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TAKEDOWN: Red Sabre |OT| A Taste of Rainbow Six for Only the Price of a Vegas Buffet
- Thread starter TheVisualizer
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Its the first day of launch man.
Give them time to patch it. They already said that they are working on it.
Total Biscuit's PSA saying not to buy it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TJYIHZ4bKM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TJYIHZ4bKM
Taking a guess by the time most of this shit is potentially fixed, people will have moved on for the most part. What a damn shame, especially since I only had a small amount of money and had to choose between a few games that I'm going to miss out on. To go from TB's first video to his last video is pretty sad.
Seems a little dramatic. Perhaps you should list what exactly is unplayable by your stanards. You may not be able to connect to online matches, but there's still SP.
Everdred
Member
Started playing single player because multi player isn't working well. Mission mode is actually really fun and challenging. when you finally make it through a mission it's so rewarding. There is no hand holding when looking for objectives. You have to really search and learn the levels by trial.
Yea, the first few times I was so lost trying to find the objectives. Then by the time I knew what I was doing and was close to finishing a mission, the game decides to tell me my connection to the server was lost...in single player...lol.
With all the weapons being so lethal (and rightfully so), I'm having a hard time picking which one to use since they all basically get the job done. SMG's are nice for tight quarters and still easily take out enemies and so far, I don't see a reason not to use a suppressor either. I do love all the AR-15 platform variants they put in for all sorts of different calibers. Not many games actually do that and give you the selection between different ones chambered for different rounds. I mean, it makes sense for certain games to just give you the typical 5.56 variant but a lot of games these days focus on special forces so why not give us some of the options that they use then?
I just hope the bugs and all that don't scare away the community before it even has a chance to take off.
We've delayed our review for this as it was completely broken last night. One of us played it at PAX and had a good time. Such a shame. We'll be trying it throughout the weekend to see if it becomes stable. Now would be an appropriate time for a hard, tactical shooter.
I saw some people getting booted from single player due to a 'lost connection' message too. Bonkers.
I saw some people getting booted from single player due to a 'lost connection' message too. Bonkers.
petition on steam to do a War Z and remove the game and offer refunds
http://steamcommunity.com/app/236510/discussions/0/846965056735071940/
http://steamcommunity.com/app/236510/discussions/0/846965056735071940/
Kinda sorry to hear that. I recall questioning the financials at the outset (I've just looked back at the original thread) and there was lots of talk about the Kickstarter being used to inspire investors to buy in to the project.
It does sound here like a predominant issue was a lack of resources, which suggests that maybe they didn't get what they wanted from those investors. 'That says, they might still have a reasonable chunk of money left over to iterate and improve what they do have available to them, it depends what their budgeting's been like.
(As I side note: My word, I flogged a particular dead horse relentlessly in that thread!)
Edit: Oh, just found this:
So the investors never actually showed? Yeah, that sounds like a significant lack of resources issue.
It does sound here like a predominant issue was a lack of resources, which suggests that maybe they didn't get what they wanted from those investors. 'That says, they might still have a reasonable chunk of money left over to iterate and improve what they do have available to them, it depends what their budgeting's been like.
(As I side note: My word, I flogged a particular dead horse relentlessly in that thread!)
Edit: Oh, just found this:
So the investors never actually showed? Yeah, that sounds like a significant lack of resources issue.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Bah, I now regret getting this.
I installed it but haven't actually booted it up due to playing GTA5.
I installed it but haven't actually booted it up due to playing GTA5.
TheVisualizer
Banned
I followed development pretty closely on the official forums since I donated a sizable amount of money to the Kickstarter. The investors that were mentioned in the Kickstarter pitch never materialized and they announced the partnership with 505 Games only a few months ago. It seemed like even though they got a publisher, it didn't make a difference with regards to funding. I never got the sense that 505 really contributed anything but a little marketing to the project. So many compromises were made to features along the way, but to Serellan's credit he let the community decide on some of the stuff. Once they started making progress it became apparent they the game was going to be pretty "featureless". From Serellan's comments it doesn't seem like this is getting much if any support post-launch. 505 will probably help them get the game to a "working" state, but that's pretty much it. Any momentum the game had to be successful and warrant expansions, DLC or whatever is dead and gone after the launch debacle. If the community embraces the game for what it is, maybe the mod stuff will give it some legs.
