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Ta-Nehisi Coates op-ed: We should have seen Trump coming

nynt9

Member
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/sep/29/we-should-have-seen-trump-coming?CMP=share_btn_tw

Yet another excellent piece by the man.

It is not so much that I logically reasoned out that Obama’s election would author a post-racist age. But it now seemed possible that white supremacy, the scourge of American history, might well be banished in my lifetime. In those days I imagined racism as a tumour that could be isolated and removed from the body of America, not as a pervasive system both native and essential to that body. From that perspective, it seemed possible that the success of one man really could alter history, or even end it.

But I could see that those charged with analysing the import of Obama’s blackness were, in the main, working off an old script. Obama was dubbed “the new Tiger Woods of American politics”, as a man who wasn’t “exactly black”. I understood the point – Obama was not “black” as these writers understood “black”. It wasn’t just that he wasn’t a drug dealer, like most black men on the news, but that he did not hail from an inner city, he was not raised on chitterlings, his mother had not washed white people’s floors. But this confusion was a reduction of racism’s true breadth, premised on the need to fix black people in one corner of the universe so that white people may be secure in all the rest of it. So to understand Obama, analysts needed to give him a superpower that explained how this self-described black man escaped his assigned corner. That power was his mixed ancestry.

And so we saw postcards with watermelons on the White House lawn. We saw simian caricatures of the first family, the invocation of a “food-stamp president” and his anticolonial, Islamist agenda. These were the fetishes that gathered the tribe of white supremacy, that rallied them to the age-old banner – and if there was one mistake, one reason why I did not see the coming tragedy, why I did not account for its possibilities, it was because, at that point, I had not yet truly considered that banner’s fearsome power.


When it comes to the civil war, all of our popular understanding, our popular history and culture, our great films, the subtext of our arguments are in defiance of its painful truths. It is not a mistake that Gone With the Wind is one of the most read works of American literature or that The Birth of a Nation is the most revered touchstone of all American film. Both emerge from a need for palliatives and painkillers, an escape from the truth of those five short years in which 750,000 American soldiers were killed, more than all American soldiers killed in all other American wars combined, in a war declared for the cause of expanding “African slavery”. That war was inaugurated not reluctantly, but lustily, by men who believed property in humans to be the cornerstone of civilisation, to be an edict of God, and so delivered their own children to his maw. And when that war was done, the now-defeated God lived on, honoured through the human sacrifice of lynching and racist pogroms. The history breaks the myth. And so the history is ignored, and fictions are weaved into our art and politics that dress villainy in martyrdom and transform banditry into chivalry, and so strong are these fictions that their emblem, the stars and bars, darkens front porches and state capitol buildings across the land to this day.

And now the lies of the civil war and the lies of these post-racial years began to resonate with each other, and I could now see history, awful and undead, reaching out from the grave. America had a biography, and in that biography, the shackling of black people – slaves and free – featured prominently. I could not yet draw literal connections, though that would come. But what I sensed was a country trying to skip out on a bill, trying to stave off a terrible accounting.

Of course, as it is the case with him, there's a lot more to it, but I tried to distill the main narrative. The whole thing is a great read as usual.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
This was one of the first things I thought about after the election. Every win we get is followed up by an unimaginable loss.

abolition -> Jim Crow
civil rights -> war on drugs
first black pres. -> Donald Trump

It’s built in the nature of this country.
 

mjc

Member
This was one of the first things I thought about after the election. Every win we get is followed up by an unimaginable loss.

abolition -> Jim Crow
civil rights -> war on drugs
first black pres. -> Donald Trump

It’s built in the nature of this country.

It's obvious to us now, but yeah it's pretty fucked up. Good piece.
 
Good read, should probably cop the book.

I feel like understanding the points made here is key to understanding how some Obama voters who flipped Trump think; the desperation post Bush Jr., the charisma of Obama, the opportunity for self-congratulation by voting for a black man while simultaneously discounting any of his blackness, then giving back in to racial resentment when Obama reminded them that he was indeed black.
 

Kaiterra

Banned
Good read, should probably cop the book.

