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[RowdyReverb]

It sounds like you kinda just don't like Nintendo lol. Here's the thing:

*Horizon runs at 30 FPS. You want High visual fidelity in an open world? Expect 30 FPS. there are games still being release at 900p on X1. So i we may be a few more years off.

**The console isn't directly competing. That's the whole selling point, being a portable home console. Directly competing would be making a Nintendo system that challenges the Specs of the PS4 (Pro) and XB1 (Scorpio).

The PS4 and XB1's gimmick is being a multimedia center that pushes out High Fidelity gaming in a traditional sense, without the "hassles" that you would get going PC instead. The trade off is that you may not have the absolute best best looking games available, but you also aren't spending an arm and a leg to get there, and they are darn near close enough.

The Switch's gimmick is versatile gaming, where it be where you play or how you play. the trade off is that you just can't get the power of a traditional home console while keeping it portable, due to bottlenecks in technology such as battery and proper heat distribution.

*** Saying you can't replace your ps4 because it has blu ray playback is funny. You can just buy a blu ray player.

****The games you listed aren't full price. But I can't argue the prices being too high if you don't find value in the product. However, it can be argued if 1,2 switch is a tech demo. It's more of a hybrid of digital and analog gaming.

***** Yeah Zelda is the system seller. But that's how console launches work. The company tries to get one game that would get gamers to validate the cost of entry and then provide a "support" cast of games to sweeten the pot. Even though in this case the cast is pretty small lol.

Also, you don't really need to add a bunch of subjectively negative qualifiers to things to try to further spin your stance. let your debate stand on it's own with trying to say the readers by calling things "trash" and "crappy".

Definitely agree with your points here. I think it's clear that Nintendo worked very hard to develop a console that specifically wouldn't directly compete with the XB1/PS4, and I'd say that they've succeeded by making a platform with an intriguing new form factor and different play style from the others.

 

[Jacce]

I have got these systems at launch:
Nintendo 64
GameBoy Color
Dreamcast
PlayStation 2
GameBoy Advance
GameCube
Nintendo DS
PlayStation Portable
Wii

And NES, GB, SNES, GameGear, Genesis, Saturn, PSX, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii U, 3DS, PS3, & PS4 after launch.


This is WITHOUT QUESTION the most exciting launch I have witnessed since Dreamcast in 1999 nearly 18 years ago.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Off-tv on the Gamepad and playing a game natively on the Switch is an unfair comparison for the Wii U. Blurry 480p stream with colour bleed (anything red basically) vs native 720p. Plus everyone can play the Switch anywhere in their home, which isn't the case for many Wii U owners.

On the topic of droughts... From the time I've been able to own more than one gaming platform, I have never experienced any droughts. Especially as a long time PC owner. There is never a time when I have nothing worthwhile to play.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Definitely agree with your points here. I think it's clear that Nintendo worked very hard to develop a console that specifically wouldn't directly compete with the XB1/PS4, and I'd say that they've succeeded by making a platform with an intriguing new form factor and different play style from the others.

What they made was a handheld that can go everywhere but also plug into a tv. It's completely different than those other systems. In an age where Sony is out of the handheld market, Switch is the last device that will serve that purpose. Switch at $300 has a much better chance to succeed than a Nintendo home console only with power between Xbox One and PS4.

 

[Jacce]

Off-tv on the Gamepad and playing a game natively on the Switch is an unfair comparison for the Wii U. Blurry 480p stream with colour bleed (anything red basically) vs native 720p. Plus everyone can play the Switch anywhere in their home, which isn't the case for many Wii U owners.

I highly doubt anyone is seriously trying to compare the two. Streaming to a very poor screen that you have to be essentially in the same room as as a full native handheld system is comparing apples to oranges.

 

[King of Cups]

I mean, if you want a more powerful machine to replace your PS4, don't get a Nintendo. Obviously. Get a PC. Or wait for Scorpio. But if, next to having a PS4, the prospect of Nintendo games and playing console quality games on the go is interesting to you, get a Switch. If neither of these concepts entices you, then, what the hell are you actually doing clicking on a thread that says Nintendo console in the first place.

