Support NeoGAF

[MagiusNecros]

Places ROB is popular:

So everywhere, the equator or nowhere.

 

[GamerSoul]

I thought he was a generic villain until he went all weird on me. Then I started liking him. Then he died.

hah, touché.

 

[georly]

The variants aren't inherently more powerful, though. They're just different. I bet DK's wind punch is really weak to make up for its big AoE.

Variants seem to be more 'ridiculous' though. Not necessarily Overpowered or strong, but... crazy. Especially ones with humongous range like heavenly light. No other smash move takes up that much area of effect for that long outside of final smashes. It seems like a silly move so I don't see it being a default.

Regardless of what special moves Palutena has, Kirby's stolen special will probably always be the same thing.

We don't know that, yet.

And you're assuming this screenshot is heavenly light? It does look like the same pose! You could be right.

 

[Anbec7]

SmashGAF this could be a little off topic but does anyone of you guys know of a way to use my Pro controller on my PC?
I know there are some add ons I can buy but... is there like a driver or something?

 

[georly]

SmashGAF this could be a little off topic but does anyone of you guys know of a way to use my Pro controller on my PC?
I know there are some add ons I can buy but... is there like a driver or something?

You need something that does bluetooth.

If you have that... dunno?

 

[Karsticles]

Regardless of what special moves Palutena has, Kirby's stolen special will probably always be the same thing.

Why wouldnt he steal from the present moveset?

 

[DaBoss]

That video seemed to have them jump to conclusions easily, and I know he didn't say it is like that 100%.

But that's specifically the amiibo screen. It almost implies to me that it's a gift that is tied to the amiibo. Maybe a way of transferring equipment/trophies from game to game.

I don't see why it being on the amiibo screen would not make it SpotPass. It can be something else as well, but the most likely scenario is SpotPass

The "hate everything Other M" hate train is worse than the game.

Samus' suit design is the best it has ever been in Smash Bros and Baby Ridley is kind of cute and perfectly fine. Accept it. =|

It's a good thing the "hate everything Other M" hate train is in the minority.

Samus' design in Smash Bros is definitely great, but it isn't in Other M. People can dislike it as much as they want (and not because it is from Other M obviously). People can also dislike "Baby Ridley". Accept it. =p

Seems a bit ridiculous to be a default, IMO.

Not really.

Variants seem to be more 'ridiculous' though. Not necessarily Overpowered or strong, but... crazy. Especially ones with humongous range like heavenly light. No other smash move takes up that much area of effect for that long outside of final smashes. It seems like a silly move so I don't see it being a default.

Variants are only ridiculous because you're used to the normal variant of each character's moves. Each of the moves have positives and negatives just like the normal variants.

Regardless of what special moves Palutena has, Kirby's stolen special will probably always be the same thing.

We don't know that. Though it may require new animations for Kirby, which would would be more work.

 

[Ryce]

And you're assuming this screenshot is heavenly light? It does look like the same pose! You could be right.

There's not much "assuming" required, to be honest. This is what Heavenly Light looks like in the trailer:

 

[MagiusNecros]

Why wouldnt he steal from the present moveset?

Depends on if he is programmed to copy a preset move or if he steals whatever move the standard special attack is.

 

[OricWindstar]

SmashGAF this could be a little off topic but does anyone of you guys know of a way to use my Pro controller on my PC?
I know there are some add ons I can buy but... is there like a driver or something?

PC: http://gbatemp.net/threads/wii-u-pro-controller-to-pc-program-release.343159/

Mac: http://gbatemp.net/threads/how-to-use-a-pro-controller-with-mac-osx.342852/

I haven't tried installing these yet, but you just reminded me I need to get on that.

 

[Kyzon]

Is Rob popular in Japan or any place to avoid being cut?

He's one of the most unique characters. That is all that's needed.
Sakurai works with what will be great gameplay wise instead of playing popularity contests.


