That should do it, yeah. Could also start the level higher up so that there's a lot of ground underneath. Edit: Downloaded it and put a single block high up, and that made it scroll sufficently.
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Super Mario Maker |OT| Miyamoto Simulator 2015
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TheSlySoul
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Yep, just fixed it by putting a block on the very top left.
Seems odd it is not an option.
Reposting this from two pages back since I'd love some more feedback (especially on what I'm doing wrong) on my newest course.
It's not really perfect and it'll probably take quite a few tries to beat since it has some trial and error involved but I did my best to not make it feel too cheap and to avoid being excessive in terms of throwing shit at you just for the sake of it.
I actually think you and me may share some designing philosophy problems. Like, I know that last part is not complicated at all, but the fact that you gotta go through so many obstacles before you get there makes it feel a lot harder and having to replay the whole level, even if it's short, just because you did an intuitive action (and one that you've been doing since the start of the level) and got punished for it is not enjoyable.
Enjoyed everything else, even though it did kill me a lot lol
You may want to check out the level I just posted so you're able to see it from the other side, I think they're of a similar difficulty, though mine's way longer.
It's not really perfect and it'll probably take quite a few tries to beat since it has some trial and error involved but I did my best to not make it feel too cheap and to avoid being excessive in terms of throwing shit at you just for the sake of it.
Almost exactly in the sections boojoh mentioned, I actually reached Bowser but wasted the switch and ended up dying.
I actually think you and me may share some designing philosophy problems. Like, I know that last part is not complicated at all, but the fact that you gotta go through so many obstacles before you get there makes it feel a lot harder and having to replay the whole level, even if it's short, just because you did an intuitive action (and one that you've been doing since the start of the level) and got punished for it is not enjoyable.
Enjoyed everything else, even though it did kill me a lot lol
You may want to check out the level I just posted so you're able to see it from the other side, I think they're of a similar difficulty, though mine's way longer.
I liked it, especially the Bowser Jr. one-up, but I think I missed the scene where Q explains the clown car to Mari007.
Chris Ticehurst
Member
Just a reminder that Part 2 of my videos of Super Mario Maker is here for those who are waking up on the other side of the gaming world.
I am thinking of a shorter Part 3 and tell me if you want this to happen or not.
Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARb0BpFrxFk
I am thinking of a shorter Part 3 and tell me if you want this to happen or not.
Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARb0BpFrxFk
Fiddy
Typically yes, but your typical level gives the player a breather once in a while, and unfortunately Nintendo neglected to put in checkpoints, so dying means starting over from the beginning and not knowing how much worse it'll get difficulty-wise. That's why people seem to skip levels after a few deaths.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Beat in on my first attempt. Loved it.Reposting this from two pages back since I'd love some more feedback (especially on what I'm doing wrong) on my newest course.
It's not really perfect and it'll probably take quite a few tries to beat since it has some trial and error involved but I did my best to not make it feel too cheap and to avoid being excessive in terms of throwing shit at you just for the sake of it.
Almost exactly in the sections boojoh mentioned, I actually reached Bowser but wasted the switch and ended up dying.
I actually think you and me may share some designing philosophy problems. Like, I know that last part is not complicated at all, but the fact that you gotta go through so many obstacles before you get there makes it feel a lot harder and having to replay the whole level, even if it's short, just because you did an intuitive action (and one that you've been doing since the start of the level) and got punished for it is not enjoyable.
Enjoyed everything else, even though it did kill me a lot lol
You may want to check out the level I just posted so you're able to see it from the other side, I think they're of a similar difficulty, though mine's way longer.
For what it's worth, I beat it first try. If you're being unfair here, I didn't notice. I almost died falling off of the firebars, but managed to recover with some wall jumps and air stalls. Would've been completely my fault anyway. Nice level.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I think every 50 gets you 10
Which is ridiculous. It's honestly making me play the game less because I can no longer upload stages without deleting some first.
The increase requires too many stars. I should be lowered to 20.
50 stars : 20 upload max at the same time
150 stars : 30
Dunno about the rest.
I'm also stuck at 10/10 despite uploading courses since day -1.
Notor!ousG
Member
I've been working on an underwater level too and I know what you mean.
It could open up so many possibilities.
Hoping for DLC or update.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Yep. I'd definitely put checkpoints in my levels. It's a huge omission. Arguably the biggest one actually. Makes it so much harder to make challenging stages especially of a decent length without frustrating people.
