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I wonder if Dark pit will be in as a re-color for pit and have different dialogue/sound effects that make him sound like dark pit (they're both voiced by Anthony Del Rio). Would be a neat tribute to the game.

I'd still like dark pit to be a clone of pit in the same way falco is a clone of fox. Varied special moves and possibly even varied normals, but still similar.
 
Watch as all of the other characters get meticulously detailed alts while link gets re-colored skins!

#sakuraihateslinkconspiracy
 
georly said:
I wonder if Dark pit will be in as a re-color for pit and have different dialogue/sound effects that make him sound like dark pit (they're both voiced by Anthony Del Rio). Would be a neat tribute to the game.

I'd still like dark pit to be a clone of pit in the same way falco is a clone of fox. Varied special moves and possibly even varied normals, but still similar.
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I'm thinking boss character on Palutena's Temple or The Reset Bomb. Or both, considering they're platform exclusives.
 
Lunar15 said:
Watch as all of the other characters get meticulously detailed alts while link gets re-colored skins!

#sakuraihateslinkconspiracy
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Considering that statement of his to the effect of the 'true Link' in his mind being a child, perhaps Toon Link will have a little more effort put into his alternate costumes. Though Samus will probably be short-changed as always, even if a Justin Bailey alt for ZSS seems more likely than ever.
 
georly said:
I wonder if Dark pit will be in as a re-color for pit and have different dialogue/sound effects that make him sound like dark pit (they're both voiced by Anthony Del Rio). Would be a neat tribute to the game.

I'd still like dark pit to be a clone of pit in the same way falco is a clone of fox. Varied special moves and possibly even varied normals, but still similar.
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The black Pit costume from Brawl wasn't in the Best Buy demo so maybe they are holding it for something special.
 
Mr. Smiley said:
I'm thinking boss character on Palutena's Temple or The Reset Bomb. Or both, considering they're platform exclusives.
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Reset bomb was playable at E3, no? No one saw dark pit boss. He's in the game in some fashion, no reason he was teased in the trailer AND the palutena artwork for no reason. At worst he's just a recolor for pit, but he's in the game somehow. It'd be a really nice touch if his voice/dialogue changed, too.
 
georly said:
Reset bomb was playable at E3, no? No one saw dark pit boss. He's in the game in some fashion, no reason he was teased in the trailer AND the palutena artwork for no reason. At worst he's just a recolor for pit, but he's in the game somehow. It'd be a really nice touch if his voice/dialogue changed, too.
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Ah, well probably Palutena's stage then if a Boss Character. I know he's in the game in the stronger fashion than other side characters. It's hard to ignore the teases.
 
Jeeze guys, I think it looks neat. Ya'll gotta refill your joysacks. So much gift-horse-mouth-lookin in here it's outta control.
 
I think this is a good idea for costumes that people ask as alts, but are insignificant or changes up the model too much. Though Toon Link's normal clothes needs to be an alt because Wind Waker second quest lol.
 
Mr. Smiley said:
Ah, well probably Palutena's stage then if a Boss Character. I know he's in the game in the stronger fashion than other side characters. It's hard to ignore the teases.
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After uprising, pit has so many weapons to choose from. They're repping 3 (upper-dash arm, sacred bow, and guardian orbitars) out of the 140+ on pit and 2 more via items (ore club and drill armthing). That's rep of 4 types, too (bow, arm, orbitar, and club).

We still don't have blade, claw, cannon, staff, or paw weapon types represented. I'd love if pitoo was an alt that made use of the other types. During stage 6, dark pit can use any of the following weapons:

First Blade
EZ Cannon
Violet Palm
Ogre Club
Dark Pit Staff
Silver Bow

The silver bow is his signature weapon, which looks identical to pit's bow, only it's silver and not gold. That could be his primary. His other weapons also happen to cover the missing types in the game, except for claw. I do believe the Pandora's claw AR card features dark pit, but I could be wrong.

w/ the vast array of weapons in the game, it's very conceivable for him to be a 'pit clone' w/ very different side/down specials and similar in other regards.

Not saying it's going to happen (KI going from 1 to 3 reps in one game... just... like... kirby), but it's a possibility.
 
Geminosity said:
Yay! Lots of SS Zelda love :3
This does give me some hope for a skyward sword alt, but she'd really need an alt model rather than just a retexture :P
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We'll get an old school style Brawl Texture hack and we'll love hate it.