Greninja was decided before Pokemon X/Y even came out. It's just coincidence that he's the most popular Pokemon from that gen

 

[georly]

There's not much "assuming" required, to be honest. This is what Heavenly Light looks like in the trailer:

Right, but we don't know if KIRBY is doing heavenly light. We're guessing that heavenly light is her neutral B, which it probably is, but we could also be wrong.

Not really.

Variants are only ridiculous because you're used to the normal variant of each character's moves. Each of the moves have positives and negatives just like the normal variants.

The defaults are what the game is balanced around. Heavenly light seems a bit difficult to balance. That seems like a spam-crazy move in some circumstances and one that is incredibly useless in others (assuming it only damages people on top of you). I could very well be wrong, but i feel like some of her other specials seem more likely to be the default, that's all.

 

[OricWindstar]

Greninja was decided before Pokemon X/Y even came out. It's just coincidence that he's the most popular Pokemon from that gen

It's still crazy to me how well that worked out. I wonder how people would have reacted if he was unpopular and, say, Delphox was the clear player favorite.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I'm pretty sure Heavenly Light is a default special. There's also no way Explosive Flame isn't a side special.

Agreed. I think Explosive Flame is more likely to be side special.

I'm not sure; she doesn't blink like with her other Smashes in the trailer and her wingspan for it is far smaller too

Do you want her wingspan being bigger which could make it too much? I rematch the trailer, and I noticed that she closed her eyes when she used her wings.

Seems a bit ridiculous to be a default, IMO.

It seem to be very low damage and no knock back so I don't really see how ridiculous it is.

What makes you so sure?

I thought it was going to be:

Neutral B: Heavenly Light
Down B: Reflect
Side B: Explosive Flame
Up B: Teleport

Yeah, I'm petty much agreed with this moveset for being default.

I actually means that I can't stay in front of my laptop during pic time this summer, so I can't refresh.

And Yeah, there's three regions on Miiverse, Japan/Americas/Europe and Oceania, you're free to switch between them. Also two Smash Communities and two Sakurai's account.

When are you going to stop doing your "job"?

 

[Karsticles]

Depends on if he is programmed to copy a preset move or if he steals whatever move the standard special attack is.

Right, and I think we should be neutral on this.

 

[DaBoss]

I personally think he is right about it most likely not being her Up-Smash. The animation looks odd for an Up-Smash.

The defaults are what the game is balanced around. Heavenly light seems a bit difficult to balance. That seems like a spam-crazy move in some circumstances and one that is incredibly useless in others (assuming it only damages people on top of you). I could very well be wrong, but i feel like some of her other specials seem more likely to be the default, that's all.

The game is balanced around everything. They wouldn't put an OP move as a customizable move because it wouldn't be fun when playing with customized moves.

Heavenly Light leaves Palutena vulnerable for an attack. It is just a multi-hit move that racks up damage. It is useful, but one can't spam it and get away with it.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Is Rob popular in Japan or any place to avoid being cut?

Sakurai always said that he don't go with popularity, so I don't think popularity would factor for his exclusion.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Greninja was decided before Pokemon X/Y even came out. It's just coincidence that he's the most popular Pokemon from that gen

It is not hard to guess Greninja would be the most popular XY starter by looking at their designs.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Sakurai always said that he don't go with popularity

RIP in Piece Ridley

Is Rob popular in Japan or any place to avoid being cut?

Had this sitting in my open tabs for a while, looking for an excuse to post it, and I guess this is as good a time as any...

 

[georly]

The game is balanced around everything. They wouldn't put an OP move as a customizable move because it wouldn't be fun when playing with customized moves.

Heavenly Light leaves Palutena vulnerable for an attack. It is just a multi-hit move that racks up damage. It is useful, but one can't spam it and get away with it.

Sakurai explicitly said that custom moves are disabled when playing online w/ anyone BECAUSE of balance. I'm sure they TRY not to make custom moves too overpowered but they can't balance test every possible combination against every other possible combination.

I still think heavenly light is not her default simply based on the fact that the area of effect is huge and no other move in all of smash bros history has an AOE that large without being a final smash.