Spoiler

I'll tell you what the hell you're doing. You find this prospect terribly exciting, but either don't have the funds or mentally assigned Nintendo to irrelevancy and are now dealing with cognitive dissonance, and subsequently feel a strong urge to rationalize not getting one, as well as hoping you get peer validation here. Please don't, it's annoying.

Can this just be the first post to every Switch-related thread? Please?

 

[Soph]

I'm definitely getting the Switch day 1, haven't been as excited for a console since the Gamecube. I skipped the Wii U as well.

It's always the same nicknames shitposting as well, probably some kind of angst they haven't managed to conquer yet. Maybe we should round em all up and make a community out of switch shitposting circlejerk. SSC

 

[GinoFelino]

Some of you are absolute saints for having a patient discussion with people who talk about 'games they got for free with the PS+ trash'.

 

[Jacce]

Looking at this thread it seems most people getting it at launch skipped the WiiU launch (and in many cases skipped WiiU entirely). Which is pretty interesting.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Nintendo, their decision making, and how quick their fans are to let them off the hook, all leads to some ready-made frustration.

See I don't understand the part I bolded. I agree with everything else you pointed and that I see how it could lead to some frustration with Nintendo, but I don't know what you expect from fans. We're not letting "them off the hook" because we're blind idiotic apologists. It's just that we understand some concerns with what they offer, might disagree with their decisions, but decide to go ahead and trust them anyway.

It's not that I don't question Nintendo, I do. I wish they would do somethings differently. At the end of the day, I always buy their products despite what reservations I might have because when you put it in the balance they offer some great stuff that IMO outweigh the stupid stuff. That's it. I feel some people feel to need to hammer it home how Nintendo is fucking us and how underpowered and overpriced everything is and how the launch doesn't have many games and how third parties are never coming back like they're telling the stupid fanboys some hard news. And that's obnoxious because I know those things and yet never felt burned with Nintendo and don't expect to with the Switch either.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

Some of you are absolute saints for having a patient discussion with people who talk about 'games they got for free with the PS+ trash'.

Well, it was a straight up ridiculous thing to say, which made it easier to just ignore. I've already been banned once for going on the attack in a Nintendo thread, so I'm trying to keep my jets cooler lately.

Love the avatar, btw. I'm just a cook...

 

[Okami Haundo]

Definitely agree with your points here. I think it's clear that Nintendo worked very hard to develop a console that specifically wouldn't directly compete with the XB1/PS4, and I'd say that they've succeeded by making a platform with an intriguing new form factor and different play style from the others.

You've summed up my thoughts exactly! Nintendo is doing just about everything they can to move away from their competition. Saying that PS4 is "direct" competition for the Switch seems a bit like saying a laptop is direct competition for a tablet. Sure, the two potential markets aren't mutually exclusive, but that doesn't mean they're directly competing either.

 

[Weebos]

I'm getting a Switch at launch, will be my first since the Wii, which itself was my first launch console.

I'm pretty excited even though I only have one game for it, so I'm with you on the lack of logic OP.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

I'm with op. This is my first day 1 console since the PSP and I can't explain why.

 

[ramparter]

I just realized I have only bought two systems at launch, DS Lite & Wii. Funny, both released in 2006.

 

[PSFan]

Some of you are absolute saints for having a patient discussion with people who talk about 'games they got for free with the PS+ trash'.

Yes, because I'm sure you feel having a game for only a month as opposed to as long as you are a member, is not trash at all but a great feature.

 

[randomengine]

Every time I read someone saying Nintendo is underpowered in one of these threads and all the anti-Nintendo rhetoric, it sounds like someone telling me that President Obama really came from Kenya.

I mean seriously. I rarely read shit posting in PS4 threads about how it is underpowered compared to PC. I did see a lot of "underpowered" shitposting on Microsoft threads.

I think ultimately they need to start banning people who are doing this kind of shit. Like port begging it provides nothing to discussion and doesn't make any sense.

