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Super Monday Night Combat |OT| Time to let loose with the juice!
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Diablohead
Member
It's finally released? not played it at all and I LOVED the first MNC, so looking forward to playing this and the new pros.
Same charm as the first game, right?
Mickey cantor?
*edit* can't make a game account, email already in use because I used to post on the ubernet forums... no log in screen for me to use to use my exsisting account. SO STUPID!
*edit* found a work around, logged in now
Same charm as the first game, right?
Mickey cantor?
*edit* can't make a game account, email already in use because I used to post on the ubernet forums... no log in screen for me to use to use my exsisting account. SO STUPID!
*edit* found a work around, logged in now
to me its a way different game, i fucking love it more than part 1 but alot people here arent liking the more dota focus this time around
Diablohead
Member
Server busy up in this bitch, overloaded launch weekend as with every other online free game I presume.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
ok so i downloaded this game yesterday, and even after the patch i still can't play this game. it keeps saying connecting to chat. i thought it was server side, so i left for 20 mins and cam back, but no, just the same connecting to chat thing. i have no clue whats going on. i loved the first MNC and i really wanna at least try this. anyone know whats up?
I could never get my 360 pad to work in the beta despite people telling me there was support, has it been fixed/implemented yet?
Yeah yeah I know kb/m for shooters but I fucking hate it/am worse with it so oh well.
LOVED the first one, and played it more than any other shooter this gen, the 4-5 hours I played of the beta with kb/m underwhelmed the fuck out of me but I want to give it a 2nd chance if controller support is in/fixed.
Yeah yeah I know kb/m for shooters but I fucking hate it/am worse with it so oh well.
LOVED the first one, and played it more than any other shooter this gen, the 4-5 hours I played of the beta with kb/m underwhelmed the fuck out of me but I want to give it a 2nd chance if controller support is in/fixed.
JasonUresti
Member
It's not too late to turn to the light, my son. God's Own Control Scheme* will be waiting for you, however long you linger with the blasphemous controller.
*What, you think the universe was designed with a 360 controller and radial menus? That shit was mouse and keyboard, playa.
I play better/enjoy myself more with a controller. I SHOULD be better with kb/m but I'm not and I don't really care enough to put in the practice to fix it.
I played this through out the Invitational and loved it, but I am not particularly good at the game. There's no real way to learn how to play without getting shouted at, as is the problem with all MOBAs sadly. Hate to say it but the poisonous atmosphere of the playerbase kind of turned me off after a while.
I honestly just ignore them. They can scream till they are blue in the fucking face, I won't even look at them.
rohlfinator
Member
They kind of "fixed" it... it used to redownload the whole game (2.8 gigs or something) at every patch. It definitely needs a lot of improvement though.
Yeah, just had a game where a guy berated our whole team over voice chat every time he died, even though the rest of our team clearly knew how to play the game and most were doing better than him. :/
Most of the players seem pretty respectful, but the bad apples are always the most vocal and annoying.
The best way to learn (in my experience) is to do practice matches against bots, just to get a feel for your abilities and how to quickly kill bots, move around the field, etc. There are also some good character build guides on their forums that can explain a few tricks with each pro that are easy to miss, and give you tips on good products/endorsements.
The "new player experience" is definitely one of the game's big weak spots, though. I'd like to see them make a separate queue for new players -- that seems like an easy fix that would ease players into the game a little bit better.
Diablohead
Member
Played about 8 matches now that the matchmaking is working, sort of.
I like it, hard to adjust to some of the old characters as their moves have been tweaked such as the supports hack is now an overclock, works completely different, same goes for assaults charge now doesn't grapple and do huge pushback.
I've only just worked out that using an endorsement doesn't actually use it up and you can stack them in to open slots, I thought at first that when you bought one it would be used up in a game, due to how you can buy quantaty. Not the case now.
I dig it, pointless costumes cost too much but hey I get some free cash due to owning MNC so bought the tank and a 1 day money booster.
I like it, hard to adjust to some of the old characters as their moves have been tweaked such as the supports hack is now an overclock, works completely different, same goes for assaults charge now doesn't grapple and do huge pushback.