I feel a little sorry for the devs behind this, because it did seem like they were passionate and put a good amount of work in, but they had a lot of things go against them in a short period of time. For this IP to be successful I think they needed that dual PC/360 launch and when the Microsoft Certification Police delayed the 360 launch that hurt a lot. Then you release really close to the time-sink that is GTA V and your game gets swept under the rug. Lastly it really seemed like there was pressure to release it now which was probably 6 months too early, whether that was for budget or strategic reasons, we may never know. Other than the art team who were formerly from Zipper who did a hell of a job with the environments and character models on a limited budget, the rest of the team's work didn't end up well. I can't sugarcoat it one bit, the UI guy needs to find another line of work. This is 2013, the menu system is unacceptable for a game made 10 years ago. The guy responsible for animations didn't deliver on his end at all either, as the only animation I think looks good in the game is the slow sideways strafe, the rest all look awful. During the Alpha, Kickstarters who played the game were asked to give feedback and the overwhelming concern with the game at that point in July was the enemy A.I. was poor. From what little I've dabbled with the game so far it doesn't seem very much different at all.
I still plan on picking this up on 360 (if it ever releases...and works online) just to play the co-op stuff with my buddies as my friends are starving for a "terrorist hunt" mode on consoles after being shafted by Ghost Recon Future Soldier and this game looks to at least do that well enough.
You could argue 2 things with the 360 version being delayed, in my opinion.
Negative: PC feedback from many has not been favourable.
Positive: Gaining distance from GTA5. Maybe once some people have cooled from GTA5 they'll be interested in this. Serellan also may be able to catch a few people unaware regarding the PC launch.
If the 360 community is willing to put up with the rather slim feature set, I can see this being a somewhat decent XBLA MP title -- I just hope the audience is there for it. Hopefully the UI works better on console as well. (It certainly has a console feel to it.)
One thing I've really started to dislike with KS is the split focus when trying to add a new platform. One of the challenges with MSFT is the cert process, and I suspect that dedicating resources to sim-ship the PC and 360 versions made the PC version suffer a bit.
I've really not put enough time into the game (barely 30 mins in solo T Hunt) but I really hope something good can come of this. Even if it's shopping this around as a proof of concept for a more fully featured sequel or even a fleshed out re-release. I just hope this isn't the end for Serellan. :c
Also, I'm waiting for more of the metrics and mod support details to come out since I want to support it with a map or two.
Negative: PC feedback from many has not been favourable.
Positive: Gaining distance from GTA5. Maybe once some people have cooled from GTA5 they'll be interested in this. Serellan also may be able to catch a few people unaware regarding the PC launch.
If the 360 community is willing to put up with the rather slim feature set, I can see this being a somewhat decent XBLA MP title -- I just hope the audience is there for it. Hopefully the UI works better on console as well. (It certainly has a console feel to it.)
One thing I've really started to dislike with KS is the split focus when trying to add a new platform. One of the challenges with MSFT is the cert process, and I suspect that dedicating resources to sim-ship the PC and 360 versions made the PC version suffer a bit.
I've really not put enough time into the game (barely 30 mins in solo T Hunt) but I really hope something good can come of this. Even if it's shopping this around as a proof of concept for a more fully featured sequel or even a fleshed out re-release. I just hope this isn't the end for Serellan. :c
Also, I'm waiting for more of the metrics and mod support details to come out since I want to support it with a map or two.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
If I can manage to join a game, I may try this today but I signed the petition to pull it from Steam. I wish it were a different situation as this seems to not parallel with the WarZ situation.
I really hope the mod support from the community keeps this afloat or I feel like I wasted money.
