Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 9: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
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Captain Falcon was unlockable more times than not. See Smash 64 & Brawl.
Round 1 (Before E3 2013): "Animal Crossing Guy" (Villager), Wii Fit Trainer, Mega Man, Little Mac, Mii
Round 2 (Before Smash Direct): "Pokemon from X & Y" (Greninja), Chrom, Shulk, Chorus Men, Palutena
Round 3 (Before E3 2014): Lucas is likely cut, Character DLC is a thing
Haha. That's hilarious. I can't believe how excited they were.
Maybe they read all that shit like "Pac-Man? He's just a ball what the fuck can you even do with him he has no moves". Which disappeared, thankfully.
Still someone thinks that Sakurai can't come up with a nice moveset for Shulk though. They'll never learn.
LOL so?
TDLink
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The remaining characters leaked are Chrom, Shulk, and Chorus Men. But it's not comprehensive and DLC is pretty much a given. The other leak was that Lucas might be cut, but that's not really a certainty one way or the other.
So was Marth.
Because, who the hell cares about fucking Pac-Man? I certainly don't. I was against his inclusion until he was revealed, and I know I wasn't alone in that. If his moveset didn't look so god damn fun, I'd still be somewhat against it. If you really think there was no risk, then I don't think I could convince you. But this is E3. People make huge deals out of nothing all the time at E3. If they didn't include him because they thought there was a slight risk, I don't think it was stupid of them to do so.
We still don't know for certain that he's not, either.
Not sure about Marth's case (maybe Chrom's taking his place as the unlockable FE character), but Luigi was only revealed early for the Year of Luigi, & has a good chance of remaining unlockable. Regardless, I remain in the firm camp believing that we won't see Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, or Ness until the game hits Japanese 3DSes.
Marth is on the 3DS box art, he's most likely a starter.
Finale Fireworker
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Pac Man was regularly torn down as a newcomer, even here on GAF. Everyone is quiet now because we got the confirmation, but Smashboards in particular hated the idea of Pac Man in Smash.
This is because Pac Man hasn't made any notable contributions to gaming beyond his initial debut, which you're either nostalgic about it or you're not. Lots of people connect Pac Man as an 80s novelty that never successfully translated into any of his subsequent games. Pac Man was not a universally beloved character.
But then again, the Sonic we had in Brawl was about to check into rehab after his own latest string of games. But people grew up with Sonic, they didn't grow up with Pac Man.
I'm not meaning to start any sort of conversation about Pac Man's validity as a character, but to say there was no risk is probably incorrect. If Nintendo was lurking Smash communities, they would know that there were some very vocal fans who were staunchly against his inclusion.
You might want to dig deeper, there were children back in 1980 too.
I can't find sources, but I'm sure they've been around before that too.
Only for the 3DS version. We've got no idea if the same characters are unlockable on both, if they're keeping unlockables a secret, or if unlockable characters even exist this time.
balladofthewindfish
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I was at the Invitational, front and center. People would have fainted at the Pac-Man reveal if it was shown after the tournament.
Yep. As someone too young to have been around when pac man was new he's always been this weird, before my time thing that I respected for his contribution to game history but didn't really care about. Whereas Mario and Sonic had awesome
or I mean so I thought in Sonic's case but not really
Pacman looks awesome in Smash though, so I love him. Same for all the newcomers actually
except Greninja
Thanks.
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I'M NOT SEEING ENOUGH PACMAN FEVER.
On that same note though, ask any average Joe on the street if they know and like Pac-Man and it's pretty much a guaranteed yes. Until he became a popular Smash Bros. suggestion I had barely seen anyone with a distaste for the character, at least in his classic design. Smashboards trolls and people going to see live high-level SSB4 gameplay don't necessarily overlap.
Maybe if there had been a casual mention of Pac-Man in the game some people would be confused, but they had a well-put together trailer where he's using arguably his most popular design (a lot of the hate for him came from the fact people assumed he'd be using his Ghostly Adventures design) and a moveset full of 80's arcade goodness. I don't think there's a prayer that had they showed that trailer live there would have been more than a handful of people upset with it.
Baron von Loathsome
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I love the people yelling, "The prophet!"
Finale Fireworker
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Come on, that's not what I meant. Children in the 80s, especially in America, know Pac Man as an arcade staple. But he was outmoded by Ms. Pac Man in the states and has never had a strong fan base on consoles. This is the first Smash to even be throwing arcade fans a bone with content like Wireframe Mac and all the Namco stuff. Plenty of Smash fans had an attachment to CONSOLE characters, because they grew up with consoles, and arcades were not a big part of their youth.
Edit: I am not trying to minimize Pac Man's fame or iconic status. The question was whether Nintendo might have considered a public Pac Man reveal as risky. I'm just making the case that they might have.
I remember reading this. Honestly I have no reason to doubt it. I don't understand why they'd have secret characters in a demo build and none of them were caught on camera, but Amazing Ampharos has done some good stuff in the community and lying about Ganondorf of all characters just sounds silly to me. I'm not parading around that he's confirmed or anything but if there was ever a doubt in my mind regarding his return then this practically squashed it.