I feel like understanding the points made here is key to understanding how some Obama voters who flipped Trump think; the desperation post Bush Jr., the charisma of Obama, the opportunity for self-congratulation by voting for a black man while simultaneously discounting any of his blackness, then giving back in to racial resentment when Obama reminded them that he was indeed black.

Yeah it's a good point. Jamelle Bouie called it a while back too. Basically Obama is the "black friend" that America uses to "prove" it's not racist.
 
This was one of the first things I thought about after the election. Every win we get is followed up by an unimaginable loss.

abolition -> Jim Crow
civil rights -> war on drugs
first black pres. -> Donald Trump

It’s built in the nature of this country.
Very true.
 

Slayven

Member
This was one of the first things I thought about after the election. Every win we get is followed up by an unimaginable loss.

abolition -> Jim Crow
civil rights -> war on drugs
first black pres. -> Donald Trump

It’s built in the nature of this country.
America always self correct. What is is it about equality that sends so many into a tailspin? Cause it doesn't just hurt brown folks but everyone.
 

subrock

Member
Ordered his book. Love his style. He doesn’t mince words and his points always seem to build to an undeniable crescendo. I’m ready to be fully disappointed in my birth country after reading
 

nynt9

Member
Guys, let's not get distracted by that obvious drive by shitpost.

I think it was clear from all the "we elected a black president, racism is over" rhetoric that people really didn't understand the situation, but that we'd take such a hard nosedive right after is still hard to have foreseen. But it's more apparent if you look at that graph of how the left and right have shifted their positions over time. Hint: the left stayed more or less the same and the right kept shifting further right. Can someone post the gif?

The question mark for me is how the right going further and further extreme didn't alienate them and perhaps made them stronger? You'd think that whomever moves too far away from the center would concede """moderates""" to the other side.
 

Sianos

Member
we didn't see trump coming because far too many excuses were being made for republicans actively fostering this hatred for decades

the "moderate darlings" helped stoke the flames and dissuade attempts to contain the blaze, then ran away once they started to spread
 

Slayven

Member
Guys, let's not get distracted by that obvious drive by shitpost.

I think it was clear from all the "we elected a black president, racism is over" rhetoric that people really didn't understand the situation, but that we'd take such a hard nosedive right after is still hard to have foreseen. But it's more apparent if you look at that graph of how the left and right have shifted their positions over time. Hint: the left stayed more or less the same and the right kept shifting further right. Can someone post the gif?

The question mark for me is how the right going further and further extreme didn't alienate them and perhaps made them stronger? You'd think that whomever moves too far away from the center would concede """moderates""" to the other side.
The right picks targets that are acceptable to so many in the country. Women, minorities, lgbtq, etc. And the dog whistles give both sides people enough cover or so they think.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
America always self correct. What is is it about equality that sends so many into a tailspin? Cause it doesn't just hurt brown folks but everyone.
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This was one of the first things I thought about after the election. Every win we get is followed up by an unimaginable loss.

abolition -> Jim Crow
civil rights -> war on drugs
first black pres. -> Donald Trump

It’s built in the nature of this country.

It’s action meets reaction but it’s not equal and opposite. Every push forward had a push back but things were never pushed back to where they were. In that way progress is made even though it feels like sliding back.
 

Permanently A

Junior Member
Michael Moore saw it coming.

The Last Stand of the Angry White Man. Our male-dominated, 240-year run of the USA is coming to an end. A woman is about to take over! How did this happen?! On our watch! There were warning signs, but we ignored them. Nixon, the gender traitor, imposing Title IX on us, the rule that said girls in school should get an equal chance at playing sports. Then they let them fly commercial jets. Before we knew it, Beyoncé stormed on the field at this year’s Super Bowl (our game!) with an army of Black Women, fists raised, declaring that our domination was hereby terminated! Oh, the humanity!

That’s a small peek into the mind of the Endangered White Male. There is a sense that the power has slipped out of their hands, that their way of doing things is no longer how things are done. This monster, the “Feminazi,”the thing that as Trump says, “bleeds through her eyes or wherever she bleeds,” has conquered us — and now, after having had to endure eight years of a black man telling us what to do, we’re supposed to just sit back and take eight years of a woman bossing us around? After that it’ll be eight years of the gays in the White House! Then the transgenders! You can see where this is going. By then animals will have been granted human rights and a fuckin’ hamster is going to be running the country. This has to stop!