To be fair I often forget to star courses when I play them in the 100 Mario Challenge.
I was thinking 25-30 every 10 levels would be decent. Sigh...19 to go to level 2 >_<
The problem is that people don't usually leave Stars. Commenting results in auto-starring a level, though.
Charles Brandon
Member
I wonder if we can come up with a shortcut system in place of checkpoints.
Something like a door that allows access to the second half of the level but you can only access it if you get some sort of information from the halfway point...
Something like a door that allows access to the second half of the level but you can only access it if you get some sort of information from the halfway point...
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Pikma, would you feel motivated to finish my level if I told you that Bowser bit was the last part of the stage?
Boy Wander
Member
I put hours into my recent courses and they have hardly any plays/stars. By contrast, my 10 year old was on this at the weekend when I was watching football and he uploaded a course 'Random Pipe Spiter' (sic, because it's supposed to be 'Spitter' but he spelled it wrongly). It is a very short level where both the floor and ceiling are pipes and spit out random shit. It has several stars and dozens of plays. Gutted!
SuperAngelo64
Banned
So is it against the ToS to create some levels and offer a 50$ eShop giftcard rewards to whoever can crack the overall 'theme' or 'mystery'? I used to do this in some MMO forums back in the day just for fun to build hype. Mainly in City of Heroes map creator.
I love doing shit like that. This is getting my creative juices flowing.
I love doing shit like that. This is getting my creative juices flowing.
Notor!ousG
Member
Been having thoughts about this too and I don't think it's possible.
You could make doors and pipes where all of them but one leads to your death.
But someone could just try them all out until they find the right one.
It would be great of you could put some randomness in doors.
Dagobert Duck
Member
I get that my easy boring Levels got way more plays than Any of my actually thought out Levels :/ Hope GAF will help get some more Plays And Maybe Even Stars
Charles Brandon
Member
I think I might make a random easy level with loads of goofy crap that is impossible to die on.
Having said that, it is much easier to make a good level that is hard than it is to make a fun, easy, level.
Having said that, it is much easier to make a good level that is hard than it is to make a fun, easy, level.
I might be done with this once I get PES and until I'm done with Fallout/possibly Battlefront. Right now, most the levels out there are shit and when you see the top starred ones, it's like DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING and yeah, it's cute once, but I actually want to play.
Then discover-ability is really hard. Even posting somewhere like here, it gets buried in reposts so you're lucky to get one or two plays. If they patch it, or I suddenly get an idea, I might be back. But until the kids get bored, I'm not having much of a desire to play.
Then discover-ability is really hard. Even posting somewhere like here, it gets buried in reposts so you're lucky to get one or two plays. If they patch it, or I suddenly get an idea, I might be back. But until the kids get bored, I'm not having much of a desire to play.
Notor!ousG
Member
Agree. Game is very addicitive but I've spent like 90% of my time building levels.
You place them online and then you only get a few plays.
There is way too many crap out there and the amount of levels being made is ridiculuous.
I think it will do better when the game is a few months to a year old.
And we really really need some decent filters from Nintendo.
I beat your level.
Tbh I'm not surprised that many people had trouble with your level.
My issue was that im unfamiliar with the layout of your level so I traversed it with a bit of hesitation. The P blocks certainly didn't help the situation. I also wasn't really given an indication of what was to come next so it was difficult to adapt with all previous stuff I mentioned. I had to memorize the level to a certain degree so I could get through it at a decent enough pace. I tried it about 40 times before I could beat it. I had to face against Bowser 3 times before I realized I had to wait for him to get in the right spot then press the button. I was in such a rush because of the overall pace of the level that I didn't really register that I had time to chill and deal with Bowser more strategically. In between those 3 times with bowser I was struggling to not fall off the block on the rail. Most other people won't want to have to memorize a level to beat it. The level was fun, but from a game design 101 perspective it was lacking.
Reposting this from two pages back since I'd love some more feedback (especially on what I'm doing wrong) on my newest course.
It's not really perfect and it'll probably take quite a few tries to beat since it has some trial and error involved but I did my best to not make it feel too cheap and to avoid being excessive in terms of throwing shit at you just for the sake of it.
Okay stage but you definitely want to cut down on the surprises, like the Lakitu or Thowmp you jump into and would have no idea to avoid unless you'd played that section before.
