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Street Fighter V |OTVII| New Generation - Connection To Haters Was Lost
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V-reversals should be good, period
they already cost you activating the best or second best move in your arsenal. also the guy with the best, permanent v-trigger loses v-reversals, and the game is lacking on defensive options
on paper, this is great design!
but the V-Reversals have to be useful
Yup, they need to be better somehow, across the board.
TheSpoiler
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Fug.
At least we don't have to wait long for new info.
Even if it's probably an outline with a lighter gradient.
At least we don't have to wait long for new info.
Even if it's probably an outline with a lighter gradient.
UcchedavÄda
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Reizo Ryuu
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He says aegis reflector...
Ucchedavāda;232437706 said:
Okay, you're right. I hear it now. He's just draggin out the aeeeegis part. And I never hear the 'reflector,' because shenanigans usually follow.
Alex and Urien's English VA in V really deserve a lot of praise for trying to capture their SF3 voices. I love hearing them talk in fights.
ya they did good
Alex's "back it up" when he V-Reversals is probably my favorite voice clip in the game.
I've been a huge fan with Urien's VA in this one. After the travesty of SF4's Dudley voice, I feared the worst. But this guy nailed it, not identical, but he nailed the tone.
UcchedavÄda
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Other than the fact that he had a English accent, it was nothing like his SF3 edition. It's not even the same TYPE of English accent. SF3's voice is regal confidence. SF4 is Mr Belvedere.
Thicc
UcchedavÄda
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Not as thicc as Gief, though.
Bro, don't you have any dignity? Such a gutter trash opinion.
sixteen-bit
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how are they gonna put dudley in the game without that iconic line?
Maybe we'll finally get to see a completed version of the SFII Bison stage. (We probably still won't get it though. LOL)
sixteen-bit
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Adon wasn't honest. I know cuz I mained him. His unique wakeup timing fucked up many a Christmas.
A strong character archetype in SF4 that was good without being tricky was Feilong imo.
The 3S voice sounded much better, yeah, although I can't attest to how good his acting was since Dudley had like a dozen lines that weren't grunts in that game. I think his 4/xT voice actor is also very good even if he doesn't sound as badass. This is a weird comparison but his 3S actor better matches his 3S sprite whereas his current voice actor fits his art and 3D model better. It's probably those shadowy eyes that makes me think he should sound harder.
Old Dudley came off more like an asshole, too (especially in NG where almost every fighter was more of an asshole than they are now).
SolarPowered
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The voice acting of the former is really the only part about Alex that is unequivocally good. Not like his animations where everything is amazing, but somehow they completely flubbed his standing animation.
Season 3 should pull a Guilty Gear in season 3 and give new moves to everyone that isn't Cammy or Gief. Guile may be near perfect, but he has needed a new special for a while now, Alex is missing spiral DDT, Ibuki needs her old kick special back and Karin could use counters, her air grab or her command throw. Honestly an air throw would have helped her air to air game more than an air target combo I've never even seen in use months after being added in.
Fun Fact: Urien's English VA, Bill Rogers, also voices Brock in the Pokémon anime
& King Rhoam in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
But yeah, they hit it out of the park with Alex & Urien's English voices.
Nah, only Eric Stuart is Brock to me.
I definitely want to see new moves added to certain characters -- not necessarily for the sake of balance, but for better representing their fight styles and personalities.
Ryu - Jodan Sokutogeri
Chun-Li - some of the moves she had in the first demo build
Rashid - unique throw against crouching opponent where he vaults/leapfrogs over them (to play up his parkour style)
Laura - Seans tackle mount or something similar to it (she doesnt really feel like a BJJ character at the moment)
Necalli - something that makes use of his melty sludge powers
Ibuki - one or more of her missing moves
Rickenslacker
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Blondist.
I like the new Karin but I was really hopeful of her being her traditional form in SFV. I heard mention that the rationale behind it was that rekkas would be OP, but fine as a V-Trigger option, but even still I found her V-Trig mixup in S1 pretty ass and a bad gamble for her. It's better now that the overhead is safe on block, but I'd be more of a fan of her having her regular rekkas back, even if it was VT only.
Reizo Ryuu
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Ibuki isn't really missing moves though, she simply isn't at the point in her life where she has her toolset of 3s. Same with how ryu doens't have the donkey kick yet.
If capcom is smart, they will just quickly redo SF3 with a cinematic story and update characters with moves they had from.
If capcom is smart, they will just quickly redo SF3 with a cinematic story and update characters with moves they had from.
Did she not have the moves in SIV tho?
But she has those moves in IV, which takes place before V.
Reizo Ryuu
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SF3 characters in sf4 aren't canon, Ibuki would've been like...11 years old but just as tall and skilled as her 3S version.
Did Capcom ever say that?
Solid and honest aren't really the same thing though (Fei was far from honest too, I know cause he was my secondary through the Super 4 iterations). Personally I'd like a character who's design doesn't revolve around guessing or waiting to land one move that leads to some VTC combo for 500 dmg. I want the neutral. I mentioned Adon not just cause I like the character but because I like his ranges and general approach. No one is really piquing my interest at the moment (for a secondary). I wanted to play Juri but she is serious heavy lifting. I do love Urien but I think I even saw my grandma playing him and doing training mode combos in ranked. I was considering putting some time into Sim or Gief just to change it up. The new characters just aren't doing it for me.
Reizo Ryuu
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I don't know? They don't have to though, the teens don't fit in the story because of their ages. Dudley might work, but their stories are just throwaway garbage anyway with no relevance to the sf4 characters; Ibuki literally sneaks out of her village so she can meet hot guys to bang...that's her entire sf4 "story".