I've only just worked out that using an endorsement doesn't actually use it up and you can stack them in to open slots, I thought at first that when you bought one it would be used up in a game, due to how you can buy quantaty. Not the case now.
I dig it, pointless costumes cost too much but hey I get some free cash due to owning MNC so bought the tank and a 1 day money booster.
BurningNad
Member
How do you get free cash for owning MNC? I have it and don't have anyting extra. Do you have to activate it or something?
Diablohead
Member
It was just there along with gold clothes for the old pros, I did read that Some on the forums are still waiting for theirs too, I never played the beta of super either.
I logged in to super after adding my old account from the uberent forums with a URL on the forums somewhere, it might be that. I'm on the tablet right now so hard for me to dig all the info up quickly.
BurningNad
Member
Is the stats tab NYI, or does it unlock after a certain amount of games/level?
Diablohead
Member
I don't know, once you get into a match from your region the game plays great, you can tell that they took what was great about MNC and then spiced it up, having more then 6 pros also makes each match play different.
I need to get my tank to have a faster rate of fire, he will be a bot killing machine once I get about 15%... which is going to take ages
BurningNad
Member
Agreed. The only problems I've had were some matchmaking issues, but once in game it's pretty damn solid.
Big Chungus
Member
Weird, for some reason I have $7 in my Super MNC account.
Anyone know why it's in there?
I bought MNC a year ago, and played a bit of the Super MNC beta.
Anyone know why it's in there?
I bought MNC a year ago, and played a bit of the Super MNC beta.
Been playing a lot of Combat Girl with my buddy as Assault - Works really well when we can lane together. I'm kind of amazed at how powerful Combat Laser is for blowing up bot waves and damaging turrets.
They give you some money for playing in the beta.
They give you some money for playing in the beta.
mysocksarepink
Banned
Weird. I thought more gaffers would be all over this game. Regardless, I really just begun to dip my feet into this game... I'm getting a strong pay to win vibe but I'm still loving it.
I REALLY need people to play with... so please add me username is pinksocking
I REALLY need people to play with... so please add me
username is pinksocking
BurningNad
Member
Weird. I thought more gaffers would be all over this game. Regardless, I really just begun to dip my feet into this game... I'm getting a strong pay to win vibe but I'm still loving it.
I REALLY need people to play with... so please add me
I thought so too, but it probably has to do with the fact they accidentally released it months early. I'm sure if it got more advertising it'd be bigger. I hope that doesn't affect it too harshly.
In any case, I will add you. I've only got about 25 games under my belt but I'm starting to get with it.
rohlfinator
Member
Combat Laser is a ton of fun. It's also great for lining up on enemies as they pop out of a grapple.
The pay to win aspect is actually pretty minimal. Endorsements are the biggest money sink (besides the purely aesthetic stuff) but also the least important. Products can make a more significant difference, but the default set is pretty decent for beginners. And you can win endorsements and products as end-game prizes. I've only purchased about 1/5 of my products with in-game currency, the rest were free.
The biggest thing by far is just getting familiar with a character or two. Your first couple of purchases should just be pros that you like, so you can play them when they're off rotation. I wish they would give a discount on everyone's first pro purchase, since being forced to play an unfamiliar pro is just about the worst thing for new players.
Diablohead
Member
Playing solo my wait times seem to be between 1-3 minutes, lucky I guess.
PedroLumpy
Member
After playing MNC I was thinking "You know, I kinda wish this leaned a little more towards the DOTAish side of things." I played a bit in the SMNC invitational and found it a little too DOTAish. I'm just stupidly picky I guess, but you like what you like, what are ya gonna do.
Some of the things about this game that are stupid:
1) You click Find Game. It asks you if you want to accept or decline a game that it tells you nothing about. If any of the 10 people you got matched with declines or is afk, it starts all over and then asks you to accept/decline again. Accept what? Seriously, I just clicked play, why would I decline? There's no information at all to base that decision on either. "Do you want to play this game we just found? I know you just clicked play, and I'm not telling you anything about this game, but I'd still like to know. Oh, and 75% chance you won't be able to play if you click accept, since somebody else will decline."