Also the flying section isn't worth trusting the coins with! You can just back up and go the lower route with no risk of getting hit.
It's nice playing GAF levels at this time, when the thread moves at a far more reasonable pace. Played something around 18 of the levels posted here and I think I at least commented here on all of them. Mario Challenge can be dumb, but GAF levels are good stuff. Need to stop for now though.
I had the same problem making my ghost house. No p-block doors, no stairs, no moving gaps, no weird searchlights to spin jump off of, no boos that turn into blocks, no coins that only appear while p-switched, no fake walls, no dynamic lighting, limited moving platforms.. ghost houses definitely suffer the most from the limitations, IMO. Maybe you'd get some inspiration from the one I posted earlier.
Lady Siara
Member
Yeah, I think if you do a part 3 it should be shorter and probably stick to one level per person.
It'd be cool seeing a video taking all of the community submissions so far for the contest and going through them. Surely those aren't very long or difficult.
Hey, thanks for such detailed feedback.
The couple of reasons I keep Yoshi optional in these; I want the path to finding Yoshi to be fairly well hidden. Not with random out of the way hidden ? blocks, but tough to find. I don't want players to get frustrated with that and make it a requirement if they just want to beat the course. Yoshi is like a hard to find Star / Coin in other Mario games. The second point is there are a limited number of ways to truly make Yoshi a requirement (ie; players not being asked to brute force through), and while I could add a little variety to things like spikey stair cases and thwomp floors, it'd limit my design options.
Regarding the secret 'intended' Yoshi path (yes, I intentionally left it open so people could discover it via cape too)..
.. the pipe spouting out P switches is actually a warp pipe. Quite a few people missed that, so I may need to make it a bit more obvious. Going through it gives you access to the spinet helm, allowing you to bust through the blocked pipe in the 'checkpoint' room
Hope that makes sense. Please give it another go if you're interested in seeing it in action.
(mat)
Member
What level would that be?
Here's an old photo
Bob-omb Shooting Gallery:
Just shoot through the holes, baby!
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Yeah I don't get this. I feel like I gave the player a good view of all enemies and obstacles as you run. I don't understand what required memorization. You're the second person to say that and I'm really confused.I beat your level.
Tbh I'm not surprised that many people had trouble with your level.
My issue was that im unfamiliar with the layout of your level so I traversed it with a bit of hesitation. The P blocks certainly didn't help the situation. I also wasn't really given an indication of what was to come next so it was difficult to adapt with all previous stuff I mentioned. I had to memorize the level to a certain degree so I could get through it at a decent enough pace. I tried it about 40 times before I could beat it. I had to face against Bowser 3 times before I realized I had to wait for him to get in the right spot then press the button. I was in such a rush because of the overall pace of the level that I didn't really register that I had time to chill and deal with Bowser more strategically. In between those 3 times with bowser I was struggling to not fall off the block on the rail. Most other people won't want to have to memorize a level to beat it. The level was fun, but from a game design 101 perspective it was lacking.
I get the bowser part though.
Chris Ticehurst
Member
How many have submitted so far?
Yup!
I'll be back for the community contest actually anyway, I like the idea of playing a lot of courses around an actual Mario theme so I'm down for that.
Lady Siara
Member
Under 10, probably around 7 from memory.
TheSlySoul
Member
I figured it was at 50 stars. I am close with 46 total.
Would love a bigger limit so I can have 5 levels just for stars, ha ha.
Edit: 20 for 50 stars and 30 for 150 stars huh?
Curious what the number 1 guy can upload, he has like 12 medals.
One thing to avoid while making levels (unless someone is doing this on purpose ~ you sick rascal) is the Trial-and-Error Gameplay (ie. mostly traps that the player couldn't have anticipated). I prefer "Hard but fair" challenges (in which the player knows it is his own fault if he dies) to "Hard, unfair and sadistic" challenges (aka. "everything is trying to kill you and the game is almost unwinnable").
Now, some games like I Wanna Be The Guy are fun because of such challenges. Not my cup of tea, but I do understand the appeal. Sadly, the lack of checkpoints makes those kind of levels downright tedious. If checkpoints were available, it could add something to balance the unfair factor.
Now, some games like I Wanna Be The Guy are fun because of such challenges. Not my cup of tea, but I do understand the appeal. Sadly, the lack of checkpoints makes those kind of levels downright tedious. If checkpoints were available, it could add something to balance the unfair factor.
