan, i wonder how quicksilver is. stephenson is so on and off for me. i've been trying to finish cryptonomicon for months.

I originally got, oh, 70 or so pages into it before stalling out. Not that I disliked it, mind you, I just got distracted by something else and didn't get back to it. I was given The Confusion as a birthday present earlier this year, so I reckon I'll pick up System of the World on faith and read 'em all the way through - just as soon as I finish the two meaty hardcovers on my reading agenda. My understanding is that Quicksilver is rather love it or hate it - you'll either get into it or you won't. Apparently The Confusion is less polarizing and has more action thrown in. Is there anything in particular in Cryptonomicon that's keeping you from getting into it?

Prospero, I decided to skip the revised edition of The Gunslinger. When you re-read it, could you jump in with a few comments? My understanding is that it mostly just fixed continuity errors, but I'm not sold on buying another copy for the sake of minor changes.

FnordChan
 
Prospero said:
I've read Insomnia, The Talisman, Black House, The Stand, Hearts in Atlantis, and The Eyes of the Dragon. I have Everything's Eventual (got it as a bargain-bin hardcover), but haven't read it yet, and didn't know that it was connected. I also haven't read the book that SyNapSe mentioned in his spoiler tag.

Is there anything else I'm missing?
Those are the most important ones. Everything's Eventual has The Little Sisters of Eluria and one of the other stories ties into Dark Tower 7.
 

Prospero

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FnordChan said:
Prospero, I decided to skip the revised edition of The Gunslinger. When you re-read it, could you jump in with a few comments? My understanding is that it mostly just fixed continuity errors, but I'm not sold on buying another copy for the sake of minor changes.

Okay, though it might be some time before I get to it.

My understanding is that there are something like 35 additional pages, and revised text throughout.
 

nitewulf

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Nice painting. Those Legends books are examples of marketing genius--you buy one in order to get the material from one writer (in my case I bought it for Stephen King and Tad Williams) and then get hooked into buying the trilogies and series from the other writers in the volume.

yep, i borrowed the first one from the library to check out the A Song of Ice and Fire novella, never read any fantasy before that, just wanted to get a feel for it. The Little Sisters of Eluria was the first novella in the collection and it just sucked me right in, overall though I felt the ASoI&F novella was the best one in there.

Is there anything in particular in Cryptonomicon that's keeping you from getting into it?

cryptonomicon is far too lengthy for it's own good. the book is written from the point of view of several characters that span several time periods. namely the ww2 era and the late 90's. the ww2 period chronicles two characters, a math wiz and an elite marine. exploits of both characters are fantastic, big sense of tension and adventure.

when we move forward to the 90's we deal with some IT dude (he is linked to the story mind you), but his portions are devilishly booooooooring. consequently the book feels incoherent and jarring. i just feel it (the novel) didnt need to be this long, if he had just told the story without pacing it so deliberately, it would have been a much better novel.
 

Nerevar

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FnordChan said:
Salem's Lot. It isn't crucial to the scheme or anything, but it has been tied in directly with the Dark Tower.

FnordChan


I was under the impression that the Dark Tower series relates in some way (be it directly or indirectly) to every novel Stephen King has ever written (i.e. it ties them all together in various ways), with some books just being related much more strongly (Stand, Eyes of the Dragon) than others.
 

Azala

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You would be right. I think every single book he has ever written has some sort of dark tower tie in or reference. It's really cool when you go back and see them all.

And of course Roland looks like Clint Eastwood, King himself admitted to modeling Roland after him specifically... of course it kind of blows my attraction for Roland, aside from the fact that sleeping with him is a death sentence *smirk*
 
Azala said:
You would be right. I think every single book he has ever written has some sort of dark tower tie in or reference. It's really cool when you go back and see them all.

And of course Roland looks like Clint Eastwood, King himself admitted to modeling Roland after him specifically... of course it kind of blows my attraction for Roland, aside from the fact that sleeping with him is a death sentence *smirk*
WTF? Clint Eastwood is the ultimate hardass. Every woman wants him.
 

FnordChan

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Nerevar said:
I was under the impression that the Dark Tower series relates in some way (be it directly or indirectly) to every novel Stephen King has ever written (i.e. it ties them all together in various ways), with some books just being related much more strongly (Stand, Eyes of the Dragon) than others.

Yep, that's about right. You can find a roadmap connecting the Dark Tower books with major tie-in novels here; note that there are spoilers right after the map, so careful what you read.

Nitewulf, I actually rather enjoyed the modern day storyline once I got into it. It took a couple hundred pages, but once everything kicked in I was thoroughly enjoying the interaction between the different plot threads in Cryptonomicon; so, if you're still not digging on the Randy Waterhouse sections, it may be that it'll start to do something for you once you get a bit further in the book. Or, you're rather far into it already and just aren't going to be thrilled by the contemporary passages, period.

FnordChan
 

nitewulf

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no, im almost done with the book, maybe 150 pages left. i love how he describes randy's geekiness, with lots of computer/tech lingo. i get that, and i can relate to it, in fact its awesome how i sometimes think in the same manner.
but aside from that sort of character development, he just isnt making randy do much of anything IMO. i'll finish it up, but for the most part i loved the ww2 stuff and not the modern stuff.
 

Prospero

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FnordChan--the revised Gunslinger was sitting on my front porch when I got home from work, so I quickly spotchecked it against the 1988 edition, a few pages here and there. The changes I see are small, but significant.