But the reason why Ms. Pac-Man became so popular was because people were craving more of the Pac-Man gameplay. The character didn't suddenly get supplanted in people's minds because Midway copied the sprite and added lipstick to it. Pac-Man cabinets are still staples of any arcade, you can find them standalone, constantly get re-released and keep getting ports on consoles and handhelds.
Pac-Man's no stranger to consoles in any case, since he's had his games ported time and time again. Even if the original titles like Pac-Man 2 and Pac-Man World might not have lit the world on fire they're still somewhat fondly remembered, even here on GAF where everything's awful.
Finale Fireworker
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Sounds like BS to me. Random probably just generates a number between one and forty-seven (or however many characters there are total) and gives you whichever character matches with that number. For the demo Random would probably only be generating from the total number of demo characters and even IF Ganondorf's number was generated the game would probably just crash.
Again, that's not what we're arguing. The question was whether, in the midst of all the pre-reveal Pac Man hate by the vocal minority, Nintendo might have considered a public reveal risky.
TDLink
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Pac-Man is iconic of the 80s and video games in general. His original games (and Ms. Pac-Man) had huge popularity. The character is still known worldwide. He totally belongs in Smash and it's great that he's there. I mean the guy predates everyone else in the cast except Game and Watch. Hating on his inclusion is just silly.
Personally, I don't mind his inclusion at all.
My only problem is just his design in general. He seems so out of place.
But, then again, Sakurai did the best he could with it, and even made Pac-Man look decent and game him an interesting move set. So I'm not as upset as I was when the rumors first started.
My only problem is just his design in general. He seems so out of place.
But, then again, Sakurai did the best he could with it, and even made Pac-Man look decent and game him an interesting move set. So I'm not as upset as I was when the rumors first started.
Finale Fireworker
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Both of you are correct. Anybody who argued against Pac Man's inclusion did so because they personally had no nostalgia for the character and were not willing to bridge their distance from the character with logic.
The simple truth is that loud and whiny players who grew up on consoles were not fond of an arcade icon invading their Smash Bros. They are the same people who don't care if Mr. Game and Watch returned and would cut him on their fake leaks.
That's been around for a while. The moment that the dude told him this info is on video, so the guy passing it along definitely isn't lying. It just depends on if the guy that "saw it" is.
And even in the case that Ganondorf was actually a character and could be loaded in as one, I don't see why Random Select would have only selected him once in the entire time that demo was being given.
Then Nintendo made a poor choice. It was obvious that a trailer for the most recognizable video game icon of all time would be well-received.
Those anti-arcade players, if they exist, would not have made a sizable portion of the crowd.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Sakurai actually disconfirmed that and we got final destination instead.
Why did Sakurai have to put in a pizza with a slice taken out as a character? Talk about a waste of a slot.
Finale Fireworker
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But there is still a slot where the pizza slice is missing. It's just too small for Ridley.
JB-the-Hunter
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It also got booed because it was on the Xbox One, which, at the time, was one of the most unanimously hated consoles of all time. DRM, Kinect, Call of Duty, Sports, etc.
Nintendo on the other hand is seen as a much more consumer friendly company, especially after their E3. Even if the new Smash Bros. isn't exactly what the competitive community wants it to be at the moment, I can't see it getting booed, especially not if they reveal a fan favorite (Captain Falcon, Ridley).
Beelzebufo
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Also for round three:
Mii Fighter is a thing
Heavily implied that those are the rest of the newcomers.
Weltall Zero
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I honestly cannot believe people can be against Pac-Man, particularly the incarnation that's going to be in. I'm a huge, HUGE Mega Man nerd (the original Mega Man was my first NES game, and Mega Man II is one of my favorite games of all time), and I'm almost more hyped for Pac-Man than Mega Man. I admit I was moderately indifferent before seeing him, since his modern incarnations have been pretty lousy, but the one we got? Unadulterated, pure perfection, and a heartfelt tribute to the most recognizable videogame character of all time.
I know, I know, at this point I should know that in the same way there's a defense force for everything, there's also a criticism force for everything. :/
I know, I know, at this point I should know that in the same way there's a defense force for everything, there's also a criticism force for everything. :/
OricWindstar
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If McDonald's did something like this for Smash 4, could you bring yourself to get a kids meal?
If Amiibos didn't exist, then yes.
The Great Gonzales
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Buy it? Yes. Eat it? No way.
Also, I've never heard a guy so hyped for happy meal toys.
Haha, if Nintendo thought showing Pac-Man at the E3 Invitational was risky, showing anything at Evo would probably seem like a greater risk. Parts of Evo crowd booed a Killer Instinct exhibition last year, and I think I remember some chanted "Mortal Kombat sucks" right before MK9's main stage debut.
Still, I think an Evo announcement or exhibition or WHATEVER would be awesome.
Still, I think an Evo announcement or exhibition or WHATEVER would be awesome.
I'd sooner eat the toy that comes with the kid's meal than the kid's meal.
The Great Gonzales
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Is that right? Not having darkened the doorstep of a McDonald's in years, I didn't know that. What a world.
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