2) You can't join a game in progress. You can't quit a game and join a different one. If somebody leaves your game, a new person can't replace them.
3) You can't switch characters mid-game.
4) You inexplicably can't choose a character somebody else has chosen. This is made worse by the character selection method of "spam click and hope you get it first."
5) You can't put points into abilities while you're dead.
6) You can't move while the level up/ability menu is up.
Can you see the annihilator timer anywhere? Aside from listening to the announcers.
Can you change your products/outfit/whatever after choosing a character? If not, incredibly dumb since you have to lock in ASAP before somebody else takes the character.
Can you signal that you need healing?
1) You click Find Game. It asks you if you want to accept or decline a game that it tells you nothing about. If any of the 10 people you got matched with declines or is afk, it starts all over and then asks you to accept/decline again. Accept what? Seriously, I just clicked play, why would I decline? There's no information at all to base that decision on either. "Do you want to play this game we just found? I know you just clicked play, and I'm not telling you anything about this game, but I'd still like to know. Oh, and 75% chance you won't be able to play if you click accept, since somebody else will decline."
2) You can't join a game in progress. You can't quit a game and join a different one. If somebody leaves your game, a new person can't replace them.
3) You can't switch characters mid-game.
4) You inexplicably can't choose a character somebody else has chosen. This is made worse by the character selection method of "spam click and hope you get it first."
5) You can't put points into abilities while you're dead.
6) You can't move while the level up/ability menu is up.
Can you see the annihilator timer anywhere? Aside from listening to the announcers.
Can you change your products/outfit/whatever after choosing a character? If not, incredibly dumb since you have to lock in ASAP before somebody else takes the character.
Can you signal that you need healing?
rohlfinator
Member
I think this is to prevent people from queuing up, going AFK, and getting matched into a game. It's kind of clunky right now. I doubt they will add any info about the match though, you aren't really supposed to be picking and choosing which matches you want to play.
This is all by design. Matches are intended to be 10-30 minutes between predetermined teams. They're trying to discourage leavers because they ruin the game for the other nine players. And team makeup matters -- building a balanced team at the start of the match is part of the strategy.
The no duplicate characters thing is something that they experimented with earlier in beta, and it was pretty unanimously decided that it plays better this way. Some characters can be really overpowered and unfun if there are multiples on a team.
Only by looking at the actual annihilator button. On some maps you can also see the button from the map overview screen.
You can change them, locking only locks your character.
There's a voice command for it, I can't remember the key offhand though. I think it's in the V key menu for me.
That's my point. You aren't supposed to be picking and choosing, but then they make you choose. It's dumb.
I'd be willing to bet 95%+ of the players are not playing on a predetermined team. And yet the game is designed with those players as an afterthought. It's a terrible experience for them. They should just not allow you to solo queue at all if they make these kind of design decisions.
I'm sure that would go over well.
You are nit-picking. You should have back-up pros bought/available that you know you're comfortable with playing if someone happens to choose your main pro. It's all about supporting the team with whatever role it needs most. Hopefully over time more public players will learn this and not everyone will need a pre-made team to do well. If you have 4-5 random players who are decent and get teamed up it's usually not a big deal(and you'll probably do pretty well) as everyone knows how to play more than one or two pros.
Also, if everyone could see the annihilator timer all the time it would take the benefits away from those who actually make an effort to pay attention to things on the map such as this. If you want the next annihilator you better watch the visual timer up top and get there before the announcers tell you it's almost ready. I have a friend who gets really frustrated with this game because it can be torturously confrontational and really difficult if you aren't keen on maintaining complete awareness of everything that's going on. I think it's just one of those games that isn't for everyone.
I actually like that nobody can choose a pro that's already been picked. It would be pretty dumb to see four captain sparks on your team fucking around. Noob players would just spam what they think is the coolest pro available.