I really hope the mod support from the community keeps this afloat or I feel like I wasted money.
That's basically exactly what I was worried about in my posts on the original thread. I wonder how much they were going to stump up; it's amazing how much extra resources actually give to a game in the long run. As one small tinfoil-hatted comment, though, I do hope they *really* existed.
Well, if nothing else, at least this gives us an approximate benchmark to wave at people: This is what a $200k budget buys you in the FPS field.
Edit: My word, the comments thread on the Kickstarter is depressing reading.
Played some SP mission mode, did the radar base and had a pretty intense session.
Started out OK, moving through the inner builds to get to the opposite corner of the map where 2 objectives are located. The map itself reminds me of a condensed Big Shell (MGS2) since there are walkways connecting smaller interiors. The connecting walkways are pretty deadly since you're exposed in a lot of different directions as you cross. If you've gone loud or alerted the NPCs, chances are they'll start opening doors to the walkways, gaining sightlines on you. That's how I lost my first operative; as we moved outside I got blind sided since I wasn't checking my corners.
I managed to move through to the radar dish side but the entire base was on alert at this point, so entering the interiors was also pretty dangerous. I lost 2 more guys in here and was left with my sniper-equipped final operative to finish the rest of the mission. I managed to make it to the last objective (securing a briefcase) without much more resistance, but as I was moving towards the LZ to extract I got jumped by an NPC moving around near the helipad. I got spooked and luckily managed to squeeze a burst from the hip to take him out since he was right in my face. That could've been the end right there, so close to the end of the mission.
I really wish the game had some kind of movement commands (you can only tell your squadmates to hold position or rally on you and follow) since you have to take point on everything and cannot coordinate any kind of breaches -- let alone multiple breach entries on a single room that has several doorways -- that you'd expect that involve stacking up and rushing in. You can't send your guys in once you've opened and/or breached a door -- you always have to be the first man in. And to that point, if you die, your next operative in line (if you have any) ends up being the way you correct your mistake. The NPCs don't really rush you, so you often have time to correct your aim on the offending NPC (that killed your previous operative) and then take him out.
This kind of lacking teammate AI really communicates that this game will be a lot of fun in COOP, but also really the only way to get the most out of it. More to the MP front -- I can only guess since I've not played it yet -- the base gunplay is there so I think it will be enjoyable versus real human beings. Hopefully I'll get the chance to confirm that soon.
Started out OK, moving through the inner builds to get to the opposite corner of the map where 2 objectives are located. The map itself reminds me of a condensed Big Shell (MGS2) since there are walkways connecting smaller interiors. The connecting walkways are pretty deadly since you're exposed in a lot of different directions as you cross. If you've gone loud or alerted the NPCs, chances are they'll start opening doors to the walkways, gaining sightlines on you. That's how I lost my first operative; as we moved outside I got blind sided since I wasn't checking my corners.
I managed to move through to the radar dish side but the entire base was on alert at this point, so entering the interiors was also pretty dangerous. I lost 2 more guys in here and was left with my sniper-equipped final operative to finish the rest of the mission. I managed to make it to the last objective (securing a briefcase) without much more resistance, but as I was moving towards the LZ to extract I got jumped by an NPC moving around near the helipad. I got spooked and luckily managed to squeeze a burst from the hip to take him out since he was right in my face. That could've been the end right there, so close to the end of the mission.
I really wish the game had some kind of movement commands (you can only tell your squadmates to hold position or rally on you and follow) since you have to take point on everything and cannot coordinate any kind of breaches -- let alone multiple breach entries on a single room that has several doorways -- that you'd expect that involve stacking up and rushing in. You can't send your guys in once you've opened and/or breached a door -- you always have to be the first man in. And to that point, if you die, your next operative in line (if you have any) ends up being the way you correct your mistake. The NPCs don't really rush you, so you often have time to correct your aim on the offending NPC (that killed your previous operative) and then take him out.
