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[Flabagast]

no oled is a bummer, the screen on the switch oled is pristine

 

[Klosshufvud]

Most of his Switch 2 rumors match what everyone else is currently saying when he said it nearly a year ago. Cut him some slack on this at least. Of course taking this with a grain of salt as one should.


Compared to less than an hour you get with the PC handhelds at 15w. Even Steam deck gets you two at best and they have much bigger batteries. The more powerful these handhelds get, the more battery they consume. Miss the Gameboy days of 10+ hours on 2 AA batteries.


If true, on every level Nvidia's chipset is better. Equal power at lower wattage is saying a lot as the Hz rate difference would be huge going from 5w to 15w. Of course like with the Switch most likely a dev could increase that if they wanted to. Super Mario Odyssey runs at a higher wattage than most games on the Switch.

Do you really want me to post those Rog Ally X battery life benchmarks?

 

[shamoomoo]

DLSS and FSR are not comparable, and given the power envelope, this thing is going to rely a lot on upscaling, is my guess.

I mean interms of hardware and there's nothing stopping Nintendo from using the those features with their own spin on it.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

5 Watts is pathetic for everyone that saw the graphic settings vs. power draw on Steamdeck or ROG Ally. Another reason this will be thrash to play Nintendo IPs only.

FFS, nowadays there is a power outlet everywhere - trains, planes, etc.

 

[Fafalada]

If real - 5W TDP for the SOC pretty much guarantees this will not be competitive with PC handhelds of last year, let alone anything coming out next year.

5watt? Does nvidia have a 5 w chip?

You can always undervolt and underclock

 

[Zacfoldor]

People think DLSS will save them on a mobile CPU with a 5W TDP lol

Just wave that magic wand around Nintendo!!

With what they did on Switch 1 hardware, I can't wait to see them cook with this thing. With how like Portal Collection and Metroid Prime looked on Switch 1, what are we even talking about. We WILL see some magic on this thing and it won't just come form Nintendo. Handheld will always be a place where efficiency shines.

You would have a point if this wasn't a direct upgrade from Switch 1, which is ancient by any standard and still could drop goty bangers.

 

[Klosshufvud]

5 Watts is pathetic for everyone that saw the graphic settings vs. power draw on Steamdeck or ROG Ally. Another reason this will be thrash to play Nintendo IPs only.

FFS, nowadays there is a power outlet everywhere - trains, planes, etc.

With higher wattage comes not only demand for a bigger battery, which costs more, but also bigger fans, which also cost more. And with bigger fans and bigger battery comes a larger device, which also costs more. And may also exclude Nintendo's main demographic - 7-14 year olds.

 

[ResilientBanana]

4 hours on handheld for gaming seems about right. For kids under 18 this might be a problem, but for grown adults, not surrounded by mountain dew bottles and cigarette ash with lives, jobs, and family, this is a solid amount of time if you can find it.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Compared to less than an hour you get with the PC handhelds at 15w. Even Steam deck gets you two at best and they have much bigger batteries.

Do you own a Steamdeck or ROG Ally? If not check YouTube videos - power draw of 25W will give you 90-120 minutes of game time on a Steamdeck, more on Ally X. So stop the BS. If Nintendo really wanted 5W operation it’s pathetic, no other way to put it.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

the switch 2 is sounding more just like a remaster of switch 1.

 

[Robb]

5watt?

Does not sound great for people expecting Ps4 Pro/Series S performance..

 

[finalflame]

And may also exclude Nintendo's main demographic - 7-14 year olds.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2022/221109e.pdf

Just say you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Filben]

Doubt.

4 hours game time is no system seller, especially if we consider 5W. 8 hours might be. Or 4hours at 15W.

But then again... 5 Watt? What kind of games would you run on this? Slightly better versions of the existing ones, which then is also no system seller.

 

[KINGMOKU]

So many reports that don't line up with each other, its getting hilarious.

5w? The original ran upwards of 9w in handheld, and if memory serves, around 16w when docked.

The end of this saga is going to be very interesting.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Thank fuck Nintendo went with nVidia. Switch 2 would be a fucking disaster on an AMD SoC.

Steam Deck is currently the low power king. So not sure what you're on about.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Do you own a Steamdeck or ROG Ally? If not check YouTube videos - power draw of 25W will give you 90-120 minutes of game time on a Steamdeck, more on Ally X. So stop the BS. If Nintendo really wanted 5W operation it’s pathetic, no other way to put it.

Incorrect. Nintendo cares about keeping costs low and decent battery life.

Nintendo Switch is out now. So is steam deck and ROG Ally. Switch still outsells the other shit you are talking about by 1000 to 1 because of the above and also because of Nintendo software and branding. This will continue and so will Switch 2.

