Everyone in my home has heard metaknight is OP from the internet, but no one can use him. They still threaten to quit matches because tornado spam is absolutely annoying.
I can see casuals just getting annoyed at tornado spam to begin with.
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Everyone in my home has heard metaknight is OP from the internet, but no one can use him. They still threaten to quit matches because tornado spam is absolutely annoying.
I can see casuals just getting annoyed at tornado spam to begin with.
Troubled Bat
Member
This right here. I thought Sakurai worked on balancing by himself.
You think Tornado spam is bad??? Have you ever witnessed a Tag Team match against 2 Pits?!???????????
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voltronbadA
Member
Thank goodness they took that crappy out move out and gave him the upper-dash arm instead
Best news in all of SSB4 so far.
Neoriceisgood
Member
You think Tornado spam is bad??? Have you ever witnessed a Tag Team match against 2 Pits?!???????????
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BANNED. FOREVER.....BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Won't miss that move a single bit.
Shadow Hog
Member
I also recall reading this in an early news article about Smash 4.
IIRC, it even went into how Sakurai balanced the characters - he pitted them up against one another, tried to see if one character would consistently come out on over the others or consistently lose, according to that stats screen I almost never find myself using, and nerf/buff as appropriate.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Sakurai is so cute, he's the only man ever I want to kiss
on the mouth.
Zomba13
Member
Shiek and C.Falcon were my mains
Still could use Falcon fine but could not do anything as Shiek. Sucked so much
Song of the Turtle
Member
You think Tornado spam is bad??? Have you ever witnessed a Tag Team match against 2 Pits?!???????????
HYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHahahahahaha
BANNED. FOREVER.....BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I always hear Pit yelling "KYLIE MINOGUE!!!!!"
The cat should be a fighter.
SenorArdilla
Member
If it's a good move and you can get away with it, spam it until the other guy punches you.
I could spam Ness's Down-Tilt for days.
I could spam Ness's Down-Tilt for days.
At the very least it should replace Nintendog
Good thing I play 99% offline. My punch WILL hit everyone who ignores the local ban list.
FFA:
-nope-
1vs1
-nope-
2vs2
1. Pit
2. Pit
3. Pit
4. Pit
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35. Pit
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
oh man, I just remembered his cat was in melee, lol
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Actually making the characters and animations is THE easiest part of making a fighting game, most of the time is spent on balancing.
Often, to test a character that hasnt been made yet, theyll use a dummy to test out mechanics and stuff, like lets say they wanted to test out Wario's moves before he was in the game, they would probably put Warios moveset on Marios character model to test out and balance until the art assets are actually done.
ratcliffja
Member
Thanks. And yes, I meant 3, not 4. I guess I never noticed those moves before. I'm too terrible to try attacking somebody when I'm not above the ground.
You think Tornado spam is bad??? Have you ever witnessed a Tag Team match against 2 Pits?!???????????
HYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHYAYHYAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHAHYHahahahahaha
BANNED. FOREVER.....BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I actually liked this if only because I love reflector moves in the Smash series. Definitely glad I won't have to hear the sound clip ad infinitum though.
Pic of the day. Link's downward strike was designed to change to a Meteor Smash when the tip of the sword is aligned just right at the start. However, it will be removed if it's deemed too powerful overall after some multiplayer play tests.
I hope they keep that meteor smash for Link, he needs all the help he can get. Give him a better recovery while you're at it too!
I wonder if they've changed it to act like Toon Link's d-air (as in, you're as good as dead if you miss it and you're off stage), or if Link will continue with his own floaty version of it.
I don't know... he hasn't understood the Link he's worked with in previous games either, judging by his tier placement in the competitive scene and general viability beyond said scene.
In general, the 64/Melee cast suffered a lot in the Brawl transition. It felt like the Brawl new characters came from a completely different design mentality in basic moves and special moves, traversal, and animation.
And the legacy characters weren't updated sufficiently to compensate.
MrSaturn99
Member
man I am so glad I never really used Link.
I still play it. lol
That was in Brawl.
I still play it. lol
That was in Brawl.
unless there's some sort of awesome easter egg I'm missing out on
Remember how Brawl came on a Dual Layer disc which led many's Wii unusable?
What if they need a Quad Layered disk on Wii U?!?! And a Super Cart for 3DS?
Gonna be a lot of unhappy Smashers.
Note, I am joking.
Sakurai gonna beat the REevaltions record on the 3DS eshop.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
No Ridley Tomorrow, that will be the 149th day.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
So...Ridley?
It's going to be his smaller and less cool brother Rodney.
Just kidding.
It's going to be Yoshi
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
only about 4 weeks tho
Since we got Xerneas for the Pokemon release, we'll get some background character for the Zelda release.
Probably a close-up of an Octorok with a quote like "What could this be? I WONDER!"
Troubled Bat
Member
I'm positive we'll get a new character this week. Along with another for ALBW.
It'll be Skullkid, that Majora's Mask that was in one of the places. It has to be!
Wrong. It's
Boshi.
