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[JoeInky]

I'm very intrigued by the Chorus Men. I'm incredibly unfamiliar with their franchise so I have no idea what they could have for a moveset outside of shockwave based singing attacks.

There's so many different minigames in the rhythm heaven series that if they go the pacman route of having the chorus men represent that entire franchise then there's loads of stuff they could draw from.

I would infinitely prefer Isaac, Ray 01 and Saki over either. I'm waiting Samurai.

I don't think we're ever going to get Ray01 :/

 

[Beelzebufo]

I would infinitely prefer Isaac, Ray 01 and Saki over either. I'm waiting Samurai.

Saki's already been shown! Ray and Isaac were unlockable last time, so I'm sure we'll see them eventually.

 

[BGBW]

All of the characters on the Japanese site use Latin alphabet. They'll be referred to as Chorus Men on the Japanese website, and obviously we referred to as such when the leaker got his information. Either way, there's only one character the leaker could have intended to list.

Well suit yourself but I was just informing that the english name for the characters are Chorus Kids so people should probably call them that instead of their Japanese name. Or should I talk about how much I'm not a fan of Lizardon being in this game over Zenigame.

 

[Qurupeke]

Saki's already been shown! Ray and Isaac were unlockable last time, so I'm sure we'll see them eventually.

Yep, Isaac is definitely in. Golden sun needs more love though.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Well suit yourself but I was just informing that the english name for the characters are Chorus Kids so people should probably call them that instead of their Japanese name. Or should I talk about how much I'm not a fan of Lizardon being in this game over Zenigame.

What about Gekkouga?

 

[Blues1990]

Can't forget out additional fourth third party character: Mappy!

Who? Seriously, I'm unfamiliar with most of the Namco stuff (outside from Galaga & Pacman), so what arcade game is that mouse from?

 

[Moonlight]

Yeah it's the kind of thing that looks good at early levels when the metagame is developing but when people get more used to what they can and can't do then stuff like that will happen less often.

That's just talking about the current build though, it could change.

Well yeah, I don't expect much long-term from stuff like this, just think that stuff like this shows that there's really something there in how Smash 4 plays for something potentially compelling. With a few tweaks.

 

[Berordn]

Who? Seriously, I'm unfamiliar with most of the Namco stuff (outside from Galaga & Pacman), so what arcade game is that mouse from?

Mappy.

It's Mappy.

 

[Sponge]

Who? Seriously, I'm unfamiliar with most of the Namco stuff (outside from Galaga & Pacman), so what arcade game is that mouse from?

It's Mappy. He's cute.

 

[JoeInky]

Who? Seriously, I'm unfamiliar with most of the Namco stuff (outside from Galaga & Pacman), so what arcade game is that mouse from?

Like most mascot based arcade games, the game is just the same name as the character - Mappy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mappy

It's where Pacman's recovery move is also taken from.

Well yeah, I don't expect much long-term from stuff like this, just think that stuff like this shows that there's really something there in how Smash 4 plays for something potentially compelling. With a few tweaks.

Yeah definitely, that's all that competitive people have been saying about smash 4, that it's really close to being great with a few small changes.

 

[Village]

Who? Seriously, I'm unfamiliar with most of the Namco stuff (outside from Galaga & Pacman), so what arcade game is that mouse from?

You don't know tekken, soul calibur and the tales series?

 

[The Great Gonzales]

The Chrom hate's reaching a fever pitch in this thread :/ I mean, Robin would be way more interesting, but I'm cool with Chrom.

And those Chorus Kids are downright creepy. At least the Chorus Men don't have those pointy teeth.

 

[TheChits]

HUGE super smash sundays is going to start soon.
http://www.twitch.tv/leveluplive

 

[Beelzebufo]

Well suit yourself but I was just informing that the english name for the characters are Chorus Kids so people should probably call them that instead of their Japanese name. Or should I talk about how much I'm not a fan of Lizardon being in this game over Zenigame.