If only enough had listened.
 

Ogodei

Member
Trump himself is a product of random chance, his election a fluke of our outdated electoral system as the plurality of voters chose another, or a flaw of the Republican primary having way too many competitors in the field.

Yes, the forces behind him are very real, but he was far from an "inevitability" and casting him that way is just a cover for whatever point the person saying it is trying to make.

Though i really respect Coates. "First White President" was an awesome piece that said what this says, without getting into this hindsight message, which is a distraction from the point.

What i would say is an inevitability is that America would eventually elect a supremely evil and/or unqualified person to the highest office. No country lasts forever with a perfect record, and this was a good thing to happen to us in the long run because it disproves the myth of American exceptionalism, and now we can take a more honest look at ourselves and see what needs to be done.
 
Trump himself is a product of random chance, his election a fluke of our outdated electoral system as the plurality of voters chose another, or a flaw of the Republican primary having way too many competitors in the field.

Yes, the forces behind him are very real, but he was far from an "inevitability" and casting him that way is just a cover for whatever point the person saying it is trying to make.

Though i really respect Coates. "First White President" was an awesome piece that said what this says, without getting into this hindsight message, which is a distraction from the point.

What i would say is an inevitability is that America would eventually elect a supremely evil and/or unqualified person to the highest office. No country lasts forever with a perfect record, and this was a good thing to happen to us in the long run because it disproves the myth of American exceptionalism, and now we can take a more honest look at ourselves and see what needs to be done.

The point is that it wasn’t random or a fluke. It was a specific reaction to a specific event.
 

jtb

Banned
The point is that it wasn't random or a fluke. It was a specific reaction to a specific event.

It wasn't random. It was a fluke. Those are two distinct things.

tbh, I don't really get all the alternating liberal self-congratulations and self-flagellating on this. Trump is just the personification of everything liberals have been saying about Republicans for the past 20-30 years: they're racist, sexist, and all the rest. The thing that surprised everyone was the fact that he could dispense with the dogwhistles.

Does anyone think that Trump is less racist than, say, Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell? They're just better at hiding it or, more accurately, shutting the fuck up about it.

Trump completely destroyed Republican dogma and 16 of the party's best and brightest (lol) and has led the party into a complete civil war. But those differences are somewhat minimized when you're in power. But the liberal side of the prediction equation seems beside the point. America is racist. Even if Donald Trump had lost, I would not be comforted knowing it was just 40% of the country, rather than 45% or whatever the hell he ended up with.
 
It wasn't random. It was a fluke. Those are two distinct things.

tbh, I don't really get all the alternating liberal self-congratulations and self-flagellating on this. Trump is just the personification of everything liberals have been saying about Republicans for the past 20-30 years: they're racist, sexist, and all the rest. The thing that surprised everyone was the fact that he could dispense with the dogwhistles.

Does anyone think that Trump is less racist than, say, Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell? They're just better at hiding it or, more accurately, shutting the fuck up about it.

Trump completely destroyed Republican dogma and 16 of the party's best and brightest (lol) and has led the party into a complete civil war. But those differences are somewhat minimized when you're in power. But the liberal side of the prediction equation seems beside the point. America is racist. Even if Donald Trump had lost, I would not be comforted knowing it was just 40% of the country, rather than 45% or whatever the hell he ended up with.

Please don’t speak to me like I’m stupid.
 

kirblar

Member
With the way American politics work (the pendulum), the times when it swings GOP are going to get worse and worse due to what's happened to that party. "Trump" was not inevitable and got in due to a conflux of circumstances that barely tipped him over the edge, but the GOP's turn towards utter incompetence and inability to govern very much is.
 

legacyzero

Banned
It seems only TYT saw him coming. Once they started taking him seriously, they were screaming he could win.