Also, if everyone could see the annihilator timer all the time it would take the benefits away from those who actually make an effort to pay attention to things on the map such as this. If you want the next annihilator you better watch the visual timer up top and get there before the announcers tell you it's almost ready. I have a friend who gets really frustrated with this game because it can be torturously confrontational and really difficult if you aren't keen on maintaining complete awareness of everything that's going on. I think it's just one of those games that isn't for everyone.
I actually like that nobody can choose a pro that's already been picked. It would be pretty dumb to see four captain sparks on your team fucking around. Noob players would just spam what they think is the coolest pro available.
You can't do that until you've played the game a huge amount. Nobody new to the game will feel confident in several pros and have several bought. They'll be just trying to learn a single pro. You have to play as one over and over to get good with them. The way the game is set up makes it unreasonably difficult.
History has shown that unless the game dies down to have a small community of hardcore players, the 'public players' will never learn this. You will have a vast majority of players who do not play as if they were on an organized team. They want to contribute to the success, but not via coordination. This is not going to change.
This is a terrible argument. If you follow this logic, you might as well make the game as terse as possible, so that those players who go through the pains of accessing information are rewarded for it.
Thankfully there's a practice mode and pros rotating weekly or bi-weekly so new players have all the time and chances in the world to practice any pro that they want to get good at.
The thing I've noticed about the game is that while half of all players will cuss at you, berate you, and tell you to leave SMNC, the other half seem to be pretty helpful. I can't tell you how many times I've seen veteran players giving tips in the chat lobby or during games. I would argue that it's much more accessible and new player-friendly than something like LoL or DotA... especially since SMNC just got a massive influx of new players.
Why not spell everything out for the player then and make it super generous and equalizing? If the idea is to make the game as easy and accessible as something like Mario Kart then I don't think it would have the usual hyper-competitive appeal that most MOBA games have.
What do you mean "spell everything out"? How competitive a game can be is unrelated to information access. Chess has no hidden information and poker has mostly hidden information.
Making something tedious, confusing or inaccessible doesn't make a game better.
Tokubetsu
Member
It's every week but yes, it's fucking horrible, and they've been told as much but don't seem to care all that much/it isn't a priority. Which is shitty. Really shitty. So many little things add up to make the game a real pain in the ass to deal with. As I said earlier, the game should still be in closed beta.
If you think it's confusing or tedious to make eye contact with a giant symbol(it's something you can even see from spots on the bottom floor too!) then I don't know what to say.
rohlfinator
Member
They don't make you choose -- you're always supposed to click accept. It's just there to make sure that you're still conscious.
I meant predetermined as in assembled by the matchmaker before the match starts. Allowing players to hop around between matches at-will would completely break a lot of the mechanics. It's already frustrating enough when a teammate leaves mid-game, they don't need to encourage that even further.
What exactly do you find terrible about the solo queue experience? I usually group with a friend or two, but the solo queue has been fine when I've used it, especially now that matchmaking is working better.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
This game is so god damn fun. I been playing for 12 hours straight today XD
PwnCakes193
Member
Same, I got caught up in it before and got sucked in for 3 hours. I still have to get used to this after not playing MNC for a while.
Tokubetsu
Member
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Oh good combat girl is still free. Was worried I wouldnt have enough to buy her before the rotation changed.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Well levels are reset every match, the passive perk thing is like LoL
Yep
I don't buy the Unreal Engine excuse since Tribes Ascend patches are as little as afew megabytes upto 450meg every 2 or 3 weeks. With an average of like 350meg. Even Dungeon Defenders patches are like 180 to 650 meg depending on what they are adding. With an average of 250 meg (but those devs love patching 3 times a day)
The passive perks are what I have a problem with. Someone has an advantage over me because they played the game more, not because they are better.
Newest excuse
Ekanaut said:
IIRC, the lowest patching ever went was ~800MB. It's been 1GB+ for the past 3-4 weeks. So we've basically been redownloading the game every week. They are saying next patch should be smaller, but they said that in the past and were wrong.
Doesn't help that someone with a single in-game level advantage does 10%+ more damage and has 10%+ more health than the other player. Uber loves their snowballs though.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Keeps the game from being a stalemate