We were talking about them in the context of the leak though, so Chorus Men is appropriate. The important thing is that there's very good reason to believe that the three characters from the 3DS game will be playable.

The Chrom hate's reaching a fever pitch in this thread :/ I mean, Robin would be way more interesting, but I'm cool with Chrom.

And those Chorus Kids are downright creepy. At least the Chorus Men don't have those pointy teeth.

The Chorus Kids and Chorus Men are the same character. If you're referring to Marshall and friends (the colorful ones)... the Chorus Kids/Men have pointy teeth too haha.

http://www.cheatcc.com/imagesds/rhythmheaven_0.jpg

 

[JoeInky]

By the way Super Smash Sundays is starting in about 30 minutes with the doubles tournament if anyone wants to watch some competitive melee, I'm sure Revven would have posted this but he got banned :/.


I probably would have been banned too if I hadn't gone to bed the way some of those other guys were posting haha.

 

[BGBW]

And those Chorus Kids are downright creepy. At least the Chorus Men don't have those pointy teeth.

Chorus Men and the Chorus Kids are the same characters. Former is the Japanese translation of their name and the later is their actual English name. This is why I was trying to inform because I know some people are unfamiliar with the series.

And they also have pointy teeth.

 

[batfax]

I kind of wonder if there'll be a lot more Namco love than, say, Sega or Capcom because of their involvement. I mean, we know that there are characters like Tails as trophies, but due to Pac-Man's nature instead of "Pac-Man" series trophies, there could be a ton of "Namco Arcade" trophies/stickers. That'd be really cool, as there's a lot of stuff to like in there, and since apparently a lot of people don't know about them...

 

[Kinsei]

Who? Seriously, I'm unfamiliar with most of the Namco stuff (outside from Galaga & Pacman), so what arcade game is that mouse from?

You ever play Flicky? That game was a Sonic re-skin of Mappy.

 

[Kouriozan]

Can't wait to learn more about Charizard, I don't really care if he is top tier or whatever, as long as he is fun to play.
From the videos I saw, Bowser looks very strong too, I'm pleased.

 

[Moonlight]

The Chrom hate's reaching a fever pitch in this thread :/ I mean, Robin would be way more interesting, but I'm cool with Chrom.

Chrom's just not very interesting. If he gets in, helping represent a grand total of... one character archetype in FE then that's just a waste of a rich franchise of characters. I won't flip if Chrom is a newcomer, but I don't want him in.

 

[JoeInky]

I kind of wonder if there'll be a lot more Namco love than, say, Sega or Capcom because of their involvement. I mean, we know that there are characters like Tails as trophies, but due to Pac-Man's nature instead of "Pac-Man" series trophies, there could be a ton of "Namco Arcade" trophies/stickers. That'd be really cool, as there's a lot of stuff to like in there, and since apparently a lot of people don't know about them...

Well they do have the namco specific assist trophies with the S Flag from Rally X, so I think it's safe to say they're are going to have a bit more representation.

Also I reckon chorus kids final smash will be something similar to donkey kongs, except every correct beat will spawn various characters from rhythm heaven that start doing things (wrestler, see-saw guys, the cat and dog plane thing, karate guy, samurai etc.)

 

[PKrockin]

Longest running series of threads for a single game in GAF history?

 

[Neoriceisgood]

can I use that 3rd Sonic palette as my icon?

yes.

 

[Subtervotion]

#FuckChrom

And I say this knowing that Sakurai will probably make him godlike.

I can't wait to see Chrom.

 

[Berordn]

I kind of wonder if there'll be a lot more Namco love than, say, Sega or Capcom because of their involvement. I mean, we know that there are characters like Tails as trophies, but due to Pac-Man's nature instead of "Pac-Man" series trophies, there could be a ton of "Namco Arcade" trophies/stickers. That'd be really cool, as there's a lot of stuff to like in there, and since apparently a lot of people don't know about them...