First off, for those into book design, the revised Gunslinger has reset type and is on acid-free paper. (My copies of DT 1-4 have already gone yellow, and my Wizard and Glass isn't even ten years old. If the new Viking hardcovers are all acid-free, as I think they are, that might push me over the edge into buying them--I may not read the series again, but my kids might, if/when I have any. The Grant hardcovers of DT 5-7 don't say they're acid-free, but those books are printed on such nice stock compared to even the reissues of 1-4 that it's hard to imagine they're not.)

Anyway. There are two kinds of changes to the text I see immediately. The first is stylistic, and it touched almost every single paragraph I looked at. Here's a comparison of the openings.

1988:

The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

The desert was the apotheosis of all deserts, huge, standing to the sky for what might have been parsecs in all directions. White; blinding; waterless; without feature save for the faint, cloudy haze of the mountains which sketched themselves on the horizon and the devil-grass which brought sweet dreams, nightmares, death. An occasional tombstone sign pointed the way, for once the drifted track that cut its way through the thick crust of alkali had been a highway and coaches had followed it. The world had moved on since then. The world had emptied.


2003:

The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

The desert was the apotheosis of all deserts, huge, standing to the sky for what looked like eternity in all directions. It was white and blinding and waterless and without feature save for the faint, cloudy haze of the mountains which sketched themselves on the horizon and the devil-grass which brought sweet dreams, nightmares, death. An occasional tombstone sign pointed the way, for once the drifted track that cut its way through the thick crust of alkali had been a highway. Coaches and buckas had followed it. The world had moved on since then. The world had emptied.


The tone of the new Gunslinger is slightly less pretentious and high-fantasy (fewer semicolons, e.g.) and reads a bit easier.

The second change is that there are lots of additional details to the world in the new version that aren't in the old one. Again, from the opening pages, when Roland lights a fire in the desert using devil-grass:

1988:

He struck his spark to the dry, shredded grass and lay down upwind, letting the dreamsmoke blow out toward the waste.

2003:

He laid the flint down the steel rod and struck his spark to the dry, shredded grass, mumbling the old and powerful nonsense words as he did: "Spark-a-dark, where's my sire? Will I lay me? Will I stay me? Bless this camp with fire." It was strange how some of childhood's words and ways fell at the wayside and were left behind, while others clamped tight and rode for life, growing the heavier to carry as time passed.

He lay down upwind of his little blazon, letting the dreamsmoke blow out toward the waste.


What I liked about the first edition of the Gunslinger was the minimalism of the world in which it took place--almost nothing was described in detail. Much of that is gone in the new edition (as far as I can tell), but the writing style of the new edition is more in line with the style of the later books in the DT series (from DT3 on, I'd say).
 
FnordChan said:
Yep, that's about right. You can find a roadmap connecting the Dark Tower books with major tie-in novels here; note that there are spoilers right after the map, so careful what you read.

that map is pretty cool, as well as the little things that is put there to connect the stories. dammit, why does amazon have to be so slow with my order?

anyone read this yet?



how about this one?



I'm getting the second one with my order from Amazon. I hope it's actually somewhat in-depth, because I would love to know more about this universe.
 

FnordChan

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Prospero, thanks for the quick spot-check. I dunno when I'm going to get around to re-reading The Gunslinger, but when I do I'll probably check the revised edition out of the library and see how it goes. As for hardcovers, I've got the Grant editions for Wizard and Glass on, and am considering breaking and buying the current hardcovers for the first three books.

Nitewulf, if it's any consolation the finale of Cryptonomicon brings everything together rather nicely and makes it clear what Randy Waterhouse is up to.

FnordChan
 

Azala

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The Concordance isn't so great. It's basically a look up source. You search by name or topic and it gives you a short definition and what pages to go to in the original series to find a more in depth answer. It's nice if you are cross referencing the books or trying to refresh your memory on say "Sisters of Eluria" or the name of Susannah's mother. But doesn't function as much else.

The way I understand it Bev's book will be more of what you are looking for. However it's not released for a few more days (bah was thinking of Aladdin). Bev's been posting on the unofficial Dark Tower forum I hang out at, and I think he's got some pretty good ideas. The book should be very thorough and very useful.

I've also heard about "The Stephen King Universe" which is supposed to list all the dark tower tie ins and so forth from the other books and help bring them all together for you. But I have not picked up a copy yet.

I do agree the new revised Gunslinger is better, though a few of the changes were hard to swallow. I went through and read it with the original word for word and found every addition, subtraction and change and overall I liked the revision better. The hardcover of the revision as well as the re-released versions of the books, and the acid free pages are sweet. Now the only book I need to replace is Wizard and Glass, which is still a soft cover, because that's how it was released originally (I believe, since it was the only thing I could find when I got it when it came out) for some strange reason... I'll need to replace that soon.
 

nitewulf

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hmm i got the viking hardcovers of 1-4, and i'd highly recommend them for your collection. but "wolves of the calla" and "song of susannah" are both grant hardcovers. viking did not have the copyrights or something? rather how come king switched publishers?
 

SyNapSe

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Azala said:
I've also heard about "The Stephen King Universe" which is supposed to list all the dark tower tie ins and so forth from the other books and help bring them all together for you. But I have not picked up a copy yet.

Azala,

It sounds like you are big into this. I've read a ton of S.K.'s books over the years, but had never begun the Dark tower series until recently. Mostly due to it being A. a series, and B. Unfinished

I really got started on it after getting linked (possibly from here) to that darktower.net or whatever site that ties a lot of things together. I thought, huh, that is so cool.

Now down to the real question of my post. It sounds like you are very well versed in all of this.. If I remember correctly.. one time while viewing a darktower type site I could swear there was a lot of speculation that King himself was an author to one of these compilation style books. Could you comment on this? If I remember correctly the thing was that one of the books had information that just couldn't be directly extrapolated from the original material. That would be quite fun to read through if true.
 
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