ALBW comes out in December in Japan, so I wouldn't expect any Zelda news in November.
voltronbadA
Member
Ugh, it's people like you that have to always make my heart skip a beat before I come back to reality and realize Skullkid/Majora's Mask will never get in and it kills me. Please stop reminding me that not all dreams come true
This is the true spirit of Smash Bros.
Also if Ridley, Waluigi or Boshi got in I'd get that shit day zero.
Huh, for once they are getting a raw deal on release dates.
They gotta save December for
Ice Climbers
Sakurai's balancing of Brawl was absolutely pathetic. I also do remember an article stating that he did most of the balancing in it too, somewhere...
Not only did the physics changes hurt many of the veteran characters, but he also goes to prove that he intentionally nerfed many of them as well. He admits on Jigglypuff's character page that she is a joke character and nerfed Rest, which shouldn't have been nerfed because it is the most situational attack in Melee. Also Samus, where most of her attacks in Melee were somewhat powerful, to be nerfed ultimately in Brawl which is especially noticeable in her Power Shot and Super Missle, showing that she was intentionally nerfed.
However, as someone mentioned before, a more fatal flaw in his design were the characters he actually BUFFED. Zelda is awful despite having many of her attacks stronger and more disjointed and made Din's Fire a versatile projectile. But all of her aerial attacks, save for Nair, must be sweetspotted to be useful and she has absolutely no approach options, making her practically useless in many situations. Although she was made to be a more defensive character, she needs to actually be able to HIT people SAFELY, and she can't do that with any move.
On the other hand, characters like the Ice Climbers were buffed in many good ways, in attack, speed and Nana's AI.
Of course, there's also characters like Mr. Game & Watch who was thought to be top tier in the beginning as he was obviously buffed up a lot with a better recovery, lagless smash attacks and more powerful in general and the physics were better for him.
To put this into perspective, the current tier list has 6 veterans in the upper half and 15 in the lower half, the F tier (the bottom-most) having ALL veterans: a total of 8.
Needless to say, many characters need to be reconsidered for their balance, especially characters like Jigglypuff, Samus and Captain Falcon who were clearly nerfed on purpose. Sakurai should just take risks and give characters new options and moves, hell, even a new moveset while you're at it. Ganondorf could do with one.
Not only did the physics changes hurt many of the veteran characters, but he also goes to prove that he intentionally nerfed many of them as well. He admits on Jigglypuff's character page that she is a joke character and nerfed Rest, which shouldn't have been nerfed because it is the most situational attack in Melee. Also Samus, where most of her attacks in Melee were somewhat powerful, to be nerfed ultimately in Brawl which is especially noticeable in her Power Shot and Super Missle, showing that she was intentionally nerfed.
However, as someone mentioned before, a more fatal flaw in his design were the characters he actually BUFFED. Zelda is awful despite having many of her attacks stronger and more disjointed and made Din's Fire a versatile projectile. But all of her aerial attacks, save for Nair, must be sweetspotted to be useful and she has absolutely no approach options, making her practically useless in many situations. Although she was made to be a more defensive character, she needs to actually be able to HIT people SAFELY, and she can't do that with any move.
On the other hand, characters like the Ice Climbers were buffed in many good ways, in attack, speed and Nana's AI.
Of course, there's also characters like Mr. Game & Watch who was thought to be top tier in the beginning as he was obviously buffed up a lot with a better recovery, lagless smash attacks and more powerful in general and the physics were better for him.
To put this into perspective, the current tier list has 6 veterans in the upper half and 15 in the lower half, the F tier (the bottom-most) having ALL veterans: a total of 8.
Needless to say, many characters need to be reconsidered for their balance, especially characters like Jigglypuff, Samus and Captain Falcon who were clearly nerfed on purpose. Sakurai should just take risks and give characters new options and moves, hell, even a new moveset while you're at it. Ganondorf could do with one.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
Anyone seen the new alternate costumes coming from Project M for Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser?
The Shadow Queen one is just awesome http://i.imgur.com/lQYqqJe.png
The rest are on r/smashbros
Sakurai! Please be watching!
EDIT: r/smashbros*** not r/smashgaf... I spend too much time here...
The Shadow Queen one is just awesome http://i.imgur.com/lQYqqJe.png
The rest are on r/smashbros
Sakurai! Please be watching!
EDIT: r/smashbros*** not r/smashgaf... I spend too much time here...
Yeah, those are great. PM updates will ease the wait for SSB4, this next update will be big.
MrSaturn99
Member
That's...some really impressive stuff. Almost makes me want to download Project M.
not really
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Troubled Bat
Member
I sure as hell hope so.
Where did you see Luigi? I can't find it.
For people who don't want to click,
That is amazing.
:C
Fitting that the best Mario RPG final boss gets a costume.
Dimensio and Dark Bowser are pretty cool too though.
NeonZ
Member
Sakurai has claimed most of the credit for the character balancing in Brawl though, when he commented about how this time he would delegate balancing to other team members.
The issue with Jigglypuff is that it was originally intended to be the weakest character in the original Smash (even though it wasn't). That wasn't the case in Melee, with Pichu taking that spot. In Brawl, I don't think Sakurai has stated that he intended to do that again explicitly, but I think it's pretty likely that he intentionally attempted to give that role back to it (even though yet again it wasn't the weakest).