While you may care about only power and are okay with 90 minutes of battery life to squeeze extra resolution on your unoptimized PC games, Nintendo knows exactly what they are doing whether you agree with them or not. If they listened to you they would go broke my brother. You know this.

 

[Klosshufvud]

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2022/221109e.pdf

Just say you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'd like to see how this info was collected. Because I'm sure I saw one before that used Nintendo's own online system as a source. Which is obviously not representative at all to the average user. Regardless, Nintendo will ALWAYS be a kid friendly company. You're delusional if you think they even look at Steam Deck or Rog Ally when creating Switch 2. Their priorities will be to keep it light, to keep it cool, to keep it small and to keep it cheap.

 

[Sooner]

Their last two consoles both were more powerful than PS3 and less than PS4.

I have a feeling it will become three, which seems completely pointless.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Incorrect. Nintendo cares about keeping costs low and decent battery life.

Nintendo Switch is out now. So is steam deck and ROG Ally. Switch still outsells the other shit you are talking about by 1000 to 1 because of the above and also because of Nintendo software and branding. This will continue and so will Switch 2.

While you may care about only power and are okay with 90 minutes of battery life to squeeze extra resolution on your unoptimized PC games, Nintendo knows exactly what they are doing whether you agree with them or not. If they listened to you they would go broke my brother. You know this.

Switch is 2017 hardware situation, aka ancient times. Do not apply the same measure to what is happening now.

Nintendo cares about keeping costs low to protect their profit margins, nothing to do with consumer. Yes, you are getting an underpowered hardware where you cannot even change the wattage and settings because according to Nintendo you are to fucking stupid to do it.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Mmmmmh…. Not sure about that, Nintendo wanted the cheapest possible chip and to pack the smallest and cheapest battery they could.

4 hours battery life is nothing to shout about… but eh we will see.

That....and I suspect much like Sony and Google, etc being in no rush to push their phone charging beyond 30watts, towards far more potentially dangerous levels of 150watt that phone reviewers only see as a positive on random brands, I would think Nintendo's attitude on too much power use, and too much battery capacity in a device being 50% targeted at young kids will also factor into things.

 

[AJUMP23]

I like longer battery life, but my switch stays in the dock.

 

[Nydius]

With how like Portal Collection and Metroid Prime looked on Switch 1, what are we even talking about.

Your benchmarks for the Switch are a collection of slightly updated X360/PS3 games and a remaster of a GameCube game? No offense but those are some very low standards.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

It's missing OLED so Nintendo can sell you an OLED version 2-3 years later

This, obviously. Also to keep it from being $450 or $500 at launch. Nintendo wants to hit $399 guaranteed.

 

[shamoomoo]

the switch 2 is sounding more just like a remaster of switch 1.

Ah! The ole switcheroo, Nintendo are clever making the same console twice with minimal effort and maximum profit.

 

[Minsc]

4 hour battery life sounds pretty small compared to OLED Deck's 12 hour battery life.

They should have gone OLED for better battery life.

 

[cireza]

PS4 Pro Power according to experts on this very same forum. At 5W.

 

[amigastar]

Switch 2 is supposed to have DLSS 3.6, right?

I've read somewhere it will only have DLSS 3 but i'm not sure about that. Would be nice if it has at least 3.5

 

[FireFly]

So many reports that don't line up with each other, its getting hilarious.

5w? The original ran upwards of 9w in handheld, and if memory serves, around 16w when docked.

The end of this saga is going to be very interesting.

I think they're talking about the power consumption of the APU. The 9W figure is the total system power consumption at max screen brightness.

 

[GigaBowser]

Does MLID actually know anything? I feel like that guy is a top tier bullshit YouTube bro.

nope clirkbait i am known for my predicitions

 

[Celcius]

5 WATTS?!?!

I used my Switch 1 exclusively in handheld mode and for the Switch 2 I'm going docked only.

 

[HogIsland]

Good to see people are coming back to earth on Switch 2 performance. Not only is it Nintendo's MO to put out under-powered hardware, it's actually preferable for their purposes. It'll keep the price down, the design slim/manageable and superior battery life. These things have to be sturdy enough to give to 5 year olds. Steam Deck, Ally, etc are for older players.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

It's missing OLED so Nintendo can sell you an OLED version 2-3 years later

I will buy it day 1.

 

[Haint]

Bruh.

I'm the first to shit on AMD and champion Nvidia as vastly superior, but there ain't no way a 5 year old T239 design on a larger node is "performing the same" as a Z1 derivative outside of some ultra low power 5W mode the AMD chips aren't designed to run at. AMD's Radeon arm is incompetent, but they're not that incompetent.

