Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XI: Where 90% correct equals 100% wrong
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PadWarrior
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I know I always forget this. He just seems like a mindless monster to me.
He graduated from a prestigious pirate school, top right of his class. He wrote a thesis on screeching.
Mindless beast protagonist.
PadWarrior
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I'd pay to see that.Make it an extra DLC stage Sakurai.
Oh I agree, only point I was disputing was his character being as important as Ganon or Bowser.
I'd actually love a metroid game where Ridley was the main threat. Like he's cornered Samus on some space station/abandoned planet. Really center it around their hatred of each other.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Fixed.
balladofwindfishes
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Also why do the Zebesians allow themselves to be led by a foreigner?!? Ridley clearly isn't from their planet or race!
Anyway, he was appointed by Motherbrain, who is sort of like the hive mind leader of the Pirates, who are more like bees than an actual alien race. This was implied in earlier Metroids, but outright confirmed in Other M (so it's not just a stupid Other M story point)
Ridley was probably a mercenary or general on his own planet, Motherbrain took an eye to that and convinced him to have a place of power on her growing empire of bee alien crab things.
I think I now know what game I want Sakurai to do next. Action/adventure game where you play as Mercenary Ridley.
SA-X was one of the coolest things in a metroid game. I wish ridley were similarly scary. Then, and only then, would the other M fight have made sense.
If you could give ridley a similar role (tearing off the wall of the space station to try to throw samus out into space, appearing in a room when samus is vulnerable and you have to hide, etc), I think a lot of people would appreciate ridley more.
JediLink
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That would be awesome. Although at this point, I would actually just love a Metroid game period. It's been four years since the last one, and seven years since the last good one.
SA-X was one of the coolest things in a metroid game. I wish ridley were similarly scary. Then, and only then, would the other M fight have made sense.
It'd be neat to see that dynamic implimented in the Prime formulae, almost survival-horrorish
This only ever factors in when Sakurai is thinking of potential fighters and all it really means is he is unlikely to consider random Zelda NPC #241. What really factors into whether a character becomes a fighter or not is whether Sakurai feels they'll make a good fighter. It doesn't really matter if Ridley is "more important" than Lucina or Palutena, if Sakurai doesn't think he'll be a good fighter his chances are as good as a Nintendog's.
balladofwindfishes
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How big must Ridley's home planet be to support a population of Ridleys?
RomanceDawn
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I love how Ridley is described in Melee. Something to the effect of "He may look like a mindless beast but Ridley is actually extremely intelligent!" Probably by Sakurai's own words too.
I love watching Ridley squint his eyes like he's pissed from Zero Mission and I love how he puts his hand on his head to shake of Pikachu's electricity in Brawl, those instances kind of show there is a little more going on in his head. I wish we could have gotten a scene of him just holding tools or pressing buttons to build his robot though because I'm every other instance he just seems absolutely wild. In my own head canon I just say to myself he is one of those super brilliant beings who is deficient in other areas of his personality, so when he fights he just can't help but act like a dumb dinosaur.
Super Metroid Ridley left a huge impression on me and I've wanted him in Smash ever since Melee. Him and MetaKnight were the first characters I ever remember requesting.
I don't think this is technically true, Other M says a lot of stupid shit that doesn't make sense.
If destroying Mother Brain makes all of the Space Pirates revert to animalistic behaviour, why do they believe intelligently after she dies in Zero Mission? How do the pirates do anything during the prime trilogy?
Also if her suit is controlled by concentration, how the fuck do the events that kick off Metroid Fusion happen at all?
Other M says a lot of stupid shit that contradicts a lot of other games in the franchise so it's best to just ignore whatever it says.
JediLink
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What even is Ridley's home planet anyway? What is this guy's backstory? It's so bizarre how the Metroid series has so much lore, and yet we know next to nothing about the second most important character.
Oh, I forgot about Ice for some reason. Is he actually going, though?
Also, Zenith 2014 tournament thread (Smash 64, Melee, PM major tournament starts tomorrow)
Beelzebufo
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He's not though. Even when you realize that Metroid isn't Zelda or Mario, characters like Bowser are a more significant part to the Mario series than Ridley is to Metroid. "There wouldn't be a Samus without Ridley" doesn't really make him outrageously important or anything (at least not more than Bowser), especially since Metroid was never really story-focused. It's like saying the Stork is the most important non-represented Mario character because there'd be no Mario or Luigi without him.
Presumably MB had a backup save in the Space Pirate Mothership, and Prime never happened.
Oh I have no idea if anyone is going. And cool, I forgot about Zenith. I may have to check that out this weekend.
SA-X was one of the coolest things in a metroid game. I wish ridley were similarly scary. Then, and only then, would the other M fight have made sense.
If you could give ridley a similar role (tearing off the wall of the space station to try to throw samus out into space, appearing in a room when samus is vulnerable and you have to hide, etc), I think a lot of people would appreciate ridley more.
Fusion is criminally underrated. The game would be perfect for me if that computer didn't kill the pacing.
RomanceDawn
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Oh and I've wanted a game that explores Ridley's origins for a long time! I want to see a planet of little birdies walking to school with their winged dragon mothers and they live a fairly peaceful lifestyle. While Ridley is some insane war addicted general in their armies who eventually gets cast out of society.