The Switch is an extremely cutting edge powerful portable with a tv out dock and a very competitive price. There is no competition between it and PS4/Xbo because both devices can do things that the other cannot. Those are the facts.

 

[JustSomeone]

I just realized I have only bought two systems at launch, DS Lite & Wii. Funny, both released in 2006.

DS lite is not a new system though, and the DS already had a huge library by the time the lite launched.

 

[Kureransu]

Some of you are absolute saints for having a patient discussion with people who talk about 'games they got for free with the PS+ trash'.

I think a lot of the people in here want Nintendo to be able to seriously compete with the other two, they are passionate (albeit, overly) about it and just get frustrated when Nintendo refuses not only step up to the plate, but decides that they're just gonna go play another game entirely.

So i figure most of them are fans, just a bit disgruntled. Why not have a little debate with them to see where they are coming from with the "hate".

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

I just realized I have only bought two systems at launch, DS Lite & Wii. Funny, both released in 2006.

Ahh the ds lite launch. Such a great day. I had a ds since launch but it's dark screens were hard to deal with in most situations.

 

[randomengine]

I think a lot of the people in here want Nintendo to be able to seriously compete with the other two, they are passionate (albeit, overly) about it and just get frustrated when Nintendo refuses not only step up to the plate, but decides that they're just gonna go play another game entirely.

So i figure most of them are fans, just a bit disgruntled. Why not have a little debate with them to see where they are coming from with the "hate".

 

[oneida]

Has anyone corrected you on this yet? Or are you comparing with launch prices from 3 years ago?

my PS4 and cost me $350 and my XBO cost me $400 less than a year ago.

 

[phanphare]

Some of you are absolute saints for having a patient discussion with people who talk about 'games they got for free with the PS+ trash'.

I never realized Isaac and Shovel Knight were 10 years old either lol

the shitposting is reaching critical mass in Switch threads

 

[Kureransu]

I think this means you disagree? lol That's fine. For me, when I challenge someone's post, I'm doing so to to better get an understanding where they are coming from, if they reply to me. I legit curious of there mindset pertaining to the subject. I the end i learn something about the poster. so not all is lost.

 

[randomengine]

The problem is that we are arguing over what kind of game industry we want. I think some gamers want more power just because. These people don't play on handhelds and can't stand anything that's not the best graphics. A friend of mine is like this.

They don't understand why someone would play games without cutting edge graphics and feel left out and need to justify their position by shitposting on things that don't fit their view so they don't feel bad about all the things they are missing out on that others are enjoying.

 

[GinoFelino]

Well, it was a straight up ridiculous thing to say, which made it easier to just ignore. I've already been banned once for going on the attack in a Nintendo thread, so I'm trying to keep my jets cooler lately.

Love the avatar, btw. I'm just a cook...

Haha, that's probably wise! And thanks for the Seagal shoutout <3

Yes, because I'm sure you feel having a game for only a month as opposed to as long as you are a member, is not trash at all but a great feature.

I have no idea how this relates to anything I just said. But the random passive-aggressive attitude is very much appreciated nonetheless!

I never realized Isaac and Shovel Knight were 10 years old either lol

the shitposting is reaching critical mass in Switch threads

It's wonderful how selectively the shitposters manage to inform themselves. It's like they got a version of the facts that consists only of exaggerated negative aspects.

 

[randomengine]

I think this means you disagree? lol That's fine. For me, when I challenge someone's post, I'm doing so to to better get an understanding where they are coming from, if they reply to me. I legit curious of there mindset pertaining to the subject. I the end i learn something about the poster. so not all is lost.

I wasn't really disagreeing. I was giving an example of the kind of person you are referring to. ultimately I think it boils down to what kind of gamer you are. The kinds of gamers who enjoy games broadly love Nintendo and love the kind of things Nintendo does now. The kinds of gamers who like very narrow things like graphics worship or FPS or adreneline junkies - they have a hard time enjoying yarn yoshi or captain toad. It's not the fact that Nintendo is deficient but that they are unable to enjoy most of what gaming has to offer. Nintendo systems are not designed for them in mind and I think they feel frustrated and left out. Which explains why 1 2 Switch garners so much hate from them. People are having obvious fun and joy and they can't let themselves participate in it.