Once again, I could be wrong, it just doesn't seem to fit the bill for what a 'default move' is in my mind.

 

[OricWindstar]

Random, but I had never seen this until now:

Gave me a good chuckle.

 

[MrSaturn99]

So guys, apparently Agitha is playable in Hyrule Warriors

what

 

[Ryce]

Right, but we don't know if KIRBY is doing heavenly light. We're guessing that heavenly light is her neutral B, which it probably is, but we could also be wrong.

Kirby's staff is glowing yellow (which only applies to Heavenly Light and Explosive Flame) and he's holding his arms in the same position as Palutena. The implication is pretty clear.

 

[Anbec7]

PC: http://gbatemp.net/threads/wii-u-pro-controller-to-pc-program-release.343159/

Mac: http://gbatemp.net/threads/how-to-use-a-pro-controller-with-mac-osx.342852/

I haven't tried installing these yet, but you just reminded me I need to get on that.

Thanks!
I'm not an expert so I will try these out.

You need something that does bluetooth.

If you have that... dunno?

Well my computer has a bluetooth device thingy so I guess it could work?

 

[SenorArdilla]

Warp is the Up Special? I'm inclined to believe that it's an alternative Side Special like Greninja's Shadow Sneak.

 

[OricWindstar]

Well my computer has a bluetooth device thingy so I guess it could work?

That should be fine. If it's a Mac, it's built in and you're definitely good to go.

 

[georly]

Kirby's staff is glowing yellow (which only applies to Heavenly Light and Explosive Flame) and he's holding his arms in the same position as Palutena. The implication is pretty clear.

You're probably right. For all we know it is her default and kirby only copies defaults (but it'd be cool if he copied customs too). I still think it's a silly neutral b.

 

[DaBoss]

Sakurai explicitly said that custom moves are disabled when playing online w/ anyone BECAUSE of balance. I'm sure they TRY not to make custom moves too overpowered but they can't balance test every possible combination against every other possible combination.

I think the context of that is having customization would make it difficult for using strategies since one wouldn't know what customized moves their opponent would have.

I still think heavenly light is not her default simply based on the fact that the area of effect is huge and no other move in all of smash bros history has an AOE that large without being a final smash.

Once again, I could be wrong, it just doesn't seem to fit the bill for what a 'default move' is in my mind.

There's a first for everything. We've never had a long range meteor and here we have 2 (3) of them.

We don't know how much damage it does either. I would guess 1-2% at most for each hit. We also don't know whether it can be charged.

 

[Kyzon]

It's still crazy to me how well that worked out. I wonder how people would have reacted if he was unpopular and, say, Delphox was the clear player favorite.

I know how I'd react if Chesnaught were playable

Spoiler

explosion of joy

It is not hard to guess Greninja would be the most popular XY starter by looking at their designs.

Yeah, people like Ninja.

 

[georly]

I think the context of that is having customization would make it difficult for using strategies since one wouldn't know what customized moves their opponent would have.

There's a first for everything. We've never had a long range meteor and here we have 2 (3) of them.

*shrug* We'll see in a few months unless he reveals it on miiverse earlier.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Not only is Heavenly Light the special move that best represents Palutena as the Goddess of Light, but I don't think it's a coincidence that it's also the first special move shown. Heavenly light is definitely her default neutral special.

 

[OricWindstar]

I know how I'd react if Chesnaught were playable

Spoiler

explosion of joy

Yeah, I think he's super underrated. In fact, I liked all of the new starters quite a bit.

 

[PadWarrior]

Sakurai always said that he don't go with popularity, so I don't think popularity would factor for his exclusion.

Ah didn't know he said that thanks!

RIP in Piece Ridley



Had this sitting in my open tabs for a while, looking for an excuse to post it, and I guess this is as good a time as any...

Lol! Robly?

 

[tonyh24613]

When are you going to stop doing your "job"?

Uh, likely tomorrow.

