Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 9: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

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I must admit, Dixie being in would soften the blow of Chrom for me a bit because then I'd have another character I'd seriously consider playing in :3 (I'd still be dissapointed at chrom though, I'd just be distracted is all :P)
 
A lot of that sounded good too, specifically the Sonic getting a lot stronger part.

Some did note that Sonic actually was stronger and faster in the current build compared to Brawl, with improved normals at the cost of some spin dash nerfs (lowered trajectory horizontally was one of the things)

And Metaknight being cut sounds like straight up bullcrap though.
 
Some did note that Sonic actually was stronger and faster in the current build compared to Brawl, with improved normals at the cost of some spin dash nerfs (lowered trajectory horizontally was one of the things)

And Metaknight being cut sounds like straight up bullcrap though.

I mean, Metaknight being cut is actually more likely at this point than Olimar and Toon Link having different final smashes :P
 
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Is this the same Tumblr that got confused and tried to disprove the Gematsu leak by pointing out Sal on GAF said the same thing without realizing they were the same person? If so I doubt they know anything legit, and Meta Knight being cut due to how broken he was in Brawl sounds like complete BS.
 
I have to say that I personally wouldn't be too terribly surprised if some of the Final Smashed changed before launch. In the case of characters like Olimar or Toon Link, their FSs were presumably just ported over from Brawl anyway, so them changing wouldn't be too tremendously farfetched.

Not that I really believe that leak - it's all over the place with so much random information that it seems preposterous. Plus, Meta Knight being cut is even sillier than Lucas being cut.
 
I really don't see Kirby getting another newcomer ever unless Bandana Dee continues to be a reoccuring character and have his role expanded upon. Obviously they could create a new character that becomes super popular, becomes reoccurring, and then BAM included in Smash the way Rosalina was, but that just doesn't seem likely.

Kid Icarus if it gets another game between now and the next Smash (which I could see happening) for sure will probably get another rep assuming a 3rd KI:U isn't made DLC.
 
I have to say that I personally wouldn't be too terribly surprised if some of the Final Smashed changed before launch. In the case of characters like Olimar or Toon Link, their FSs were presumably just ported over from Brawl anyway, so them changing wouldn't be too tremendously farfetched.

Not that I really believe that leak - it's all over the place with so much random information that it seems preposterous. Plus, Meta Knight being cut is even sillier than Lucas being cut.
If their final smashes weren't completed, they wouldn't have been in the demo. Meta Knight has a higher chance of being cut than those final smashes have of being changed.
 
I'm a little sad because it will be the first Smash release where I won't be able to play with my brother. (I'm in Japan, but he's back in the US.) I guess the upside is that I get it a month earlier than most people, but still. :(

My first order of business will be to clear Classic Mode with my Smash mainstays (Peach, Pit, hopefully Lucas) and my fave newcomers (Little Mac, Greninja, hopefully Palutena), and then move on to events and the like.
After that, I'll be heading to Press Start 2014 to hear a ton of Smash series music and then get Sakurai to autograph my copy of the game. :D
I feel your pain. I moved to LA away from all my Smash buddies, so I'll only be able to play then online. It's nice I hero play them still, but it's not the same as running home at midnight and playing with them on the same couch launch night.
 
Alt ideas for Mario;

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Interestingly enough, I use all of these in Project M, already.
 
If their final smashes weren't completed, they wouldn't have been in the demo. Meta Knight has a higher chance of being cut than those final smashes have of being changed.
I don't know. I'd be more likely to believe that characters could get another FS than Sakurai cutting a character from his own franchise.
 
I don't know. I'd be more likely to believe that characters could get another FS than Sakurai cutting a character from his own franchise.
But we've already seen that they didn't get another Final Smash. We didn't already see Meta Knight.

Alt ideas for Mario;



Interestingly enough, I use all of these in Project M, already.
Those would all be pretty terrible choices, as none of them are particularly memorable or iconic. Maybe if Mario got like 50 alts one could make it.
 