Made my first level today, it's pretty easy, really simple and short with 3 1-ups to collect. The ID is 8699-0000-0041-47E4 and it's called Speed Street.
This game is pretty fun and addictive but it's going to take me a while to make interesting levels for sure, definitely nowhere near some of the creativity I'm seeing on here for sure. I'm way more of a player than creator though.
This game is pretty fun and addictive but it's going to take me a while to make interesting levels for sure, definitely nowhere near some of the creativity I'm seeing on here for sure. I'm way more of a player than creator though.
TheSlySoul
Member
I think my main issue with Trial and Error is that you only get one shot or you are done.
Many challenge Romhacks were smart enough to put reset doors/pipes when building these and that is what I plan to do with mine in which might be hard to get right on your first try.
For example: I played one of ProtonJon's levels and it had interesting ideas but it took so long to restart if I made a mistake (mostly at the koopa shell part since if you put them in a block they don't reset). It is such a simple fix to not put the Koopa in a block so that I could go in and out of the door if I screwed up. Plus the invisible block section was obnoxious.
I beat your level.
Tbh I'm not surprised that many people had trouble with your level.
My issue was that im unfamiliar with the layout of your level so I traversed it with a bit of hesitation. The P blocks certainly didn't help the situation. I also wasn't really given an indication of what was to come next so it was difficult to adapt with all previous stuff I mentioned. I had to memorize the level to a certain degree so I could get through it at a decent enough pace. I tried it about 40 times before I could beat it. I had to face against Bowser 3 times before I realized I had to wait for him to get in the right spot then press the button. I was in such a rush because of the overall pace of the level that I didn't really register that I had time to chill and deal with Bowser more strategically. In between those 3 times with bowser I was struggling to not fall off the block on the rail. Most other people won't want to have to memorize a level to beat it. The level was fun, but from a game design 101 perspective it was lacking.
Played the stage. His critique is accurate. P Blocks make people rush. And that's especially bad in a OHKO level. IIRC they're mostly left for optional stuff in Mario games for this reason. That's why auto scrolling is generally the preferred option for momentum style levels.
Lady Siara
Member
UncleSporky
Member
Something to keep in mind when you look at your completion rate - the percentage is not the number of people who completed it, but the total number of lives spent in it.
A 20% rate of completion means that on average there were 4 deaths for every 1 win. Maybe most people gave it 5 lives, or maybe 40% of the people abandoned it after one death, and the rest died twice and then won! Or maybe 60% of people abandoned after one death, but if they'd given it one more try like the rest then they would've won.
I think it's likely that a lot of people skip after one death.
A 20% rate of completion means that on average there were 4 deaths for every 1 win. Maybe most people gave it 5 lives, or maybe 40% of the people abandoned it after one death, and the rest died twice and then won! Or maybe 60% of people abandoned after one death, but if they'd given it one more try like the rest then they would've won.
I think it's likely that a lot of people skip after one death.
Boy Wander
Member
Thing is, it's quite hard to filter, because quality isn't as tangible as say, number of deaths or length of course. They should definitely look at (if they don't already) recording and using the number of times a course has been skipped and even how far into it the course has been skipped. This could omit some generally difficult but good courses but may well remove the crap. Problem is, genuine platform fans want a challenge. Kids want a quick hit of mayhem. Maybe even some form of moderation is required!
Example:
I started a 100 mario challenge 'Hard' run last night. I played 25 courses roughly and I am on course 2. I skipped 24 because they were either a) Stupidly hard, b) Just random as to whether you succeed c) out of nowhere insta-kills d) trolls e) just not fun in fact the opposite.
I played amongst other things:
1) A course where it was a ton of question blocks and you had to slowly crouch jump amongst them to get to the end. I progressed half a screen and thought 'Fuck this'.
2) A level where a door led to insta-death-fall.
3) A level which was called something like '50 Cent goes on vacation' and it was literally like a fire plant going along a track with a hidden block somewhere (I assume) that made you invincible else it was impossible.
4) An underwater level where the objective seemed to be to fit as many squid/cheeps as possible on the screen.
5) A level where it was 3 bowsers stacked and a ton of Koopas.
etc.
Thank god for GAF and levels made by people who actually think about how something should be laid out / played.