We knew there was going to be a lot of Namco representation for a while, thanks to this:

It seems like they got the go-ahead to put in a lot of classic Namco stuff because of their role in development, Pac-Man being their classic star just seems to be an extension rather than the reason.

 

[Blues1990]

Mappy.

It's Mappy.

I have never even known about this arcade game, but I'll go and check it out, for sure. It looks a bit claustrophobic, however.

It's Mappy. He's cute.

He's so chubby. I want a plush of him now.

Like most mascot based arcade games, the game is just the same name as the character - Mappy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mappy

It's where Pacman's recovery move is also taken from.

Neat. I have to admit, Sakurai's team had gotten pretty creative for Pacman's move set. I'll have to see what other kind of nods there are.

You don't know tekken, soul calibur and the tales series?

Well, I know two of them are popular fighting games, and I did play Tales of Symphonia when it was released on the Nintendo Gamecube, but that's pretty much it. Oh, and Tom McFarlane was part of the creative process for Soul Calibur 2, but the less said about it, the better.

 

[Kouriozan]

I think Chrom might be interesting, but he needs some original moves. (= no counter)
Wait and see but I'm not the kind of person who will hate X because he got in.
Oh and he might be finally the one to wield the Fire Emblem

 

[Beelzebufo]

Also, this might be helpful Neorice, don't know if you have all of em

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lPg0doiKl0k

EDIT: it was the gamexplain guys just cycling through all the costumes. The yellow Luigi didn't exist on the 3DS version from what I saw.

 

[batfax]

Oh, so the Neorice alts are just up for grabs? I wonder if anyone has the Fushion Samus one already...

Well they do have the namco specific assist trophies with the S Flag from Rally X, so I think it's safe to say they're are going to have a bit more representation.

Has this been confirmed? I thought it was just a hypothesis on what the heck the flag did, and then people questioned it because of stuff like Pac-Man having Galaga powers. If the flag really does act that way, that's really cool.

Spoiler

fingers crossed for Valkyrie/Druaga assists

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Ugh, this is too confusing. Yeah, I was talking about the colorful ones vs. the three identical ones. But if they have those teeth, too, I guess it's a wash. They're cute until they open their mouths.

 

[BGBW]

We were talking about them in the context of the leak though, so Chorus Men is appropriate. The important thing is that there's very good reason to believe that the three characters from the 3DS game will be playable.

Sponge says he thinks the name Chorus Men should be the Chorus Kids and will actually refer to the trio from Beat the Beat. I point out that actually Chorus Kids is the name given to the white trio from Rhythm Paradise. In fact the Beat the Beat trio are called Cam, Matt/Marshal and Miss Ribbon and never go by the name of Chorus Kids. So really you've been arguing with me for no reason. Also you really should stop assuming everyone is talking about that leak. Note that none of my posts ever refer to it. I was literally just talking about the characters.

Ugh, this is too confusing. Yeah, I was talking about the colorful ones vs. the three identical ones. But if they have those teeth, too, I guess it's a wash. They're cute until they open their mouths.

To keep it simple, they are the Chorus Kids, but the leak used their Japanese translated name so people have been incorrectly referring to them as Chorus Men. The colourful trio are Cam, Matt/Marshal and Miss Ribbon.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Oh, so the Neorice alts are just up for grabs? I wonder if anyone has the Fushion Samus one already...

I doubt it.

 

[Axass]

Less landing lag

Ok, one of the changes in this game is a general increase in landing lag, I'm completely fine with the increased lag when you do an air dodge, I think that's a great way of stopping people from spamming it so much.
But the increased landing lag when you do an aerial attack is something that again limits movement options, because it keeps you stuck on the ground unable to do anything for longer it ruins your ability to followup an attack with another to have some form of combo game, some people say "well that just increases the effectiveness of ground based approaches right? It stops people from spamming aerials too because they're not safe anymore, how is that bad?"