All of Palutena's moves looks overpowered to me, and she has the same FS with Megaman, just without animation.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Delphox playable would have made me pre-order three copies of the game.

;_;

 

[Ryce]

I still say these are Palutena’s default specials:

Standard - Heavenly Light
Side - Explosive Flame
Up - Jump Glide or Warp (I’m not certain)
Down - Reflect Barrier

Those are the ones that jump out to me as best suiting her character.

 

[Berordn]

It is not hard to guess Greninja would be the most popular XY starter by looking at their designs.

What, you don't love wizards with bad fashion sense or neutral tone wrecking balls?

 

[Kyzon]

Yeah, I think he's super underrated. In fact, I liked all of the new starters quite a bit.

They're all pretty great.

I think he's the most interesting. Can you imagine this is smash??

 

[georly]

Palutena's counter should have been bumblebee!

Dodges all attacks by vanishing and circling around the enemy in an instant.

Much more unique than 'counter'

 

[MrSaturn99]

this seems legit

Spoiler

/s

 

[IntelliHeath]

Uh, likely tomorrow.

All of Palutena's moves looks overpowered to me, and she has the same FS with Megaman, just without animation.

Damn. I'm curious who would race to take your position.

Thanks for all updates that you have done for us, and good luck with whatever you are doing.

 

[DaBoss]

this seems legit

What if Wolf is revealed this week?

What if Falco is revealed next week?

 

[Dr. Buni]

What, you don't love wizards with bad fashion sense or neutral tone wrecking balls?

I do, actually. I think both Delphox and Chesnaught are far more interesting starters than Greninja, in terms of design at least.

this seems legit

Spoiler

/s

King K. Rool as a boss would be kinda funny.

 

[Karsticles]

this seems legit

Only one week to be proven wrong.

I still say these are Palutena’s default specials:

Standard - Heavenly Light
Side - Explosive Flame
Up - Jump Glide or Warp (I’m not certain)
Down - Reflect Barrier

Those are the ones that jump out to me as best suiting her character.

No doubt.

Also, I just noticed that Heavenly Light has to be channeled. 100% balanced so long as she can cancel it whenever she wants.

 

[Shadow Hog]

this seems legit

Quoting in case it gets yanked by the GF mods:

A guy I know who works for the marketing department of Nintendo has given me a little bit of info about the game as a result of promotional materials he has seen, and while I can't completely confirm or deny the Sal Roman leak with what he has, he said that Shulk is definitely in and Lucas is definitely out, which lines up with Sal's info. Additionally, Mewtwo is playable and King K. Rool is a boss on a new DK stage based off of the Gangplank Galleon stage. As for credibility, obviously I have none, so he said to say that Falco is supposed to be revealed this week. So, that basically gives him a very small window of opportunity to be proven fake.

 

[Beelzebufo]

You're probably right. For all we know it is her default and kirby only copies defaults (but it'd be cool if he copied customs too). I still think it's a silly neutral b.

I think it'd be kinda stupid if Kirby copied custom Bs. If Kirby swallowed a customized Kirby, would Kirby get a Kirby Hat with the new neutral B?

It's probably heavenly light.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

this seems legit

Spoiler

/s

So wait, last page mentions something about Falco being revealed this week. Where in the thread is that from?

 

[BassForever]

I really hope jump glide is her default over warp, I agree with everyone else that heavenly light/ explosive flame/ reflect barrier are probably her other default specials though. It'll probably be warp but I really want it to be jump glide

 

[Geminosity]

this seems legit

Spoiler

/s

the topic starter is a Petilil so it must be true. Inside info from being a Smash run mob

Does anyone else look at celestial firework and find themselves thinking it just looks like a variant of her normal-move beam attack?

 

[OricWindstar]

I think he's the most interesting. Can you imagine this is smash??

Yeah, he'd be sick! I do wish his normal colors were actually his shiny's:

Though, in the context of Smash, a costume would easily fix that. Actually, Bowser's new green color scheme looks a lot like Shiny Chestnaut.