 

[kevboard]

I'm the first to shit on AMD and champion Nvidia as vastly superior, but there ain't no way a 5 year old T239 design on a larger node is "performing the same" as a Z1 derivative outside of some ultra low power 5W mode the AMD chips aren't designed to run at. AMD's Radeon arm is incompetent, but they're not that incompetent.

the T239 when using its full clock speeds has about the same GPU power as AMD Strix Point.

CPU is hard to compare due to ARM vs X64.

so yes. AMD is that incompetent. Nvidia's APUs are only held back by the fact that they don't have an X86 license

 

[Esparadrapo]

The math is wrong here. If you have a 5W SoC you still need another 2~5W for the rest of the system depending on the cooling solution, screen brightness and such. So a 20Wh battery wouldn't last 4 hours, it would be 3 hours tops.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

This is gonna disappoint those with low expectations.

 

[LordOcidax]

I call this news BS, Nintendo and Nvidia are in contract for 10 years and that is public information… Clickbait news.

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

Nintendo probably could of gotten away with the high price they could of used ryzen extreme Z2. Be the first console/handheld based to have a 12 core processor with 16 compute units despite the low cu with having rdna 3.5 possibly fsr 4 ai upscaler this would probably beat series s and give ps5 a run for it's money

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

low power for handheld was to be expected, but hopefully it means docked it can pull much more, like 20-30w, otherwise this is just going to be a "switch pro" instead of a switch 2.

 

[AzekZero]

Does MLID actually know anything? I feel like that guy is a top tier bullshit YouTube bro.

To my understanding, MLID will usually get one legit scoop a year.

But the dude pumps out multiple videos a week so you'd have to watch at least 180 MLID videos to get that one scoop an hour ahead before the rest of us.

 

[sendit]

Leave it to Nintendo to maintain the state of legacy hardware.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

Sounds like switch 2 is not going to be that much more powerful then the switch like to switches slapped together.

"The way you manufacture a Switch 2 is you take two Switches and duct tape."

no oled is a bummer, the screen on the switch oled is pristine

It really is. My main TV is a Sony A95K, but I often prefer to play handheld simply because the screen is the perfect size and image quality is immaculate. It will be a step down to regular LCD unless Nintendo has some magic trick.

 

[KINGMOKU]

I think they're talking about the power consumption of the APU. The 9W figure is the total system power consumption at max screen brightness.

What is the original switches APU power draw? That would be an excellent basis to even discuss this, right? Just spitballing, but if the OG switch was the same 5w, on a larger process which was 20nm(if I recall correctly) wouldn't the same 5w be better put to use on an 8, or even 5nm process? Or, way more efficient in performance?

 

[alucard0712_rus]

What is the original switches APU power draw? That would be an excellent basis to even discuss this, right? Just spitballing, but if the OG switch was the same 5w, on a larger process which was 20nm(if I recall correctly) wouldn't the same 5w be better put to use on an 8, or even 5nm process? Or, way more efficient in performance?

For OG Switch that's about 8-9w in handheld mode. 11-12w docked.

 

[KINGMOKU]

For OG Switch that's about 8-9w in handheld mode. 11-12w docked.

See, that's what I thought(although for more intensive games like TOTK it was reported that the switch in docked mode would peak at around 16w).

So the question becomes;

Why would Nintendo limit the switch 2 at 5w in handheld mode, when it was much higher on the OG switch?

Unless of course this report is either BS, or half the story.

 

[AngelMuffin]

Switch 2 will be outdated out of the gate compared to handheld PCs, it will definitely show its age the moment MS/Sony step into this space.

Except it has something no one else does…1st Party Nintendo Games, which is the #1 reason to own a Switch in the first place.

 

[R6Rider]

Less battery life than the Dualsense.

 

[Minsc]

Except it has something no one else does…1st Party Nintendo Games, which is the #1 reason to own a Switch in the first place.

It'll also be nVidia which all the big bad PC gurus drool over. 5090... 5080... 5070... give me more. So that's something.

 

[Comandr]

Small battery; 5 watt consumption. Sounds a lot like the post I made a month ago. YOU DIDN'T LISTEN THEN. WHO'S CRAZY NOW!

 

[LordOcidax]

See, that's what I thought(although for more intensive games like TOTK it was reported that the switch in docked mode would peak at around 16w).

So the question becomes;

Why would Nintendo limit the switch 2 at 5w in handheld mode, when it was much higher on the OG switch?

Unless of course this report is either BS, or half the story.

This news is BS, AMD never was in the equation for the Switch 2, and we know that for years by official sources.