I love this type of alt color actually, and would like to see more

Edit: I want PED Samus

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Tathanen said:
Jeeze guys, I think it looks neat. Ya'll gotta refill your joysacks. So much gift-horse-mouth-lookin in here it's outta control.
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I'll wait to see what is actually new and better in the wiiU version compared to brawl (apart from graphics and new characters), and what I mean is what class of story mode or mission mode is he going to add, if any, and then I will from my opinion.
Right now is looking like Brawl+ (not the quantity jump we had from melee to brawl), and this cheap as fuck "altarnate colors" instead of full flegged alt costumes for every character (something that would have been one of the awesome new things this version could have had from the beggining) is not helping me form a good decission.
You can all say what you want, but in my opinion the 3DS version has done nothing more than take useful time and resources and it shows, and I would have gladly can it if I could get a bigger wiiU version.
 
SpacePirate Ridley said:
and this cheap as fuck "altarnate colors" instead of full flegged alt costumes for every character
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"This new thing we weren't owed by any stretch of the imagination in the first place isn't as good as this imaginary thing I decided we deserved so it's garbage."

I just can't get on board with this kind of nonsense. I can only imagine being the guy who put together that skin thinkin "hey neat they can play lookin kinda like SS Link now" and seeing that the reaction is "this is cheap as fuck, where are my full alts." I imagine game developers are a fairly suicidal lot.

Always demanding more, Internet, when you aren't owed a damn thing in the first place. This game is already an embarrassment of riches, these kind of caustic mentalities poison the whole damn hobby.
 
Golnei said:
Considering the Phazon Suit actually is just a palette swap of the Varia suit, they really should put it in. But as for the others, while full Light / Dark suit models would be brilliant, even some small alterations like shrinking the Fusion recolour's shoulderpads would go a long way. I wonder how likely it would be for some if the time in between the 3DS and Wii U releases to be used for implementing full models for some of these alts? Most of the asset creation should have been done by now, right?
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Haven't you heard? Sakurai pretends like the prime series never happened. We only got the dark samus AT and I guess we better like it.
 
georly said:
After uprising, pit has so many weapons to choose from. They're repping 3 (upper-dash arm, sacred bow, and guardian orbitars) out of the 140+ on pit and 2 more via items (ore club and drill armthing). That's rep of 4 types, too (bow, arm, orbitar, and club).

We still don't have blade, claw, cannon, staff, or paw weapon types represented. I'd love if pitoo was an alt that made use of the other types. During stage 6, dark pit can use any of the following weapons:

First Blade
EZ Cannon
Violet Palm
Ogre Club
Dark Pit Staff
Silver Bow

The silver bow is his signature weapon, which looks identical to pit's bow, only it's silver and not gold. That could be his primary. His other weapons also happen to cover the missing types in the game, except for claw. I do believe the Pandora's claw AR card features dark pit, but I could be wrong.

w/ the vast array of weapons in the game, it's very conceivable for him to be a 'pit clone' w/ very different side/down specials and similar in other regards.

Not saying it's going to happen (KI going from 1 to 3 reps in one game... just... like... kirby), but it's a possibility.
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You seem to run off the idea that a boss character is a boss character because the potential moveset of the character is small or lacking. I'm not saying that at all for Dark Pit. I'm just opening to the idea that Dark Pit could be a unique Boss Character that isn't 10x the size of Smashers. Like you said, there's still a huge chunk Uprising's weaponry left out and I was thinking they could be great for an average size boss character that has high mobility thanks to his wings.

As you said I don't think he'll get a roster spot, but a Boss Character is as much of a possibility as a Green-Lantern-Styled alt costume, if only for Dark Pit.
 
Yay we will get Dark/Light/PED/Fusion suit Samus!
Which will be just a pallet swap, again :(

Sakurai please, I need that Light suit model!
 
Jezan said:
Yay we will get Dark/Light/PED/Fusion suit Samus!
Which will be just a pallet swap, again :(

Sakurai please, I need that Light suit model!
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I'm not the sort of person who clamours for modders to 'fix' Smash Bros., but for additions like these, they may be our only hope.

That, or $9.99 day-1 DLC.
 
Already wishing for modders on a system that's not even cracked open. Good luck with that wish HA HA.

The most hilarious thing is that before today people seemed content with Link just having different solid coloured tunics. God forbid they went a bit creative with one of the colour options.
 
Anth0ny said:
Why not just give him the actual alternate costume?
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Probably because that's a lot more work than slapping a new texture on an already rigged model.