This kind of lacking teammate AI really communicates that this game will be a lot of fun in COOP, but also really the only way to get the most out of it. More to the MP front -- I can only guess since I've not played it yet -- the base gunplay is there so I think it will be enjoyable versus real human beings. Hopefully I'll get the chance to confirm that soon.
Neuromancer
Member
I tried one terrorist hunt and was not super impressed by the game. I really wish there were more options such as AI team mates and choosing enemy count. Or maybe there are but I didn't see any.
Being able to customise teammate load outs (maybe they use yours?) would be nice too. Having a teammate with a sniper that's unsupressed doesn't help when you're trying to stay quiet (but have offensive ROE) and he won't switch to his sidearm when indoors/in CQB situations. It also is a bit pointless how they have equipment but will not use it themselves, you cannot tell them to use it, and/or you cannot switch to them at will so you can use a tool they have in their load out that you do not.
When it boils down to it, you're the only one who can use grenades or charges since the AI has no throw behaviours, at least from what I've seen.
It's a tough pill to swallow since, with more time, these systems probably could've been put in place so that solo play could be more than the base gunplay that's included. As is, the game is dependent on having other humans in the same session for more rewarding companions and/or opposition.
Edit: I may have some things incorrect, it's mainly based on my hour of total playtime in SP Mission and solo T Hunt modes.
Everdred
Member
A patched has been pushed out that is suppose to fix the follow:
-The correct exe will now run automatically depending upon your windows version (Win32/Win64)
-Servers will be displayed now in the Steam list to enhance visibility of games being played, plus accuracy of information being shown.
-TTS/Text to speech feature has been removed
-TAKEDOWN process now ends properly which will alleviate some server conflicts.
-The correct exe will now run automatically depending upon your windows version (Win32/Win64)
-Servers will be displayed now in the Steam list to enhance visibility of games being played, plus accuracy of information being shown.
-TTS/Text to speech feature has been removed
-TAKEDOWN process now ends properly which will alleviate some server conflicts.
Has it been issued yet? I've not checked but I know this went up (23 Sept) on the game's Steam library page: http://steamcommunity.com/games/236510/announcements/detail/1659864895730247930
EDIT: Don't think it's up yet since it's still starting 32-bit for me and won't end its own process when X'ing out to quit.
EDIT2: Yeah, definitely not out yet. http://www.serellan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3129-incoming-patch/
Everdred
Member
Yeah, their announcement was a little misleading. They said it would be released shortly, which most people thought implied within 24 hours. About 12 hours ago, they said the patch was in "testing" so it's hard to say when it will be released.
Launched the game today and it seemed to run the 64-bit version, as well as properly terminate all processes after exiting the game. So... I think this means it's patched?
Patch thread, page 6, from their forum: http://www.serellan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3129-incoming-patch/page-6#entry59013
Patch thread, page 6, from their forum: http://www.serellan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3129-incoming-patch/page-6#entry59013
Vigilant Gambit
Member
I backed the kickstarter fairly early on, and followed development for a while.
The initial point of this project was to build an alpha that would entice a publisher to pick up the game and give it proper funding.
xXxDieselxXx
Member
To be fair to the developers, certain decisions (no names on team mates in MP, no stat tracking, for example) were made on purpose and/or with community input.
A damning review, but I can't really fault the reviewer for being so harsh.
Well, yes... but it didn't. That was my fear at the time, and it panned out.
The tinfoil hat statement - and I have to specify that it's just something that I have to observe was plausible, not really a direct accusation of anything below-board - was to highlight a possibility that there never were these angel investors; that the Kickstarter was in fact hoped to be successful enough to get fully-funded from KS alone.
Short of one coming forward, we can't actually know - but I do think this would be a very different and much better game had money come in from them.
DodgyGeezerFella
Member
Sooo im curious .... whats happened to this game ? Is it still a horrible mess or are they still patching it into something good ?
Serellan have put up a poll on how much support you're willing to give them.
http://serellan.com/poll/
I was brutally honest.
http://serellan.com/poll/
I was brutally honest.