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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT| It's out in Japan
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Chezzymann
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So I thought I could beat level 9's, but it turns out after trying again on the final destination version of battlefield I was just relying on items. Goddamn this is so hard. It already takes an insane amount of coordination and focus for me to beat a level 9 Mario with no items
and people are telling me that that's the point where you're just ready to learn? Man, fighting games require almost EVE-levels of dedication to get into.
Still haven't managed to do it yet,
Might be banned on 3DS (unless the venue provides for 'pre-unlocked' games) since unlocking all the customs takes an unreasonably long amount of time and it'd be a bit silly to expect all the players to have them unlocked, and allowed on WiiU depending on how easy it is to transfer custom moves from 3DS to set-ups.
Practice makes perfect. When I first started the demo I could barely beat level 9 Mario, and when I did it was due to a lucky hit in sudden death. Now I can go 3-0 against him on the FD version of Battlefield.
Just keep trying and I'm sure you'll start kicking his ass in no time.
Chezzymann
Member
I've been playing the demo for like 12 hours, my record against him is probably 0-40 lol.
Jawmuncher
Member
If you don't know who it was, it was more than likely dio.
Which character are you using?
Chezzymann
Member
Villager
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
I used to be good at smash... so I started against level 3's, then level 6s, then 8s, then 9s... I guess I'm still good at smash. I haven't lost once vs. any of these guys. I play randoms at level 9, using Link, Mario, Pikachu, Megaman, and Villager. I'm not getting more than 2 KOs in that 2 minute span, but I'm not dying either. Woohoo. Villager is definitely my weakest, followed by Pikachu. I smoke any AI with Mario, Link, or Megaman.
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Deleted member 231381
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People who are telling you that aren't giving you good advice. Playing a level 9 CPU is nothing like playing an actual human. Level 9 CPUs can read your inputs directly, which means they react in a different way to the way a human would even if that human had frame-perfect reflexes. Playing level 9 CPUs too often will encourage habits which are only good against level 9 CPUs, and thus, bad against actual players - you'll avoid certain moves or combinations which are only bad because of the way level 9 CPUs work and can be very effective against human opponents.
If you want to get competitively good, set the CPU to level 8 instead, play until you can reliably beat the CPU for a wide array of characters - not all, but at least one representative from the various archetypes of rusher, zoner, etc. - then switch to For Glory and never look back. The only use to playing level 9 CPUs is to hone your reflexes, rather than to actually learn the game on an intrinsic level.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
I think he may be a demo player. I am. Thus the only reason I would even play vs. level 9s and not real human beings.
Poltergust
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theprodigy
Member
banned on the 3DS cause ain't nobody got time for that
allowed on Wii U cause not everybody needs to unlock them
Chezzymann
Member
EEyup. I did play a random guy the other day though.
He kicked my ass and it was the first time he played smash in 10 years, let alone the demo
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
I can't stop laughing.
That sucks that it happened to you (at least it was only for a few hours), but I'm super happy to see that they're taking the online seriously.
Definitely one of the most interesting aspects of the game for me. Even seeing stuff like Mario zoning out ROB with those fast fireballs in the last tournament looked really cool. There's a lot of potential in the concept and especially in terms of differentiating its' metagame from every other Smash game, so it'll be a huge shame if TOs decide it's too much of a hassle or something.
equipping Lucina with Iai Counter and switching to the Tiki alt is the only way I'll ever be able to pretend Lyn is playable
Yeah I'm happy they're taking it seriously. I've got like 2 more minutes left, so it's not entirely bad day for me today
Permanently A
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Holy Order Sol
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How does it actually work when it comes to what custom moves can be accessed, is it only based on the host's data? I was under the assumption that it'd make more sense to expect people to bring their own system actually, since you would at least try and unlock moves for the characters you use, if not all of them.
Nice, they finally added Ridley
Green underwings say otherwise
It's fine as long as you don't think your habits and such are going to be good. Level 9s are pretty good about airdodging and teching when they can, so if nothing else it's probably decent for practicing combo stuff.
Really, as long as you understand that CPUs are nothing like humans, playing the game in general is good for learning. Just getting used to your character and the game mechanics is the important first step.
Fitting into the universe says otherwise.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
So does anyone know is Nintendo banning players for using that infinite or not?