How many fighting games released recently actually give you alt costumes as part of the base package, anyway? All the ones that come to mind had them as DLC.
 
Berordn said:
Probably because that's a lot more work than slapping a new texture on an already rigged model.

How many fighting games released recently actually give you alt costumes as part of the base package, anyway? All the ones that come to mind had them as DLC.
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Is it though? Link's Skyward Sword outfit doesn't seem like the most complex model in the world. Certainly not as crazy as a Male Wii Fit Trainer, which we are already getting.

Also, who cares? Nintendo doesn't follow the influence of other recently released games.
 
Anth0ny said:
Why not just give him the actual alternate costume? This seems like a strange choice for an alt color.
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Probably just a way to throw a bone to the fans of Skyward Sword without making an entirely new model.

The Zelda fanbase is so rabid I imagine if they made a Skyward Sword Link there'd be outcries of "WHAREZ FIERCE DEITY" and "WTF SAKURAI YOU HAVE TP AND SS BUT NOT OOT"
 
Berordn said:
Probably because that's a lot more work than slapping a new texture on an already rigged model.

How many fighting games released recently actually give you alt costumes as part of the base package, anyway? All the ones that come to mind had them as DLC.
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I would say Tekken and Soul Calibur did but they were more of a 'make ur own goddamn costumes.'
 
Berordn said:
Probably because that's a lot more work than slapping a new texture on an already rigged model.

How many fighting games released recently actually give you alt costumes as part of the base package, anyway? All the ones that come to mind had them as DLC.
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Ignorant know-nothing here. Why can't they just copy and paste the rigging into a new model? I assume that's how clones work. Then copy and paste the model, which is probably about a day's work for some awesome dev, onto Link's body type and head. Repeat for every character, taking some time to adjust the model for clipping, and that's one guy's job for two months. Worth it.
 
I'd rather alts go to the characters that really need it for representation, like Villager, WFT and Wario. Alt colors to represent different games is a nice little bonus that gives a little more variety. Hopefully this means we're getting a Lobster Tunic Toon Link
 
Golnei said:
Considering the Phazon Suit actually is just a palette swap of the Varia suit, they really should put it in. But as for the others, while full Light / Dark suit models would be brilliant, even some small alterations like shrinking the Fusion recolour's shoulderpads would go a long way. I wonder how likely it would be for some if the time in between the 3DS and Wii U releases to be used for implementing full models for some of these alts? Most of the asset creation should have been done by now, right?
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Yeah, I don't see them going full on Fusion Suit since it's slightly less bulky than Samus' other suits but some slight modifications would be nice.
 
Anth0ny said:
Why not just give him the actual alternate costume? This seems like a strange choice for an alt color.
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Because it seems alt costumes = more colour options.
Male WiiFit has mutliple colours
Classic Wario has multiple colours
Villager is a bit of a unique case because the base character doesn't have a fixed looked.
Therefore giving Link a new alternative costume would mean having to come up with more colours.
 
kinda disappointing. I get that doing completely different models for all 65 (:P) characters would be a tremendous amount of work and texture swaps are better than palette (color) swaps, but if they're not going to alter the character model at all, then it just seems underwhelming. Wireframe Little Mac is cool because it looks just like what it's referencing. This Link just seems like Brawl's "Fusion Suit" for Samus. Could've at least removed his hat.

Here's hoping there are at least a few more genuine alts like WFT and Villager. This is partly why I support DLC after release for this series
 
Anth0ny said:
Is it though? Link's Skyward Sword outfit doesn't seem like the most complex model in the world. Certainly not as crazy as a Male Wii Fit Trainer, which we are already getting.

Also, who cares? Nintendo doesn't follow the influence of other recently released games.
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Making any new model is going to be more work than changing the colors on the textures they've already made. Plus, slapping the early SS costume onto TP Link would be kinda weird though, no?

And it's not a matter of Nintendo following the industry's influence, it's got more to do with how much time and money these things take and the game is probably running out of the former if it's not going to be delayed.

Not said:
Ignorant know-nothing here. Why can't they just copy and paste the rigging into a new model? I assume that's how clones work. Then copy and paste the model, which is probably about a day's work for some awesome dev, onto Link's body type and head. Repeat for every character, taking some time to adjust the model for clipping, and that's one guy's job for two months. Worth it.
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Applying the same animations to a similar model is probably no work at all, but the problem lies in the fact that they make new models for every character, regardless of where their moveset comes from. If they just ripped Link's model from Skyward Sword and it already had a suitable skeleton for Smash's animations, then that's no trouble at all. They're not doing that though, and instead making and modeling every character from scratch or from their Brawl base, and reworking them to fit in the style of the new game. It's a lot of time to spend for a feature that doesn't add much to the gameplay, which is why you see a lot of developers use it as a source of monetization.