If their final smashes weren't completed, they wouldn't have been in the demo. Meta Knight has a higher chance of being cut than those final smashes have of being changed.
Mushroom Kingdom U was an available stage despite being blatantly incomplete, as were several other elements such as some glitchy Assist Trophies (Chain Chomp in particular) and some items that didn't quite work right (the Fairy apparently did nothing, the Beetle was a OHKO, and Drill Arm was usually an OHKO...). Plus, both Toon Link and Olimar were characters that were only available in one version of the game, indicating that they may have still been incomplete at the time of the demo's creation. I'm not saying it's LIKELY that they will have new Final Smashes by release, but it's definitely possible.
The game comes out in two months. I'm sure the movesets in the demo have been finalized.
There is a LOT of evidence to suggest that the demo was a pretty old build, from Sakurai's emphasis on how it wasn't indicative of the final product to moves having improper hit distances to Nintendo reps out and saying it was an early build. Don't be surprised if we see some significant differences between the demo and the final game, which could very well include moveset changes.
 
WTF is that Mario Robot from?

One of the Namco Mario Karts, right? Well then maybe that does increase its chances, hmm...

If their final smashes weren't completed, they wouldn't have been in the demo. Meta Knight has a higher chance of being cut than those final smashes have of being changed.

I'm not a game developer, but I assume simply porting the Final Smashes over into Smash 4 for a demo purpose isn't as simple as it sounds, right? So I doubt Sakurai would do that just to hide their Final Smashes, especially when we saw ZSS' new one.

I still think we might have selectable Final Smashes though like in some of the Street Fighters. Seems like an obvious choice...
 
Mushroom Kingdom U was an available stage despite being blatantly incomplete, as were several other elements such as some glitchy Assist Trophies (Chain Chomp in particular) and some items that didn't quite work right (the Fairy apparently did nothing, the Beetle was a OHKO, and Drill Arm was usually an OHKO...). Plus, both Toon Link and Olimar were characters that were only available in one version of the game, indicating that they may have still been incomplete at the time of the demo's creation. I'm not saying it's LIKELY that they will have new Final Smashes by release, but it's definitely possible.
Being a OHKO isn't a defect, and the only thing missing from the U stage was Nabbit, which there could be an explanation before. There's no way their final smashes are changing.
 
Being a OHKO isn't a defect, and the only thing missing from the U stage was Nabbit, which there could be an explanation before. There's no way their final smashes are changing.
The Beetle is currently ridiculous compared to other items like the Homerun Bat or Bobombs. It should be nerfed because a throwable OHKO isn't fun.
 
But we've already seen that they didn't get another Final Smash. We didn't already see Meta Knight.


Those would all be pretty terrible choices, as none of them are particularly memorable or iconic. Maybe if Mario got like 50 alts one could make it.

Tanooki Suit and Racoon Mario not iconic?

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Being a OHKO isn't a defect, and the only thing missing from the U stage was Nabbit, which there could be an explanation before. There's no way their final smashes are changing.
...you seriously think that the Beetle being completely impossible to escape from was a deliberate design decision? The Beetle, a pretty innocuous item, being more powerful than the Hammer or Home-Run Bat?

And Mushroom Kingdom U had some pretty telling problems besides just missing Nabbit. Most notably, random, out of place ice platforms falling at all times seem to indicate that, yes, the stage was WIP.

I don't get how you can jump the conclusion that the character movesets in the demo are ABSOLUTELY ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SET IN STONE NO MATTER WHAT when the fact that anything could change from the demos was said many, many times by Nintendo reps and Sakurai himself.

I'm not a game developer, but I assume simply porting the Final Smashes over into Smash 4 for a demo purpose isn't as simple as it sounds, right? So I doubt Sakurai would do that just to hide their Final Smashes, especially when we saw ZSS' new one.
I >believe< that it was said that Smash 4 started with porting over elements from Brawl (such as the Brawl capsule shown in the original E3 Direct), which if that was the case would mean that all the changes would be layered on top of that. I definitely don't think that including an old Final Smash in the demo would have been done purposefully to mislead people or hide new FSs, but it could have easily just been a product of an early build that didn't have all the changes Sakurai wanted to include in it yet.
 
I'm just gonna assume Jaeger doesn't know this exists in the game:
And that would be a pretty bad idea as an alt cause Mario wouldn't even use it for his attacks. It's just there if it was an alt.

EDIT: They wouldn't change the jumping animation.
 
Tanooki Suit and Racoon Mario not iconic?

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If we got Tanooki Suit or Racoon Mario, it would be the normal, iconic version.

...you seriously think that the Beetle being completely impossible to escape from was a deliberate design decision? The Beetle, a pretty innocuous item, being more powerful than the Hammer or Home-Run Bat?