JediLink
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SoldnerKei
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because in fact the lore is not even done to begin with, or is completely ignored like in Other M
I like the approach that Metroid prime took, with all those file logs, even if they were pretty much made up, they were cool to read
I would love to see more of it's lore, but if it is like Zelda that after almost 25 years they came up with an actual timeline, well, we won't see something like that in a long time
PadWarrior
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I bought Fusion earlier this year when it hit the VC and loved it. One of my all time favorite games.
Mistake lol. I editeted that now
MrSaturn99
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Hey gaf--oh, Ridley cycle.
Finale Fireworker
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I meant to say, and thought I typed, he is as important as those characters TO ME. I'm mobile and wrote the post and had to come back to it and didn't realize I forgot the subjective indicator.
NOW I LOOK DUMB AND STUPID. I AM SORRY, ANCESTORS.
balladofwindfishes
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I just assume for Prime, Metroid Prime/Dark Samus tapped into the same mind altering doodads Mother Brain used to control the pirates, since she takes a similar role as Mother Brain in the Prime series.
Also worth plugging my disappointment Dark Samus is not playable again.
Super Metroid = Prime 2 > Prime 1 > Zero Mission > Fusion = Prime 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yougettheidea Other M
Ridley has a transmitter implanted in the base of his skull that lets him give orders to the space pirates telepathically if I remember, the Space pirates aren't just a hivemind that can only be controlled by Mother Brain, that's just some random shit Sakamoto threw in because he thought it would be cool.
Also Dark Samus doesn't really control the pirates until Prime 3 when it's due to phazon corruption.
Beelzebufo
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Yeah, that's pretty much perfect. You can stick 2 and Hunters under "Who cares?" tier.
Yeah, I agree, though I like super metroid more than prime by quite a bit, still. Prime is definitely 2nd though.
You also forgot metroid 1 and 2 and hunters and PINBALL though
RomanceDawn
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To me Ridley is like Wolf aside from all the talking. That rival who shows up to f things up, never dies and never the last boss. Only difference is Wolf was in more bad games than Ridley. If Wolf can make in Smash then I don't see why Ridley can't. Also that BS frenemy stuff he had going in the lat to games is just that, BS.
Unpopular opinion time.
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Prime 2
Super Metroid
Prime1
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Prime 3
Zero Mission
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Fusion
Haven't played it
Metroid 1 and 2
No
Other M
Really? Do you actually need to write so much? But hey, if it's detailed and covers enough, then sure.
I need to see part 1 soon though.
PadWarrior
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Ah yeah 50 shades of Smash incoming!!! J/K
Just in time for weekend smash gaf.
Nothing about that is unpopular. I mean, I'm asusming you're putting Prime 2 above Prime 1, which, while I'll respectfully disagree, it's definitely an opinion I've seen multiple times on this forum. Other than that, this is close to probably 90% of metroid lists. The only change I'd make is to the A Tier, but all three of those games would still be in the A tier for me.
balladofwindfishes
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the NES Original, 2 and Hunters (Single Player at least) should be in Abomination Tier too. They're not very good.
Hunters Multiplayer is alright though if you could find a group without hackers. Single player was bad, just boring. Really nice graphics for the DS though!
The NES Original is nearly unplayable anymore. Janky jump physics, brutal difficulty and no sense of direction or progress at all. There's no reason to play this game because Zero Mission exists.
2 is too easy to get lost and it has really boring music and locations.
Fusion is above ZM for me. I found ZM to be kinda simple... Mediocre boss battles, poor room layout, the chozo statues make it just as linear as fusion and the exploration isn't complex or tricky at all. I think most of that is thanks to being a remake but that still doesn't make it any less dull. The sequence breaking by morph ball jumping isn't exactly fun either...
Fusion had better room layouts, interesting exploration segments, great bosses, SAX and potentially the best atmosphere in the series. It's weighted down by the long computer talk segments but they don't tend to hurt the actual exploration. The chozo statues marked your next location 100% of the time and it was usually a pretty strait shot to them. The fusion comp marked a spot on the map but it was almost always never a strait shot to there and often times you had to find something else first or after you got there things would happen and there would be much more to the zone still.
Prof. Bathtub
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The Melee trophies say a lot of weird things. There's also stuff like "ReDeads aren't actually corpses" and "Like-Likes are named after a proverb". Not saying it isn't true, but the games seem content to have Ridley as a physical, not mental, antagonist.
Anyway, the variety of enemies in Smash Run instead of SSE weirdness gives me hope that we'll have more neat trophies than Brawl, which adopted a "throw in every semi-recent model" mentality, leading to a preponderance of DK Barrel Blast figures. I understand that it's unreasonable to create models from scratch, so Smash Run will give more enemy models a chance to do something.
WiiRevolution1
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Iknow everyone on GAF has dismissed the Koopalings/Duck Hunt Dog rumor, but I'd thought I'd post this post from Smashboards by a user called "ChronoBound" who was apparantly able to decipher the final Brawl Roster from various Brawl leaks:
I didn't play Other M yet, but basically Everything > Hunters. Hunters sucked. I only got halfway through sp and by the time I played it mp was completely hacked :/
Ah ok, must have been thinking of the original release date or something, got these mixed up or something. Long time has passed, as I said. Thanks.
Ah ok, must have been thinking of the original release date or something, got these mixed up or something. Long time has passed, as I said. Thanks.
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