It's the Grinch syndrome

 

[m.i.s.]

Ahh the ds lite launch. Such a great day. I had a ds since launch but it's dark screens were hard to deal with in most situations.

They may have not been as bright as they are today because, I guess, back-light tech is being improved and refined all the time. Also, at the time, we only had the front-lit GBA SP to compare it to.

But the DS was such a positive launch because -

-- mass market price
-- mass market software prices
-- GBA back compat
-- responsive, accurate and durable touchscreen
-- new experimental software that genuinely took advantage of the above
-- above precursor to Touch Generations, Brain Training etc
-- first N. hardware to introduce totally wireless gameplay for the first time
--16hrs + battery life?

Had so much going for it - now wonder it did so well!

/off-topic

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

Yes, because I'm sure you feel having a game for only a month as opposed to as long as you are a member, is not trash at all but a great feature.

A) we don't know how any of this will work yet, and B) the service will cost a third of PS Plus.

But by all means keep shitposting disinformation! You're skilled at it.

 

[Kureransu]

The problem is that we are arguing over what kind of game industry we want. I think some gamers want more power just because. These people don't play on handhelds and can't stand anything that's not the best graphics. A friend of mine is like this.

They don't understand why someone would play games without cutting edge graphics and feel left out and need to justify their position by shitposting on things that don't fit their view so they don't feel bad about all the things they are missing out on that others are enjoying.

Ah this further clarifies your reply to me.

while I don't want to make a sweeping generalizations I do agree with you to a degree. To add to that, I feel some people don't want things that are different to take off and become popular for fear that it'll compromise what they like from the devs and pubs to chase the money. In the past people have felt that the Wii's success convinced Sony and MS to waste money and time on motions via Move and the Kinect, which is term wasted dev time making games for them, when they could be making games they actually want to play.

I feel that view is pretty selfish, and that traditional game will around be around with just a controller and TV, but i also feel that shouldn't be what defines playing digital (video) games. They so many ways to play analog games, via board games, card games, tabletop, etc. Why should digital games just be a tv and a controller? I think we should push for a very versatile industry, where there is a potential for people who play video games in the traditional manner can venture out to different ways and vice versa. It only helps the industry as a whole.

Edit:

I just read your follow-up response as well. Yeah the 1,2 switch thing is crazy. I can't believe legit think this isn't a game. It's the very definition of it.

 

[randomengine]

They may have not been as bright as they are today because, I guess, back-light tech is being improved and refined all the time. Also, at the time, we only had the front-lit GBA SP to compare it to.

But the DS was such a positive launch because -

-- mass market price
-- mass market software prices
-- GBA back compat
-- responsive, accurate and durable touchscreen
-- new experimental software that genuinely took advantage of the above
-- above precursor to Touch Generations, Brain Training etc
-- first N. hardware to introduce totally wireless gameplay for the first time
--16hrs + battery life?

Had so much going for it - now wonder it did so well!

/off-topic

Switch unfortunately has to be the system of transition that can't rely on backward compatibility unless Nintendo figures out something with the eshop and digital purchase and porting.

Once switch is successful switch 2 that plays all the old games will have similar advantages. I am hoping for PS4/pro graphics which means easy ports from gen 8 at that point.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Looking at this thread it seems most people getting it at launch skipped the WiiU launch (and in many cases skipped WiiU entirely). Which is pretty interesting.

It makes a lot of sense when you consider Zelda. It's sorta the same idea as the Wii launch- not many people owned Gamecubes, so if you want the newest Zelda do you buy an old Gamecube or a brand new Wii?

Same thing here, not many people own Wii Us, so if you want the shiny new Zelda do you buy an old, dead Wii U or a shiny new Switch?

It's a tried and true strategy.

