I also liked how they turned the usual horror movie trope of the virgin being the one to survive on its head. Barb wants to play it safe and keep Nance from sleeping with Steve and she's the one who gets offed while Nance and Steve survive.
I also liked how they turned the usual horror movie trope of the virgin being the one to survive on its head. Barb wants to play it safe and keep Nance from sleeping with Steve and she's the one who gets offed while Nance and Steve survive.
Why wasn't there a bear trap in the upside-down world? The monster should have still been stuck in the trap if it switched dimensions?
Just a nitpick since it was a fantastic show.
We don't ever see cars or other small household items in the Upside Down, so I imagine only large enough objects or lasting man-made structures (buildings, etc) will leave a mark on it. It could just be a plot hole as well.
Yes, correct. I'm still not sure that every object is represented 1:1 there though. And as I said, even if the creature was still caught in the bear trap, it could break free. It was strong enough to break doors, pull a grown man hooked to a steel cable, etc.They passed some cars when they were following the blood trail, just before that Hopper found a stuffed animal that reminded him of his daughter's toy and there were those blankets Mike was laying on. So small objects are all over the place.
You bring a valid point. Was Castle Byers destroyed in our reality when the monster tore it down in the Upside Down? Was the hole in the Byers' wall present in the Upside Down?I'll pick those nits too. Its stuff like this that has me wondering if the state of that realm was at least altered when El broke the wall separating that plain of existence from ours. Much like the creature, slugs and fungul guck aren't normally visible on our level of reality, physical objects here couldn't be interacted or seen there. And that a quick dirty frozen snapshot of our view of reality was super imposed over the upside down when El broke the barrier.
I hope that at some point during a future season, while exploring the Upside Down the kids encounter a survivalist human who has been stuck there for a long time...
Maybe S2 could be other mysterious disappearances. People who were either taken across the boundary by other creatures, or who simply fell through a crack and couldn't return. Now they're all changed, mostly for the worse.
That's probably going to be El.
The creators have said if there's more it will be a sequel.Do we know that S2 is a direct continuation or is this going to be more of an Anthology show? New Horror/Sci-Fi mashup each year? I feel like the ending could go either way. It isn't like unresolved twist endings are uncommon.
really hope will doesn't become the villain :<
i think dr. brenner isn't dead and will return, he's the actor that revealed season 2 is in the works after all during some interview if i'm not mistaken
As I said in the main thread, best thing netflix has ever done. Fucking amazing first season.
I thought I would be a little bit bothered by the fact that they never really explained the lore or reasoning behind the portal into the USD and how it came into existence in the first place, but it really doesn't at all, at least not yet.
I would so be on board with season 2 being something like 10 years later, but if they stick with the same cast and timeline, I'm totally okay with that too.
I also think that is the real Will, but he's definitely been affected by the USD.
had them tears rollin when 11 sacrificed herself man. that shit was rough. hard to say if she's still alive though.
ugh...i need season two like right fucking now.
And El just HAS to be alive, right?
Regarding the reasoning, just to state the obvious perhaps, but the portal originated from the first contact event between El and that being while she was "expanding her mind" in that watertank.
And El just HAS to be alive, right? The show was kind of gloomy at some points, but surely not gloomy to the point where they're not going to give that poor abused thing a happy ending! And I don't think they'd put the eggo hint at the end either if it didn't mean anything.
Yeah, I think the Eggo was them saying she survived somehow. How Hopper knows she is alive and how they orchestrated this drop off location is something I'd really like to know.
Do we know that S2 is a direct continuation or is this going to be more of an Anthology show? New Horror/Sci-Fi mashup each year? I feel like the ending could go either way. It isn't like unresolved twist endings are uncommon.
they said a follow up would feel more like a "sequel" than a "season 2", whatever that means
traditional horror sequels keep the villain / setting and change the cast except maybe the surviving hero from last movie, might be a "years later" type scenatio, who knows
He did step into that car right before the 1 month skip, didn't he? Might be he learned something thanks to those people.
Yeah, I think the Eggo was them saying she survived somehow. How Hopper knows she is alive and how they orchestrated this drop off location is something I'd really like to know.
they said a follow up would feel more like a "sequel" than a "season 2", whatever that means
traditional horror sequels keep the villain / setting and change the cast except maybe the surviving hero from last movie, might be a "years later" type scenatio, who knows
I'm team "he didn't sell the kids out" and El knew that they would come to her in the School.