That, and I remember Secular Talk shouting it too. Even I was like "Yeaaaaah what the fuck ever dude", but then he laid out his argument constantly even before the primary got well underway. They fuckin called it every step of the way. And people on GAF HAAAATE TYT and their affiliates (not too sure why, exactly, other than TYT can be fucking annoying. Oh, and they didn't prefer Hillary)

Kyle Kulinski is awesome. I enjoy Jimmy Dore now and again, and he was pretty on the money too.
 

Slayven

Member
Random would have been Cruz or Kaisch. No, white people saw THEIR Obama in Trump. He is their vengeance for the insult Obama was.

Go back, when Obama said Trayvon could have have been his son, that is when he lost most of his white support
 

kirblar

Member
That, and I remember Secular Talk shouting it too. Even I was like "Yeaaaaah what the fuck ever dude", but then he laid out his argument constantly even before the primary got well underway. They fuckin called it every step of the way. And people on GAF HAAAATE TYT and their affiliates (not too sure why, exactly, other than TYT can be fucking annoying. Oh, and they didn't prefer Hillary)

Kyle Kulinski is awesome. I enjoy Jimmy Dore now and again, and he was pretty on the money too.
Because they bitch about "Corporate Dems" while taking large amounts VC money. Because Cenk is an Armenian Genocide denier. Because they hired on Michael Tracey, Russia Apologist. Because there are some of us who look to political discussion for information, not entertainment!
 
Is not like Trump won by some huge majority.

These things are cyclical. Democrats weren't going to rule forever. It's easy to paint the everyone is racist picture. The reality is everyone is stupid and trump was a better candidate for inspiring people to vote than Clinton. If Obama could have ran for a third term I'm confident he would have won
 

Slayven

Member
Is not like Trump won by some huge majority.

These things are cyclical. Democrats weren't going to rule forever. It's easy to paint the everyone is racist picture. The reality is everyone is stupid and trump was a better candidate for inspiring people to vote than Clinton. If Obama could have ran for a third term I'm confident he would have won
But Trump opened his campaign being racist. People that voted for him are at best are OK with bigotry, at worse bigots themselves
 
Is not like Trump won by some huge majority.

These things are cyclical. Democrats weren't going to rule forever. It's easy to paint the everyone is racist picture. The reality is everyone is stupid and trump was a better candidate for inspiring people to vote than Clinton. If Obama could have ran for a third term I'm confident he would have won
If you voted for an open bigot you are either a bigot or a supporter of bigots.

There is hardly a difference between those two groups.

Own it.
 

jtb

Banned
I know the difference between ”random" and ”fluke," hence the or.

Trump's win was not a fluke.

Comey letter, Wikileaks, etc. etc. It was a close election that came down to depressed Dem base turnout in three states. If the election had been held on any other week (other than say, the 9/11 week when Hillary died of pnuemonia), Trump would have lost. So that's a fluke in my book.

As an aside, if Trump is found to have colluded with the Russians during the campaign, then I guess that would make it less of a "fluke" and more of a calculated stolen victory. So I dunno!
 

Ogodei

Member
The point is that it wasn’t random or a fluke. It was a specific reaction to a specific event.

It was, but there was nothing ordaining that the reaction would go as far as it did or manifest itself in quite this way.

You've got something similar going on in France, but Le Pen didn't win.
 

Slayven

Member
It was, but there was nothing ordaining that the reaction would go as far as it did or manifest itself in quite this way.

You've got something similar going on in France, but Le Pen didn't win.

This was one of the first things I thought about after the election. Every win we get is followed up by an unimaginable loss.

abolition -> Jim Crow
civil rights -> war on drugs
first black pres. -> Donald Trump

It’s built in the nature of this country.
I don't know about that. Desegregation help lead to white flight, the destruction of social nets because they helped minorities. There are precidents
 
It was, but there was nothing ordaining that the reaction would go as far as it did or manifest itself in quite this way.

You've got something similar going on in France, but Le Pen didn't win.

France also doesn’t have the racial history of the U.S.

Trump’s nomination and election was how the right chose to assassinate Obama; by destroying his legacy and by putting on a year long show with Russia as stage director.
 
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