PeptoandWhiskey
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Finished my F300 mod:
That stick is gorgeous! Where did you get the artwork from?
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That stick is gorgeous! Where did you get the artwork from?
RedAssedApe
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i think he's talking about this site where some of the hori sticks are labeled as "F-tier" lol
http://www.teyah.net/sticklag/results.html
Cindi Mayweather
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Yeah, and the VLX is one of them. But the others aren't.
Hellshingu
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The HRAP4 Kai is listed on that site as a little more lag than the VLX supposedly.
RedAssedApe
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I see
F Tier: Hori RAP4 Premium VLX Kuro (+14.80 ms), Hori RAP4 PCB: includes HRAP4 Kai, HRAP V, HRAP V Silent, HRAP Doa5LR (+15.10 ms)
tbh i'm such a scrub player i probably wouldn't notice. i think a lot of people on srk have disputed the testing methods though
Hellshingu
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To be honest don't let those tests dictate your purchase decisions.
RedAssedApe
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Cindi Mayweather
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Huh. The more you know. It's not that bad, honestly. I haven't noticed.
pantsattack
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How did you go about adding the art? Is there plexiglass and how is it attached?Finished my F300 mod:
Fujinn
Member
Its a sticker.
Hellshingu
Member
According to the new tests performed by the creator of that site the TE2+ is the best stick which is around 1.3 ms of lag putting it in the A+ category but like I said before take these results with a grain of salt.
Thinking about switching my TE2+ guts to hayabusa if hori starts selling the buttons separately.
Thinking about switching my TE2+ guts to hayabusa if hori starts selling the buttons separately.
Cindi Mayweather
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RedAssedApe
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^ gotta be able to tap those buttons quick 
not sure if that was the intent but you can definitely grip the stick there. room for fingers and such
not sure if that was the intent but you can definitely grip the stick there. room for fingers and such
Fujinn
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I made it myself. Everything except Akuma wich is this one: http://www.renders-graphiques.fr/image/upload/normal/akuma-2.png
CrashPrime
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Are these tests backed up by anyone else? Is there a testing method others can do? Most monitors are 1 frame lag, most TVs are like 3. So another frame and it's like 4 frames on most setups. Seems like a big deal if those tests really are accurate. I mean, if accurate, basing a purchase is pretty high priority. Sticks and buttons are a pretty easy swap usually.
Hellshingu
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Unfortunately not. Some people swear by them while others don't trust his methods. Honestly the most important thing you can control that is tested and wodely accepted is the input lag of the monitor you are using. Most of the mainstream sticks for ps4 are going to have negligible difference to 99% of people.
Don't let those results sway you too much into buying a HRAP Kai over a TE2+ if your budget is concerned. Use the left ear money to upgrade your monitor/tv instead.
That being said if you like and can afford a TE2+ or TE-S+ then go ahead and get one instead as they are awesome sticks. It won't make or break you if you get a Kai instead of one of the newer MCZ sticks.
Yes.
Give me those buttons!!!
sixteen-bit
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Cindi Mayweather
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Hayabusa doesn't have this.
I know what you're talking about. They are not squeaky like the Kuros are. They sound a little lighter/quieter than the standard Sanwas I'd say. They feel pretty snappy, for lack of a better term.
CrashPrime
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So other than Frys, does anyone carry sticks? I hate waiting for mail.
Cindi Mayweather
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Look into a local mom and pop game shop that does business with fighting game locals.
HRAP 2 SA baby!
That's mine. It comes full Sanwa, but I modded Seimitu parts modded in.
Another nice PS1/2 stick is the Konami Hyperstick, which has Seimitsu parts outta the box.
Those are a bit hard to find without really breaking the bank.
What are the thoughts on SF 15th anniversary sticks that work on ps2 and Xbox? I know they have a circular gate, but I'm willing to try it. Especially because I need an Xbox stick
sixteen-bit
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Completely different feel but they're OK. Might want to upgrade parts though. The buttons are especially bad.
http://srktt.com/sfac
Hellshingu
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Where you located?
Welcome to the future, how ａ ｅ ｓ ｔ ｈ ｅ ｔ ｉ ｃ are you? Need a drink?
https://twitter.com/Apollo19999/status/702003590060240896
Jesus Christ it's vapor wave in physical form
Finished my F300 mod:
I thought that was a gengar stick at first glance :v
Ooh Grats! That thing is beyond sexy.