Evil ryu and Oni aren't canon either.
Evil ryu and Oni aren't canon either.
From my understanding, they are. SF4 was a soft reboot, and I believe capcom said themselves that they disregarded the characters ages or rather when they were born.
To amplify this point, that game has a dead character in it, brought back to life, because they wanted to make a new character.
So capcom doesn't really half of a shit about most sf lore particulars before 4
Its called a retcon
They said they opposite, they said IIRC they are disregarding the characters ages
They disregarded the ages of characters, and oni and evil ryu are alternate timelines.
Or they just retconned it. They retconned everything that happened after sf2.
Reizo Ryuu
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You're gonna have to post some receipts because that's the first time I've heard they rebooted 3s characters ages.
You might've miscontrued "disregarding their ages", if that was ever said. They could've just meant they put them in there for fun.
You might've miscontrued "disregarding their ages", if that was ever said. They could've just meant they put them in there for fun.
Fudging up a few story details/ages/dates is no big deal in a fighting game tbh. Otherwise Gief should be depicted in his sixties or something by now, given that his old stages used to reference the Soviet Union. But I would think the reason Ibuki and Sakura are shown to be friends in SFV is because they met in SFIV, so there's gotta be some "canonicity" there.
I don't think Capcom has ever exliclity said it was an outright soft reboot, but its pretty apperent. As mention above, Ibuki already knows who sakura and Karin are.
Geif should be old,
Akuma looks completely different and is going a completely different path, than how he ends up in sf3. While isn't going oni, he's going a more bestial path would should be a giant indicator that they are changing things around. Along with Gouken still being alive and Ryu not going to the Darkside and Akuma being rather content with the notion.
Seth, being an obvious 12 prototype that got waaay out of hand.
Edit: Thanks for mentioning it the gap between 4 and 3 isn't that large, this game takes place in between 3 years and characters in highschool can still be in highschool
And I think as Time goes on, and more sf3 and 4 characters are included, they will be more indicators as to the redoing of everything that happened after sf2.
Geif should be old,
Akuma looks completely different and is going a completely different path, than how he ends up in sf3. While isn't going oni, he's going a more bestial path would should be a giant indicator that they are changing things around. Along with Gouken still being alive and Ryu not going to the Darkside and Akuma being rather content with the notion.
Seth, being an obvious 12 prototype that got waaay out of hand.
Edit: Thanks for mentioning it the gap between 4 and 3 isn't that large, this game takes place in between 3 years and characters in highschool can still be in highschool
And I think as Time goes on, and more sf3 and 4 characters are included, they will be more indicators as to the redoing of everything that happened after sf2.
TheSpoiler
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The only things that have changed so far from after SF2 to SF3 are the character appearances. They really don't have to change much to make things fit since a lot of things were already ambiguous in the first place.
They've already explained Akuma's appearance in V and 3 so that's a non-issue, and disregarding ages is a thing they haven't cared about for years, just like KOF (lol)
The only thing I think they'll modify are things that were fan theories, like Gen and Gouken being SiN clones (which, can still be a thing, but it doesn't really matter either way).
Edit: To explain the Akuma thing again, the entire point of his story was that he was tapping into the bestial side without losing his humanity. He was pondering that, and then Ryu pretty much calls him out on not killing him. It's why Akuma and Ryu cool off in SF3, who will probably fight it out as rivals rather than doing it out of revenge.
They've already explained Akuma's appearance in V and 3 so that's a non-issue, and disregarding ages is a thing they haven't cared about for years, just like KOF (lol)
The only thing I think they'll modify are things that were fan theories, like Gen and Gouken being SiN clones (which, can still be a thing, but it doesn't really matter either way).
Edit: To explain the Akuma thing again, the entire point of his story was that he was tapping into the bestial side without losing his humanity. He was pondering that, and then Ryu pretty much calls him out on not killing him. It's why Akuma and Ryu cool off in SF3, who will probably fight it out as rivals rather than doing it out of revenge.
Reizo Ryuu
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SF4 is in 1994, 4 years before ibuki's appearance.
Also Ibuki had never met karin before SF5.
Also Ibuki had never met karin before SF5.
Rickenslacker
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Oh, I see. That fits. I kind of tuned out of Akuma's story mode after the whole Necalli unbirthing thing.
TheSpoiler
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The talk with Ryu was near-babble level, but basically -
Akuma kills Gen. The latter has wanted that fight and to not go out like a bitch by his student, so he's been pestering Akuma. Akuma finally caves in, even though the fight is booty hole.
Gen comments on his power, and Akuma starts to revel in that fact. This is the part people get stumped on.
Necaili is like 'sup, he gives birth to a brand new Akuma baby boy, and Akuma feels ready to fight Ryu. Again, outta character for Akuma, because Ryu has not matured yet, even with his new power. Note that during the events of V, he doesn't pester Ryu once like he did in 4.
Ryu and Akuma have a slap fight and use the stuff they learned in their Philosophy 101 class at the local community college. Ryu basically is like, my dude, why didn't you kill me since you like fighting to the death and stuff.
And Akuma's like, yeah, whatever, see ya later nerd. With a smile.
tl;dr version of this is that Akuma is reaching Oni's level of power but without going full stupid like Oni is. What holds Oni back is that he's just tossing his hands willy nilly. Akuma is a refined gentleman, so going Oni is stupid. Thus, the form you see before you. Power and speed or something like that.
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