SenorArdilla
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Accessibility to customs is entirely up to your system, and the main reason that customs would be kept out is that even if you focused on unlocking the customs for the characters that you main, whoever unlocked more or whatever inherently has more of an advantage in terms of responding to a match-up. It's just not an even playing field when nobody has the same starting point, and you'd get a lot of people complaining about how unfair it was. Even then, expecting people to put in whatever amount of time it would take in Smash Run to unlock all the specials for all their favourite characters is kind of unreasonable as far as an entry barrier goes, least of all all of them.
RadioJoNES64
Banned
On online multiplayer, do people see your system nickname or your Nintendo Id?
Main Mii name.
SenorArdilla
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Anyone find that Ridley trophy yet?
RomanceDawn
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So were shield able to be directed in past Smash games? It would explain why I would always get hit as DK or Bowser when I had it during certain times and attacks.
I don't know if it's an advanced technique from past games because I certainly never did it in Brawl and I loved playing at a high level but if you run and Smash in the opposite direction your character will slide a hair do their smash attack backwards. Same goes for tilts but the timing is trickier with smash attacks. I've caught the computer with it a few times and can see that becoming very useful in the future.
I don't know if it's an advanced technique from past games because I certainly never did it in Brawl and I loved playing at a high level but if you run and Smash in the opposite direction your character will slide a hair do their smash attack backwards. Same goes for tilts but the timing is trickier with smash attacks. I've caught the computer with it a few times and can see that becoming very useful in the future.
Poltergust
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Well, you could make the same argument for unlocking characters, but it's obviously less extreme in that case.
That said, this process of unlocking custom moves will not even be an issue after about a month after the game is out. It's simply a matter of time for the hardcore players and tourney-goers.
Yes, that's been around since Melee.
theprodigy
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Doesn't matter when the Wii U version will be the one used at tournaments, which means everyone no longer has to unlock them all on their own
First off, have we seen this before?
Orange variation of the balloon fight stage.
Next up, let's go over DK's custom moves!
Donkey Kong's back, and his custom moves are...honestly, compared to Fox and Ganondorf, really underwhelming. He's got some unique options though. I couldn't see too many of these being moves you'd integrate into a normal moveset, but I could see someone perhaps making a custom moveset with one or two of the moves to swap to if they were having some issues defeating an opponent with the normal one.
-Standard B-
Custom 2: Donkey Kong charges up his punch faster (at the cost of some power) and has electric effects. Could be useful if you want more speed instead of power.
Custom 3: Shown in a pic of the day. Releases wind that pushes an opponent back with a fully charged punch. Still does damage if the punch connects. Can be very useful for edgegaurding
-Side B-
Custom 2: Jumps in the air and then does a headslam. Could be a good option against airborn opponents maybe?
Custom 3: The same move as usual, but slower and more powerful, and leaves the opponent in the ground longer. Has super armor, which is cool.
-Up B-
Custom 2: Does no damage, but gains a lot of height from it, especially in comparison to the normal jump. Recovery's kinda easy in Smash 4, but if you're still having trouble with DK, use this.
Custom 3: Does damage on the first hit and more at the end, instead of a constant stream like normal. Seems to suck the opponent in between those two hits too. Might be useful.
-Down B-
Custom 2: Electric effects. Has good knockback.
Custom 3: Fire effects. Not much else remarkable about it.
Honestly, these are just really underwhelming. I kinda think maybe Sakurai thought DK was OP and didn't give him that great of a variety of custom moves? I donno. But these just aren't very overpowered like some of the other customs seem to be.
Video of the Custom 2s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umNBc5gMQpw&list=UU_2qLJkKXkaqk3e8JXcQNcw
Video of the Custom 3s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFnGSwfrTfs&index=2&list=UU_2qLJkKXkaqk3e8JXcQNcw
Note that the videos are crappy offscreen recordings, are played against a CPU, and feature me mostly spamming the custom attacks to see what all they can do.
Orange variation of the balloon fight stage.
Next up, let's go over DK's custom moves!
Donkey Kong's back, and his custom moves are...honestly, compared to Fox and Ganondorf, really underwhelming. He's got some unique options though. I couldn't see too many of these being moves you'd integrate into a normal moveset, but I could see someone perhaps making a custom moveset with one or two of the moves to swap to if they were having some issues defeating an opponent with the normal one.
