DerZuhälter
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Audience: "You can't possibly make Superman less patriotic and relatable!"
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Superman: Warner Bros pitching to directors for live action Red Son movie
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Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
What gave you that idea? He's finishing Justice League right now as a favor to WB and Snyder, for obvious reasons, and I doubt his Batgirl movie will set the direction for the entire DCEU.
I don't think he wants that kind of pressure anymore.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
He's not "Evil", at least from his point of view. Red Son Superman is a huge supporter of the communist regime and Russia.
He's nowhere near as evil as Injustice Superman.
John Schnepp from collider seems to think Josh Whedon is actually there to make Justice League 2 after fixing 1.
Inferno313
Banned
Geoff Johns is the closest thing to a Kevin Feige the DCEU has right now, the first film he had significant input on was Wonder Woman. Whedon is just finishing up JL and then directing a Batgirl movie, but he's not playing "showrunner" for the whole DCEU.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
I like Schnepp, he seems like a fun guy, but his enthusiasm gets the better of him all the time, he keeps making up bullshit fanboy scenarios in his head, lol. I mean, Whedon on Justice League 2 is certainly a possibility if Batgirl does well but nothing points to that happening as of right now.
Captain Skeleton
Member
Really doubt this will happen but I would be totally down for a bunch of Elseworlds movies.
He's not evil. He's still Superman - wanting to help the most people he can, however he can - just raised as an authoritarian. No real heroes or villains.
It's a pretty basic "power corrupts" story. More interesting in theory than in practice. But the skeleton is good if you like Superman in concept.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Red Son is also the most well liked Superman comic that continues to sell like The Killing Joke.
Inferno313
Banned
I agree with that. He's an American, and thus should probably live his life through an American PoV, but he shouldn't be depicted as fighting on the behalf of America, or working as a Government lapdog. He should be an international hero that fights on behalf of the entire world, not just one nation.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Hopefully Henry Cavill.
I have the opposite opinion to you. I'd like to see Elsewods because I'm not a comic book reader and haven't seen these stories before. I've seen the Donner and Superman Returns films and want something new...
LordOfLore
Banned
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Why do they hate Supes?
Because he sucks.
Extra Sauce
Member
I see Putin compromised Time Warner too now.
Inferno313
Banned
That's my point though. There's so much rich material to pull from in more "traditional" Superman stories that hasn't been utilized for the films. They could do something really great with a Brainiac story, they could do something inspired by All-Star Superman, they could do Bizzaro, or President Luthor (something that could also be quite timely).
Lots of wonderful ways to offer something new, without going in this direction yet. Which, I don't feel like is a bad direction, but isn't the right direction for the character right now. As another poster said, you gotta construct before you can deconstruct. It'd be like doing "Logan" in 2005. Wouldn't nearly have had as much impact if done so early on.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
No way this is real. No way.
Kinda want it, Red Son is one of the rare Superman stories i really like.
karasu
Member
I thought it was ridiculous.
One, how about we get superman right before doing weird superman.
Trust me I would love a crime synidcate of america movie as much as everyone else who wants to see ultraman snort krypto-cocaine. But that works once you have an established character who has done well in the medium for quite a while.
Also, might be the... best time for that... maybe.
Trust me I would love a crime synidcate of america movie as much as everyone else who wants to see ultraman snort krypto-cocaine. But that works once you have an established character who has done well in the medium for quite a while.
Also, might be the... best time for that... maybe.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Except there is no modern day Soviet Union. It wouldn't make sense.
Why do they hate Supes?
He's a Mary Sue-perman
Never really got this line of thinking. You can pretty much deconstruct or whatever as long as the movie is well-made. What made Logan have such an impact was because it was a damn fine movie.
Frozenprince
Banned
It's also got the usual Mark Millar pants on head stupid ending.
heh, the ending is what I like most about the story.
(It was actually Grant Morrison's idea)
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Bruh, that ending was pretty cool.
Inferno313
Banned
Logan is a great movie, but a big part of why it works as well as it does is because of the decades-long relationship viewers have with Hugh and Patrick as Logan and Charles. People grew to love their interpretation of the characters, so it made everything that happens in that movie exponentially more heart-breaking.
Now, a Red Son movie probably isn't going for the gut-punches that Logan was.. Yet, I think for a movie like this to have an impact, people have to actually care about Cavil's take on Supes, which I'm not wholly convinced most folks do at this point.
Flash literally appeared after that scene to warn bruce about something. Could be darkseid, could be him fucking up the timeline. They could absolutely retcon the flash screwing up the timeline thus expanding the DCEU.
Or you know, introducing the multiverse in the flash movie. Would be cool if they explain the many batmans and superman through the years. Lol
It was a Mark Millar story, so she was treated as a disposable object.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
It wasn't as bad as Miller's Wonder Woman but she served no purpose in the story but to serve Superman.
They aren't.
I'm not entirely convinced. A well made movie is supposed to elicit that kind of response. A well-made deconstructed Superman movie could have the same impact in theory.
LordOfLore
Banned
Yeah, this was around the time Millar, Morrison, Waid and some others had written up a big document for the Superman reboot they wanted to do together. DC said no and instead they all did Elseworlds books like All-Star Superman, Red Son etc with elements from their pitch.
Yep.
So this was Zack Snyder's account all along