 

[randomengine]

Ah this further clarifies your reply to me.

while I don't want to make a sweeping generalizations I do agree with you to a degree. To add to that, I feel some people don't want things that are different to take off and become popular for fear that it'll compromise what they like from the devs and pubs, to chase the money. In the past people have felt that the Wii's success convinced Sony, and MS to waste money and time on motions via move and the Kinect, which is term wasted dev time making games for them, when they could be making games they actually want to play.

I feel that view is pretty selfish, and that traditional game will around be around with just a controller and TV, but i also feel that shouldn't be what defines playing digital (video) games. They so many ways to play analog games, via board games, card games, tabletop, etc. Why should digital games just be a tv and a controller? I think we should push for a very versatile industry, where there is a potential for people who play video games in the traditional manner can venture out to different ways and vice versa. I only helps the industry as a whole

Very true. I saw the same in comic book culture and I'm glad you articulated it so well. This grinding of the gears of perceived negative progress. Man if you suggest ps5 will be like switch some people lose their minds.

 

[FonkyByNature]

I'm also getting the Switch day one. I bought a lot of consoles day one, i actually like being the first in console launches, it's an exiting moment to me !

The Nintendo Switch is the kind of console that i always wanted, a true hybrid that i can take anywhere with me. This is the future to me, not some traditional console that i can't take with me. I mean i love my PS4 and Xbox One but i'm way more exited for the Switch.

As a father and a gamer who has less and less time to play games, the Switch is just perfect for me as i can play games in the bed when i'm about to go to sleep or in the morning when i wake up and don't want to make too much noise. Also, the fact that i can take my console anywhere with me is just awesome + the different control options is amazing too. The Switch is also a party system where LAN play and local play is a big focus, something the other guys don't do that much.

I don't even understand why some shit posters bring the graphics debate for a Nintendo console. The Switch games will look great and play great, graphics are at a point where it's not that important anymore because the games look good enough, to me anyway. I want more innovation in gameplay and unique ideas, this is where i think the Switch will succeed.

The Switch is really made for my lifestyle and i'm so happy a console like this is coming. My big concern is the games drought but even then i'm sure i will be mostly satisfied with the Nintendo quality games.

I can't wait. I've got the Switch, Zelda and a Pro controller on pre-order. 2 more weeks to go...

 

[Jacce]

They may have not been as bright as they are today because, I guess, back-light tech is being improved and refined all the time. Also, at the time, we only had the front-lit GBA SP to compare it to.

But the DS was such a positive launch because -

-- mass market price
-- mass market software prices
-- GBA back compat
-- responsive, accurate and durable touchscreen
-- new experimental software that genuinely took advantage of the above
-- above precursor to Touch Generations, Brain Training etc
-- first N. hardware to introduce totally wireless gameplay for the first time
--16hrs + battery life?

Had so much going for it - now wonder it did so well!

/off-topic

You are the first person I ever have seen to call the disaster that was the DS launch in 2004 a positive.

The original DS launch is 2004 was a disaster followed by the worst software drought in Nintendo history. It took the Lite to fix it. The Switch launch and launch window lineup is better in almost every single way. Switch is much more complete hardware than the bulky half-assed original DS, far stronger lineup and launch window of software as well. Marketing has been leagues better than DS in 2004 as well.

The Nintendo DS launch/launch window in 2004 was the worst launch for Nintendo hardware in terms of hardware quality and software this side of Virtual Boy. Easily worse than even WIiU.

DS sales struggled horribly too until the Brain Age/DS Lite second life.

 

[SuperPac]

I'm also getting the Switch day one. I bought a lot of consoles day one, i actually like being the first in console launches, it's an exiting moment to me !

The Nintendo Switch is the kind of console that i always wanted, a true hybrid that i can take anywhere with me. This is the future to me, not some traditional console that i can't take with me. I mean i love my PS4 and Xbox One but i'm way more exited for the Switch.