At a very basic level I could see why someone might think this, but 95% of the characters are based around an aerial game and you don't increase the effectiveness of ground-based characters by nerfing everyone elses aerial game, you do it by improving the ground game of those characters (stuff like super armour on moves to stop them being knocked into thee air as much is what helps, see P:M bowser).

There are quite a few people then that have been asking for some form of Lag-cancelling (the official term is soft landing), this is where, in melee and 64, you press a button several frames before you land to decrease the amount of landing frames, what this does is increase the viability of offensive approaches rather than giving all the advantage to the person on defense.

Me? I hate L-Cancelling, there is no reason whatsoever to not lag cancel your move and it's an annoying input to time, especially for people like me with slow reactions and bad muscle memory.

So what a lot of people have proposed is to just reduce lag off of aerials in general, you feel less stuck to ground unable to do anything for long periods of time but I generally want something different that would improve the combo game but also give more opportunities for a punish game.
A good balance would be to make moves have less landing lag if you connect with either a player or a shield, but if you miss the attack because the other player dodges, then you get the increased lag that can lead to a punish, aerial characters get to keep their combo game but they still have risk if they just constantly try to short hop aerial you all the time.

Holy mother of God, THAT is the infamous L-Cancelling I keep hearing about? The soft landing from Smash 64? I thought it was something akin to wavedashing, an exploit.

Soft landing was amazing in Smash 64, this coming from someone who's zero invested in the competitive community: it was just more fun to play that way, regardless of items, FD Fox only and all that stuff (I usually keep items at max...). I had noticed it wasn't there in Brawl and it's a damn shame it's not going to be in again.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Sponge says he thinks the name Chorus Men should be the Chorus Kids and will actually refer to the trio from Beat the Beat. I point out that actually Chorus Kids is the name given to the white trio from Rhythm Paradise. In fact the Beat the Beat trio are called Cam, Matt/Marshal and Miss Ribbon and never go by the name of Chorus Kids. So really you've been arguing with me for no reason. Also you really should stop assuming everyone is talking about that leak. Note that none of my posts ever refer to it. I was literally just talking about the characters.

We were talking about the characters in the context of the leak. All that really needed to be said was the "Chorus Men" refers to the three characters from the DS game. Your posts just led to further confusion for people who aren't familiar with the series, as we've already seen.

 

[JoeInky]

It seems like they got the go-ahead to put in a lot of classic Namco stuff because of their role in development, Pac-Man being their classic star just seems to be an extension rather than the reason.

Well I think if you had a heavy hand in the development of a game so focused on celebrating the history of games you'd jump at any chance to include as much as you can haha.

I'm wondering what that massive Xevious projectile is going to be.

They also have a massive amount of beloved arcade games to draw from for that S Flag though:

Galaxian
PacMan
Rally-X / New Rally-X
Galaga
Bosconian
Dig Dug
Pole Position
Xevious
Mappy
Tower of Druaga
Pac Land
Super Xevious
Dragon Buster
Metro Cross
Sky Kid

Smash has always majorly represented consoles and handhelds but now we can get representation from some of the greatest games from the arcade era as well? Fucking brilliant.

Holy mother of God, THAT is the infamous L-Cancelling I keep hearing about? The soft landing from Smash 64? I thought it was something akin to wavedashing, an exploit.

Soft landing was amazing in Smash 64, this coming from someone who's zero invested in the competitive community: it was just more fun to play that way, regardless of items, FD Fox only and all that stuff (I usually keep items at max...). I had noticed it wasn't there in Brawl and it's a damn shame it's not going to be in again.

Nah it's not an exploit lol.

We just use it for lack of a more descriptive term and some people read it as we're wanting some kind of tricky exploit in the game when we really don't.

 

[Karsticles]

Holy mother of God, THAT is the infamous L-Cancelling I keep hearing about? The soft landing from Smash 64? I thought it was something akin to wavedashing, an exploit.