And Mushroom Kingdom U had some pretty telling problems besides just missing Nabbit. Most notably, random, out of place ice platforms falling at all times seem to indicate that, yes, the stage was WIP.

I don't get how you can jump the conclusion that the character movesets in the demo are ABSOLUTELY ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SET IN STONE NO MATTER WHAT when the fact that anything could change from the demos was said many, many times by Nintendo reps and Sakurai himself.


I >believe< that it was said that Smash 4 started with porting over the characters from Brawl, which if that was the case would mean that all the changes would be layered on top of that. I definitely don't think that including an old Final Smash in the demo would have been done purposefully to mislead people or hide new FSs, but it could have easily just been a product of an early build that didn't have all the changes Sakurai wanted to include in it yet.
There's not a 100% chance they won't change, but it's about as close as you can get. Meta Knight has a better chance of getting cut. If it wasn't finalized yet, it wouldn't have been in the game (the move itself, not the tiny details). They also werent ported from Brawl, they were tweaked and changed. It's crazy to think they'll be replaced.

Your examples of the items and stages aren't comparable. They're being tweaked, you're suggesting a complete change.
 
There is a LOT of evidence to suggest that the demo was a pretty old build, from Sakurai's emphasis on how it wasn't indicative of the final product to moves having improper hit distances to Nintendo reps out and saying it was an early build. Don't be surprised if we see some significant differences between the demo and the final game, which could very well include moveset changes.
There's definitely balancing to be done and glitches to be fixed -- I'm not denying that. But the actual movesets from a design perspective are a completely different thing. I can assure you Toon Link and Olimar won't be getting new Final Smashes at this point.
 
I'm just gonna assume Jaeger doesn't know this exists in the game:

And that would be a pretty bad idea as an alt cause Mario wouldn't even use it for his attacks. It's just there if it was an alt.

EDIT: They wouldn't change the jumping animation.

I'm just talking pure cosmetic changes, and I did not know about that. Holy crap where have I been. That's a good reason, I'd say. Thx, Boss.

If we got Tanooki Suit or Racoon Mario, it would be the normal, iconic version.

Not a good reason, especially considering the white version is from newer games which Nintendo has no problem pulling from. In fact, both could live in there as alts (if it wasn't an item for at least one of the options, already).
 
If we're talking Mario alt costumes, Fire Mario is already damn cool, and one costume in the demo looked pretty similar to Ice Mario. But dammit, I want Galaxy's Flying Mario and Sunshine's Hawaiin Shirt and Shades Mario.
 
Not a good reason, especially considering the white version is from newer games which Nintendo has no problem pulling from. In fact, both could live in there as alts (if it wasn't an item for at least one of the options, already).
It's a great reason. It would be like making Link's default costume the red one or something. It's a bad idea. Of course, it could make it in as an alt color of an alt costume.

You know what's also in the newer Mario games?
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The actual Tanooki suit.
 
I'm just talking pure cosmetic changes.
I know you are. I'm saying it would be a bad one cause it a power up in Mario games and it wouldn't just be a color reference.

It would be like adding a costume that had FLUDD there the whole time, but Mario wouldn't use it.
 
It's a great reason. It would be like making Link's default costume the red one or something. It's a bad idea. Of course, it could make it in as an alt color of an alt costume.

What do you think I meant in the first place? Or do you just play indifferent just to be argumentative all the time? When I said alt, I meant complete change. Not just color variation.

I know you are. I'm saying it would be a bad one cause it a power up in Mario games and it wouldn't just be a color reference.

It would be like adding a costume that had FLUDD there the whole time.

I agree. No clue that existed, in the first place.
 
What do you think I meant in the first place? Or do you just play indifferent just to be argumentative all the time? When I said alt, I meant complete change. Not just color variation.
I agree. No clue that existed, in the first place.

I thought you meant that "White Tanooki Suit Mario" would be an alternate costume for Mario, like "Classic Wario" is for Wario in Brawl.

If you were just talking about a general "Tanooki Suit Mario" alternate costume with a lot of color variations, one of which is white, then that's more reasonable. Makes me wonder why you didn't just show the normal Tanooki suit though instead of the white one.
 
A trusted source revealed to me that as a cross promotion to help the struggling sales, Nintendo enlisted Batman and Superman as the final guest characters.

R.O.B and Jigglypuff will be appearing in the upcoming Batman VS Superman movie to help promote the Wii U (hence the films delay).

Let us discuss this in depth.
 
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