As a father and a gamer who has less and less time to play games, the Switch is just perfect for me as i can play games in the bed when i'm about to go to sleep or in the morning when i wake up and don't want to make too much noise. Also, the fact that i can take my console anywhere with me is just awesome + the different control options is amazing too. The Switch is also a party system where LAN play and local play is a big focus, something the other guys don't do that much.

I don't even understand why some shit posters bring the graphics debate for a Nintendo console. The Switch games will look great and play great, graphics are at a point where it's not that important anymore because the games look good enough, to me anyway. I want more innovation in gameplay and unique ideas, this is where i think the Switch will succeed.

The Switch is really made for my lifestyle and i'm so happy a console like this is coming. My big concern is the games drought but even then i'm sure i will be mostly satisfied with the Nintendo quality games.

I can't wait. I've got the Switch, Zelda and a Pro controller on pre-order. 2 more weeks to go...

I am in this same position and I hope that this concept is a success for Nintendo and that third parties bring more of their multiplatform titles to the Switch. While I like the PS4 and XBO, I am not as into the spec race as I once was, and the idea of playing in Handheld mode anywhere is a huge plus.

 

[Lgndryhr]

This will not be my first launch console. I got the PS4, Wii, Gamecube, and N64. I waited on the 360 until Gears 1, on the Xbox One until Gears 4, on the previous PS consoles, Sega Genesis, and SNES. I've also gotten most of the Nintendo handhelds on launch or close to it. I got the PSP once the slim version came out. Hate I skipped the Vita and Dreamcast, but not upset I skipped the Wii U. Just could never justify the cost of the Wii U for the few games I'd play. The Switch doesn't feel outdated like the Wii U did at launch.

 

[StAidan]

I've never bought a console on day one before, but the Switch sold me. Part of it's about getting the best possible Zelda experience, but a major component for me is the prospect of playing great games on a console that can be both portable and stationary. And the announced lineup of games this year (so far) is enough to seal the deal. This is Nintendo at its best.

 

[BGBW]

I did catch up on Wii games on my Wii U in the early days. This was despite having a Wii. The cleaner image from the Wii U was a little bonus for me personally.

So I suppose if the Switch had BC with Wii U it would have been nice, but of course I know that's entirely unpractical and the Wii U displays its games on my TV nicely anyway.

 

[Kurt]

It's a bit random that launch games from devs are added like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da9yiaad7xM

Anyway, did order my switch at launch.
Last console was n64 i order for launch

 

[Jacce]

I did catch up on Wii games on my Wii U in the early days. This was despite having a Wii. The cleaner image from the Wii U was a little bonus for me personally.

So I suppose if the Switch had BC with Wii U it would have been nice, but of course I know that's entirely unpractical and the Wii U displays its games on my TV nicely anyway.

Impossible more than impractical.

 

[bumpkin]

I think the only Nintendo home console I didn't get on day one was the GameCube. It wasn't a knock against them or the hardware, I just wasn't keeping up with the news and announcements as much then. I do remember being able to grab one on a whim during my lunch break shortly after launch, which certainly wasn't the case with the PS2.

I'm mostly excited about being able to take whatever I'm playing at home on a TV with me to work for more play during my lunch breaks. I have so many games in my backlog right now for other consoles, I'd love to be able to take them with me and get in extra play when I'm away from home, but I can't; they're on consoles that need a TV.

It'll also be fun to be able to show it to my coworkers, bring in some multiplayer games for them to try, maybe get them aboard the hype train with me.

 

[ASIS]

They may have not been as bright as they are today because, I guess, back-light tech is being improved and refined all the time. Also, at the time, we only had the front-lit GBA SP to compare it to.

But the DS was such a positive launch because -

-- mass market price
-- mass market software prices
-- GBA back compat
-- responsive, accurate and durable touchscreen
-- new experimental software that genuinely took advantage of the above
-- above precursor to Touch Generations, Brain Training etc
-- first N. hardware to introduce totally wireless gameplay for the first time
--16hrs + battery life?

Had so much going for it - now wonder it did so well!

/off-topic

Correction, the DS's launch was far from successful.