Soft landing was amazing in Smash 64, this coming from someone who's zero invested in the competitive community: it was just more fun to play that way, regardless of items, FD Fox only and all that stuff (I usually keep items at max...). I had noticed it wasn't there in Brawl and it's a damn shame it's not going to be in again.

I am not writing this to knock you, but this post is part of why open and friendly dialogue between competitive and casual players is important. I think both sides want similar things more than either one thinks, but prejudices keep that truth from being realized.

 

[Professor Beef]

Whoa, when did Revven get banned?

 

[IntelliHeath]

Whoa, when did Revven get banned?

Yesterday for calling other people names.

 

[JoeInky]

Whoa, when did Revven get banned?

In the last thread someone was posting about how glad they were that a competitive player got put down by sakurai when we'd already confirmed it to be a jokey question and answer, rather than some ignorant person trying to act as if they're better than sakurai.

Tensions were already high between the casual and competitive posters and that was a bit too much for some people and an argument broke out.

 

[BGBW]

We were talking about the characters in the context of the leak. All that really needed to be said was the "Chorus Men" refers to the three characters from the DS game. Your posts just led to further confusion for people who aren't familiar with the series, as we've already seen.

I honestly am confused by what point you are trying to make. You seem to have some beef with me because I was using their correct name. Also the confusion was clearly there before I even posted and I seem to be the only one attempted to educate those unfamiliar with the series. Even if the leaker used their Japanese name Gematsu should really have corrected it and changed it to their official name. Then you wouldn't have people arguing that it could be Matt and co.

 

[ec0ec0]

Whoa, when did Revven get banned?

some pages before the end of the previous thread, i think.

RIP Revven, he will be missed...


edit: double ninjaed... gaf is SO fast haha...

 

[javadoze]

I don't honestly object to Chrom being in the game, but I don't know what would they do to keep him diverse since Marth and Ike both do a good job of that already despite being pure swordsmen.

 

[JoeInky]

Chrom will be a clone of

Spoiler

_Roy__

 

[Beelzebufo]

I honestly am confused by what point you are trying to make. You seem to have some beef with me because I was using their correct name. Also the confusion was clearly there before I even posted and I seem to be the only one attempted to educate those unfamiliar with the series. Even if the leaker used their Japanese name Gematsu should really have corrected it and changed it to their official name. Then you wouldn't have people arguing that it could be Matt and co.

How could "Chorus Men" possibly be referring to Marshal? It only applies to one character, the Chorus Men. There's no reason for the name to have been changed, we just got the name that was presumably given.

 

[entremet]

Did Melee make EVO again this year?

 

[TWILT]

Did Melee make EVO again this year?

Yep.

 

[Azure J]

Did Melee make EVO again this year?

Yep.

 

[NeonZ]

The Chrom hate's reaching a fever pitch in this thread :/ I mean, Robin would be way more interesting, but I'm cool with Chrom.

I think there'd be a lot less hate for Chrom if there was any evidence that Sakurai planned to give him some big unique features in some way. If he's just someone else on the mold of Ike and Marth (a swordsman without cloned moves, aside from counter, but still just another sword wielding character, probably a middle point between them), it'll be a rather weak addition and that's what most people expect at this point.

If Sakurai somehow incorporated class change or commanding other units into his moveset, he could be an interesting addition, but his track record with FE characters doesn't really inspire much confidence in that sense.

 

[JoeInky]

Did Melee make EVO again this year?

Yes, also MLG.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

I don't honestly object to Chrom being in the game, but I don't know what would they do to keep him diverse since Marth and Ike both do a good job of that already despite being pure swordsmen.

It looks like Sakurai's really going for Ike as the slow, hard-hitting one and Marth as the light, speedy one, so Chrom could be a middle ground character. He could also use Awakening's Pair Up mechanic in some way, but I think that's less likely.

To keep it simple, they are the Chorus Kids, but the leak used their Japanese translated name so people have been incorrectly referring to them as Chorus Men. The colourful trio are Cam, Matt/Marshal and Miss Ribbon.

Got it, thanks.