The 4 Kai came out first with Hayabusa stick and regular Kuro buttons
The 4 Kai Silent came out later with the silent versions of the Hayabusa sitck and Kuro buttons.
The original 4 Kai just got updated to have the new Hayabusa buttons, but kept the same model name as the original. They're simply just replenishing stock with the updated version as it runs out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKDwS5cK2XQ
Shows what happens when you hit the exact same button at the exact same time for the Hori RAP and TE2.
In theory, if they were equal input lag, fighting game characters' attacks would "trade" hits. If one comes out faster than another, the faster character would score a counter hit as the other character is getting hit on startup.
The TE2 scores a counter hit a few more times where the Kai never scores a counter hit.
Although there aren't any other sticks tested visually like this, it corroborates the results showing the TE2 slightly faster than the Kai. Honestly 5ms of lag is 1/3 of a frame in a 60fps game, so it's not going to bother most people.
CrashPrime
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Thank you for this. Pretty damning evidence. Really really appreciate seeing something other than a list with #'s. I doubt I would ever get good enough to notice "some" hit trades but it at least justifies the price. These are the 2 PCB's I was interested in anyways. I assume the TE-S+ uses the same or similar PCB.
Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area.
Hi sixteen
glad to see you in this thread. That's very dissappointing about the buttons. That, along with the circular gate makes this stick a total no-go for me now.
Anyone know a decent stick builder who can make something that supports a few old consoles? I don't mind paying a slight premium for quality craftsmanship. I'd prefer a Gaffer but I'm flexible on that.
Does that guy Finkle still take custom jobs? If so how could I get in touch with him?
Damn. Hopefully Hori starts selling Hayabusa buttons alone.
Buttons, yes. The stick is a matter of preference since the 4 Kai one is not silent.
The Kai has a PC switch too, so it's more flexible. Not worth paying more with worse buttons, imo.
The only negative on the revised 4 Kai is the issue I was seeing with mapping multiple buttons I mentioned earlier.
Have you tried the button assign feature? It didn't work for multiple buttons for me like my old one did. Could you test it?
The instructions are bad. This is what worked for me on the old one:
-turn on assign switch (turbo lights up)
-tap the button you want to make act as a different one. Assign light blinks. Only works for L1, R1 and options.
-HOLD the button or combination of buttons you want mapped to the button you tapped. Assign light goes back to solid after 3 seconds.
-turn assign switch back. Assign light stays on showing the feature is active.
That worked for remapping a single button, but not a combo for some reason.
To reset everything, just turn assign switch one, tap PS button, then turn switch off
I believe so, expect the silent model has their silent hayabusa stick variation.
The stick click is not that loud to me really either on Sanwa or the Hayabusa stick.
CrashPrime
Member
What's unfortunate is their buttons on the "Silent" variation are silent Kuros not Hayabusas so they are ready for sanwa replacements anyways. Granted its only like $20 to get a set of silent OBSFs if you really need quiet.
Cherry MX Blue switch keyboards and regular old Sanwa buttons for me, *CLACK*CLACK*
(should've gotten green switches.)
pineapplepizza
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edit ...
CrashPrime
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RAP4 Pro PS4 (non-kai) is apparently top of the mainstream PS4 stick lag list according to http://www.teyah.net/sticklag/results.html
Problem is, I only see VLX, Kai 4's, and import V's in the US market.
That said we were just talking about the 1-frame lag on the Kai's. Not a deal breaker. The stick itself is gonna be great, and you can spend minimal cash swapping stick/buttons.
Also, I gotta say the scapling of these sticks is disgusting right now. Every stick is on eBay.
sixteen-bit
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That's the kinda stick I'd use exclusively to play CDi Tetris
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Great video but that's not the Kai. That's the VLX, which is slower than the Kai.
CrashPrime
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Teyah says they are the same but it's true that without a comparable video we don't know for sure.
What is interesting is that sometimes it inputs the same, others not. It makes me wonder with a fighting game at 60fps I guess the input goes on say "frame 1" or "frame 2", but lower ms gives you a higher chance to fire frame 1. It isn't better every time.
ShadowSoldier89
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Anyone ever wire an LED into a JLF? I ordered a hollow shaft, bubbletop, and LED from paradise arcade for my TE2 (just now so wont have it for a bit) and I want to wire the LED directly to the JLF. I'm pretty sure its possible but I have no idea how