 

[PSFan]

A) we don't know how any of this will work yet, and B) the service will cost a third of PS Plus.

But by all means keep shitposting disinformation! You're skilled at it.

Nintendo stated specifically that you will only have the game for the month and then it will be gone.

How the hell is that disinformation? And you think I"m the skilled one at it?

 

[Skittzo0413]

Nintendo stated specifically that you will only have the game for the month and then it will be gone.

How the hell is that disinformation? And you think I"m the skilled one at it?

The monthly game has been described as an NES/SNES game with added online functionality. However we don't know what the details behind this online functionality are, nor do we know if the online functionality is what is removed after a month or the full game is.

The idea behind having this one, same game every month is that it gets the entire online community focused on playing this one game online. So it's very possible that the game's online functions are just removed at the end of the month and the base game is still yours. But we don't know yet.

So basically, Nintendo sucks at communication as usual and people jump to conclusions.

 

[casey_contra]

Nintendo stated specifically that you will only have the game for the month and then it will be gone.

How the hell is that disinformation? And you think I"m the skilled one at it?

Now I am not trying to pick a fight, and maybe this is just me being hopefully delusional, but that isn't actually what Nintendo says... Personally, I do think that it's the case that you will lose the game at the end of the month, but let's take a look at the two official Nintendo statements.

From the website: Subscribers will get to download and play a Nintendo Entertainment System&#8482; (NES) or Super Nintendo Entertainment System&#8482; (Super NES) game (with newly-added online play) for free for a month.

There are essentially two things here, and the confusion comes from "download and play" If you break this down into two sentences and get rid of the long system names you get:

Subscribers will get to download a game for free for a month.

and

Subscribers will get to play a game for free for a month.

The first part is exactly what we get on PSN. As a subscriber, I get to download certain games for free for a one month period. Then I would have to pay. The confusing part is "play a game for free for a month." This is what suggests you will have to pay to play after the month period... but still if you use PSN as an example it's not incorrect to say "Subscribers will get to download and play [Day of the Tentacle, etc.] for free for a month."

Now let's look at Reggie from the Wired interview:

Wired: Nintendo's online service for Switch will charge a monthly fee and one of the incentives is one free classic game "per month." Does that mean you lose access to that game after a month?

Reggie Fils-Aime: Correct. It means that essentially you've got access to that game for a period of time, and then after the month there's a new selection. You'll have the opportunity to buy it, but [after] that month we've moved on to another game.

The ambiguity here is in the word "access." Access as in access to play or access to download? Going back to PSN, you only have "access" to the free games that month, then you still have an opportunity to buy it, but the free games have changed.

Of course, he may also mean access to play, outright saying that you cannot play the game at all for free when the month is over, which is how most people are reasonably reading it.

Like I said, I definitely think it's going to be more of a rental, I just have a problem with people saying Nintendo stated something specifically, because you can see there is a lot of ambiguity. Is it likely only a month-long free play period? Yes. But I can definitely see how someone might read it differently and until we get more information we really can't say for sure.

 

[m.i.s.]

You are the first person I ever have seen to call the disaster that was the DS launch in 2004 a positive.

The original DS launch is 2004 was a disaster followed by the worst software drought in Nintendo history. It took the Lite to fix it. The Switch launch and launch window lineup is better in almost every single way. Switch is much more complete hardware than the bulky half-assed original DS, far stronger lineup and launch window of software as well. Marketing has been leagues better than DS in 2004 as well.

The Nintendo DS launch/launch window in 2004 was the worst launch for Nintendo hardware in terms of hardware quality and software this side of Virtual Boy. Easily worse than even WIiU.

DS sales struggled horribly too until the Brain Age/DS Lite second life.

Correction, the DS's launch was far from successful.

If you're going to start saying things like horrible, disaster, worst, get ready to back up your claims with actual sales figures.

The original DS was robust, sturdy and built like a brick. The cosmetic design is fairly subjective - it will vary from person to person.

And I didn't make any comparisons to Switch because the comment was off-topic but, since you mention it, Switch sales figures compared to NDS will not be a pretty sight at all.