Well, they did specifically say that it wouldn't be an anthology, didn't they?
Also, we have hoppers daughter and that toy thing unresolved. The Mike thing unresolved. El's storyline is unresolved. They seem to be setting up Steve-Nancy-Jonathan as a love triangle type of deal. Hopper's doing the whole secret agent thing apparently.
Point being, I don't think there is any way that they're not bringing back the original cast.
Yeah, but why would the company keep her in the Upside Down? Surely she is worth more to them as a lab rat. She missed the Snow Ball. Damn them.
There is no thing with Hoppers daughter. I think people are reading way too much into that. It was a scene juxtapositioning the death of his daughter and how it haunted him with the fact he was finally able to save a child. I also don't think the toys looked that similar but maybe that's just me
I was actually going to say the same, you beat me to it.There is no thing with Hoppers daughter. I think people are reading way too much into that. It was a scene juxtapositioning the death of his daughter and how it haunted him with the fact he was finally able to save a child. I also don't think the toys looked that similar but maybe that's just me
I also don't think the toys looked that similar but maybe that's just me
I don't think it's a case of them keeping her there, but rather them not being able to get her out of there.
Yeah, I could see that. Maybe they don't know that the creature is dead so they don't want to risk more lives going after her.
You bring a valid point. Was Castle Byers destroyed in our reality when the monster tore it down in the Upside Down? Was the hole in the Byers' wall present in the Upside Down?
Are we sure the creature is dead? It just went up in those ash-like things right? I don't think we've actually ever explicitly seen the monster phaseshifting with or without a victim, so we don't really know what that actually looks like, but we do know that the upsidedown and the area surrounding the tears have those ash-like particles in the air. So yeah, I don't think El killed it, but rather just went with it to the upsidedown to keep it there.
I'd like to think she killed it when she went all Jean (or Jane in this case) Grey on it. It'd be pretty anti-climatic if all she did was teleport them to the Upside Down.
If we're going off of the assumption that she isn't in fact dead, then her disappearing together with the being can only mean a limited amount of things. I think it's far more plausible that the being teleported them both to the upsidedown than it is that her killing the being somehow results in both of them going up in smoke.
Besides, what's anti-climactic about her potentially being in a constant struggle to keep that thing under control on the other side!
If we're going off of the assumption that she isn't in fact dead, then her disappearing together with the being can only mean a limited amount of things. I think it's far more plausible that the being teleported them both to the upsidedown than it is that her killing the being somehow results in both of them going up in smoke.
Besides, what's anti-climactic about her potentially being in a constant struggle to keep that thing under control on the other side!
Will was totally an incubator for more of those creatures, wasn't he? Its "face mouth" was pretty leech-like after all.
One thing that kinda bugs me. When Barb goes missing, why isn't Jonathan immediately the first suspect. He was creepily taking pictures of everyone that night...
The tear was opened in the lab by El when she freaked out when Brenner made her make contact. Perfect for the story.I thought wouldn't it be cool if the tear isn't opened from another dimension, but instead a future where CERN has opened a tear up letting things into our world.
I do wonder if El is Hoppers daughter somehow.
I'll pick those nits too. Its stuff like this that has me wondering if the state of that realm was at least altered when El broke the wall separating that plain of existence from ours. Much like the creature, slugs and fungul guck aren't normally visible on our level of reality, physical objects here couldn't be interacted or seen there. And that a quick dirty frozen snapshot of our view of reality was super imposed over the upside down when El broke the barrier.
So that bear trap would be in the same place it was when El created the gateway. Instead of wherever it would be in the present, in the hallway or clamped to the Demogorgon.
They passed some cars when they were following the blood trail, just before that Hopper found a stuffed animal that reminded him of his daughter's toy and there were those blankets Mike was laying on. So small objects are all over the place.
I don't get where all these theories are coming from, not everything is convulted it was a pretty straightforward story. And this is not specifically aimed at who I quoted but as more people finish I keep seeing posts speculating answers for questions that either were answered or not asked in the first place.
I do wonder if El is Hoppers daughter somehow.
One thing that kinda bugs me. When Barb goes missing, why isn't Jonathan immediately the first suspect. He was creepily taking pictures of everyone that night...
Yes.Wasnt it all but confirmed that El was the Daughter of the lady in the wheelchair who supposedly had a "miscarriage" but kept claiming she had actually gave birth to a child with telepathic abilities before she became mute?