I am of course no 3D artist so someone can probably come in and correct me on everything.
 
Berordn said:
Applying the same animations to a similar model is probably no work at all, but the problem lies in the fact that they make new models for every character, regardless of where their moveset comes from. If they just ripped Link's model from Skyward Sword and it already had a suitable skeleton for Smash's animations, then that's no trouble at all. They're not doing that though, and instead making and modeling every character from scratch or from their Brawl base, and reworking them to fit in the style of the new game. It's a lot of time to spend for a feature that doesn't add much to the gameplay, which is why you see a lot of developers use it as a source of monetization.

I am of course no 3D artist so someone can probably come in and correct me on everything.
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Using another model w/ the same animations sometimes causes weird clipping effects. You'd have to make a handful of modifications to make sure that clipping doesn't occur. Other technical issues can happen, too, I'm sure. The other thing is that maybe it makes hitboxes in weird places, as well. Maybe hitboxes fit perfectly for one character model but then they're either too small or too big for another so it just doesn't 'feel right.'

There's a lot more work than just swapping models most of the time.
 
georly said:
Using another model w/ the same animations sometimes causes weird clipping effects. You'd have to make a handful of modifications to make sure that clipping doesn't occur. Other technical issues can happen, too, I'm sure. The other thing is that maybe it makes hitboxes in weird places, as well. Maybe hitboxes fit perfectly for one character model but then they're either too small or too big for another so it just doesn't 'feel right.'

There's a lot more work than just swapping models most of the time.
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Clipping's rife in every version of Smash Bros., even things like characters' idle stances have clothing items or limbs clip with the rest of the body, when you add in items and such, it becomes even more pronounced. Similarly, hit boxes aren't really a problem for costume swaps, especially those like Link's armoured tunics and casual clothes, which share much of the character's standard silhouette.

The biggest obstacle to getting fully-featured alt models for every character is likely just time - each would need HD and SD models, either created from the ground up or modified significantly from existing assets, and then rigged, a CG render, voice sets if applicable, and icons - most of the work that goes into a Melee-esque clone. Considering time is tight as it is, it might be unrealistic to expect proper alt costumes; at least for the 3DS version.
 
This is kind of unbelievable how much talk and anger this color for Link has created. Smash talk has gone to a weird place.

#Fuckdathat4lyfe

I still think it looks rad.
 
Be cool if one of Shulk's gimmicks was that each of his color swaps was a different set of armor from Xenoblade.
 
Berordn said:
How many fighting games released recently actually give you alt costumes as part of the base package, anyway? All the ones that come to mind had them as DLC.
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Almost every single one? Tekken, Soulcalibur, Dead or Alive, Mortal Kombat, Injustice all had alternate costumes by default. Only Capcom's games (Street Fighter 4, Super, MvC3, UMvC3, SfVsTekken) restrict the default options to color or texture swaps and leave alternate costumes only for DLC.
 
They could just devote one or two guys to work on alt costumes. I doubt it's the hardest thing in the world.


I love all the customization in the Soul calibur games. Imaging unlocking 100's of pieces of clothing for smash bros characters. That would extend the hell out of the single player for me.
 
I can see where this would frustrate people - true alternate costumes are a lot cooler than palette swaps inspired by costumes, and we still don't have alt costumes confirmed for more than a small handful of characters.

If we get an update telling us that most, if not all, characters have some sort of true alternate costume ala overalls Wario, little palette touches like this would be a lot better received I think.
Seriously, this game NEEDS a bunch of alternate costumes. They're not hard to make, require relatively-minimal testing, and would go SO FAR to make this game even better.
 
As someone who's mained Link since the N64, that is one ugly-ass outfit. Also, they're really starting to run out of time to fix Link's face in the Wii U version. I'm afraid Sakurai isn't even aware fans are unhappy with it.
 
Lunar15 said:
Watch as all of the other characters get meticulously detailed alts while link gets re-colored skins!

#sakuraihateslinkconspiracy
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More like #sakuraihatesskywardsword

Probably the most disappointing update in ages for me. I know they could have easily put more effort into this.
 
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