 

[GinoFelino]

Nintendo stated specifically that you will only have the game for the month and then it will be gone.

How the hell is that disinformation? And you think I"m the skilled one at it?

Maybe you'd be easier to talk to/with if you weren't so hostile towards everyone.

We're talking about Nintendo's subscription service here and there's virtually no information on it yet. Maybe cool your jets a little.

 

[Jacce]

The original DS was robust, sturdy and built like a brick. The cosmetic design is fairly subjective - it will vary from person to person.

And I didn't make any comparisons to Switch because the comment was off-topic but, since you mention it, Switch sales figures compared to NDS will not be a pretty sight at all.

Switch will destroy the original DS, the original DS was a sales dud and GBA consistently outsold it. PSP did too once it launched. The DS seen as a sales disappointment before the 1-2 hit combo of Brain Age and DS Lite.

If you think the original pre-Brain Age/DS Lite was a success...you are living in a alternative reality. The original "fat" DS was a underwhelming sales disappointment across the board till Brain Age and DS Lite. This isn't even up for debate man.

You are forgetting the days of months long software droughts as third parties stuck to GBA where all there was was Yoshi Touch & Go and Pokemon Dash post launch. DS was a half-baked forgetful fading system till Brain Age and DS Lite changed it's course completely. The first few months, in particular it's launch was a complete joke on gaming forums.

 

[casey_contra]

Adding in my comment from last page just because I think it's important to keep in mind as so many people are fighting over this topic:

Nintendo stated specifically that you will only have the game for the month and then it will be gone.

How the hell is that disinformation? And you think I"m the skilled one at it?

Now I am not trying to pick a fight, and maybe this is just me being hopefully delusional, but that isn't actually what Nintendo says... Personally, I do think that it's the case that you will lose the game at the end of the month, but let's take a look at the two official Nintendo statements.

From the website: Subscribers will get to download and play a Nintendo Entertainment System&#8482; (NES) or Super Nintendo Entertainment System&#8482; (Super NES) game (with newly-added online play) for free for a month.

There are essentially two things here, and the confusion comes from "download and play" If you break this down into two sentences and get rid of the long system names you get:

Subscribers will get to download a game for free for a month.

and

Subscribers will get to play a game for free for a month.

The first part is exactly what we get on PSN. As a subscriber, I get to download certain games for free for a one month period. Then I would have to pay. The confusing part is "play a game for free for a month." This is what suggests you will have to pay to play after the month period... but still if you use PSN as an example it's not incorrect to say "Subscribers will get to download and play [Day of the Tentacle, etc.] for free for a month."

Now let's look at Reggie from the Wired interview:

Wired: Nintendo's online service for Switch will charge a monthly fee and one of the incentives is one free classic game "per month." Does that mean you lose access to that game after a month?

Reggie Fils-Aime: Correct. It means that essentially you've got access to that game for a period of time, and then after the month there's a new selection. You'll have the opportunity to buy it, but [after] that month we've moved on to another game.

The ambiguity here is in the word "access." Access as in access to play or access to download? Going back to PSN, you only have "access" to the free games that month, then you still have an opportunity to buy it, but the free games have changed.

Of course, he may also mean access to play, outright saying that you cannot play the game at all for free when the month is over, which is how most people are reasonably reading it.

Like I said, I definitely think it's going to be more of a rental, I just have a problem with people saying Nintendo stated something specifically, because you can see there is a lot of ambiguity. Is it likely only a month-long free play period? Yes. But I can definitely see how someone might read it differently and until we get more information we really can't say for sure.

Switch will destroy the original DS, the original DS was a sales dud and GBA consistently outsold it. The DS was all but dead before the 1-2 hit combo of Brain Age and DS Lite.

If you think the original pre-Brain Age/DS Lite was a success...you are living in a alternative reality.

I remember after I played through Super Mario 64 DS I went and bought the mediocre (for me at least) Mr. Driller: Drill Spirits because I was starved for games and Pictochat just wasn't cutting it.