-Standard B-
Custom 2: Donkey Kong charges up his punch faster (at the cost of some power) and has electric effects. Could be useful if you want more speed instead of power.
Custom 3: Shown in a pic of the day. Releases wind that pushes an opponent back with a fully charged punch. Still does damage if the punch connects. Can be very useful for edgegaurding
-Side B-
Custom 2: Jumps in the air and then does a headslam. Could be a good option against airborn opponents maybe?
Custom 3: The same move as usual, but slower and more powerful, and leaves the opponent in the ground longer. Has super armor, which is cool.
-Up B-
Custom 2: Does no damage, but gains a lot of height from it, especially in comparison to the normal jump. Recovery's kinda easy in Smash 4, but if you're still having trouble with DK, use this.
Custom 3: Does damage on the first hit and more at the end, instead of a constant stream like normal. Seems to suck the opponent in between those two hits too. Might be useful.
-Down B-
Custom 2: Electric effects. Has good knockback.
Custom 3: Fire effects. Not much else remarkable about it.
Honestly, these are just really underwhelming. I kinda think maybe Sakurai thought DK was OP and didn't give him that great of a variety of custom moves? I donno. But these just aren't very overpowered like some of the other customs seem to be.
Video of the Custom 2s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umNBc5gMQpw&list=UU_2qLJkKXkaqk3e8JXcQNcw
Video of the Custom 3s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFnGSwfrTfs&index=2&list=UU_2qLJkKXkaqk3e8JXcQNcw
Note that the videos are crappy offscreen recordings, are played against a CPU, and feature me mostly spamming the custom attacks to see what all they can do.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Tomadachi Life, Arena Ferox and Lumiose City seem like decent counter pick stages.
what's the name displayed at the bottom of the screen?
For me, it says "Mole mitts", which is weird because my Mii's name is, "Molemitts" and my Miiverse is also "Molemitts", neither of those have a space in them and I'm wondering why the name at the bottom does. I don't remember using "Mole mitts" for any username.
For me, it says "Mole mitts", which is weird because my Mii's name is, "Molemitts" and my Miiverse is also "Molemitts", neither of those have a space in them and I'm wondering why the name at the bottom does. I don't remember using "Mole mitts" for any username.
Unlocking all the characters is a matter of SDing off the stage in a 1-stock game a sufficient number of times. Smash Run or Classic demands actual player investment and engagement, and you're not even guaranteed the results you want because of how the rewards are randomized and you can even get dupes. You can ask anyone here trying to go for all the customization unlocks about the struggle. And I can't imagine many tourney players would prefer to waste time on Smash Run as opposed to actually improving their game. 3DS tourneys would have to have games/systems with everything unlocked already for people to use (or people to loan out their 3DSes to share or something, like set-ups) for them to be allowed in legit tournaments, I'd imagine.
But as long as you can easily transfer 3DS data to the WiiU, all it's really a question of is passing between a couple 3DSs between a couple WiiU set-ups when that version comes out. Assuming you can easily transfer, at least.
You can also save the customizations to an amiibo so that could be useful.
I'm not worried about it since it's one matchup out of 2500 (?).
Smash 64 actually had it too.
Poltergust
Member
Doesn't matter when the Wii U version will be the one used at tournaments, which means everyone no longer has to unlock them all on their own
I think the 3DS version will have its own place at tournaments. It allows for Swiss rounds, which is pretty much unique to it. It can definitely be used for side tournaments, at the very least.
Poltergust
Member
Really? Huh. Seems kind of pointless for Smash 64 since you can't shield-poke in that game.
EDIT: Whoops. Double post. =(
I wish Duck Hunt had a trailer that was just this.
Have we got any good impressions of Rosalina, yet? She and Robin are probably the two newcomers I'm most interested in.
Also, off topic, but... I was considering buying FE: Radiant Dawn to tide me over until smash Wii U, but it's a sequel. To any FE fans out there, do I need o play Path of Radianc first or can I just jump into Radiant Dawn?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Not yet. I'm still waiting for a closure for fanfiction.
Asking competitive players to spend another $13 for something that may eventually/possibly become illegal is a bit much. Especially if they need multiple Amiibos if they have certain characters for counterpicking.
It's just not something I think is a good "solution" to the problem.
Cow Mengde
Banned
I can't stop laughing.
I had a similar idea for a comic too.
I'm not really interested in carrying around the extra figurine at a tournament all day.
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