Tizoc
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Thanks, didn't think of searching myself prob. cuz I was sleepy at the time ^_^;
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Tales of Graces |OT| Gracing the PS3 with the Best RPG Combat
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Thanks, didn't think of searching myself prob. cuz I was sleepy at the time ^_^;
SatelliteOfLove
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The story should be skipped if you hate it (and you should).
Think like a Fighter in battle (it has parries, moves that move the character, autobeat lows, high hit-stun, etc)
Experiment with all characters, they all kick ass in fights.
Turn off the music in the catacombs.
Learn about the Arles Pot. It's insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanely wild and fun.
Learn about comboin' to control the fight. A fight where the enemy controls you is a loss, one where you control them is victory.
Anything that refunds CC, adds to your CC gauge, or reduces the CC usage is extremely potent.
Enjoy!
Think like a Fighter in battle (it has parries, moves that move the character, autobeat lows, high hit-stun, etc)
Experiment with all characters, they all kick ass in fights.
Turn off the music in the catacombs.
Learn about the Arles Pot. It's insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanely wild and fun.
Learn about comboin' to control the fight. A fight where the enemy controls you is a loss, one where you control them is victory.
Anything that refunds CC, adds to your CC gauge, or reduces the CC usage is extremely potent.
Enjoy!
Try to play on the highest difficulty you can handle. You'll get more SP (to build up your titles faster) and EXP. It's worth it to unlock Evil and Chaos mode difficulties. Evil is unlocked by fighting 300 fights on Hard and Chaos is unlocked by fighting 200 fights on Evil.
Melhisedek
Member
Should I use Manual for my main character and auto / semi auto for the rest?
This is my first Tales game and I have no idea what I'm doing
Am about 2h in atm
This is my first Tales game and I have no idea what I'm doing
Am about 2h in atm
WeaponKnight
Member
Should I use Manual for my main character and auto / semi auto for the rest?
This is my first Tales game and I have no idea what I'm doing
Am about 2h in atm
Use Manual for you and Auto for every other character.
The difference here is that Semi-Auto doesn't let you whiff your attacks, it will make you automatically run to the enemy before attacking. Manual, on the other hand, lets you take full control of the character. Most people, including me, will recommend Manual, but you can use Semi-Auto if you don't feel comfortable with the battle system yet.
Never played any of the Tales game before so I downloaded this on PSN a few days ago. First thing I have to say is the story in the beginning is very painful and hard to get through, but it gets better once you're out of the child arc, but the voice acting is horrible.
The combat is very entertaining and is the only thing that keeps me playing. I wish they stopped switching my characters as often as they do, but overall I really enjoy the battle system.
I really dislike the pacing in this game. It's one minor cut scene after the other, and that's including skipping the optional ones. After the first 5 times, I've already stop hitting select when it appears. I walk for 10 seconds fight about 5 enemies, and then another cut scene. I would had prefer more open areas to roam which would at least allow me to play the game. I'm only at
right now, so hopefully it gets better.
One other thing is that after a few hours I had to up the difficulty, currently on hard but thinking on just setting it to the highest. The earlier enemies are so easy, the fights end rather quickly which doesn't allow you time to get use the mechanics. It also helps you get better at doing combos, and linking CC attacks. The extra experience doesn't hurt either.
I'll probably keep playing until I get bored of the combat. If any of the other Tales game are similar combat wise, but with a better story and world, then I would definitely have to check them out.
The combat is very entertaining and is the only thing that keeps me playing. I wish they stopped switching my characters as often as they do, but overall I really enjoy the battle system.
I really dislike the pacing in this game. It's one minor cut scene after the other, and that's including skipping the optional ones. After the first 5 times, I've already stop hitting select when it appears. I walk for 10 seconds fight about 5 enemies, and then another cut scene. I would had prefer more open areas to roam which would at least allow me to play the game. I'm only at
Strath
One other thing is that after a few hours I had to up the difficulty, currently on hard but thinking on just setting it to the highest. The earlier enemies are so easy, the fights end rather quickly which doesn't allow you time to get use the mechanics. It also helps you get better at doing combos, and linking CC attacks. The extra experience doesn't hurt either.
I'll probably keep playing until I get bored of the combat. If any of the other Tales game are similar combat wise, but with a better story and world, then I would definitely have to check them out.
Melhisedek
Member
Any tips on combat? I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly... I spend my CP than block or sometimes evade and than mash X again. Most surely I'm doing it wrong but no idea
I've saved the prince so far and got almost killed by the Bryne I believe its his name
WeaponKnight
Member
Any tips on combat? I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly... I spend my CP than block or sometimes evade and than mash X again. Most surely I'm doing it wrong but no idea
I've saved the prince so far and got almost killed by the Bryne I believe its his name
You can string as many attacks as you want as long as you have the CP. Check the Artes menu to see the CP cost of each technique.
There are three ways of recharging your CP:
- Standing still, while guarding or not.
- Evading an enemy attack at the last moment.
- Striking every weakness of the enemy in a combo. Hold R1 to see the weaknessess below the enemy's HP, then check your Artes to see their properties and use the ones that match their stats.
Any tips on combat? I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly... I spend my CP than block or sometimes evade and than mash X again. Most surely I'm doing it wrong but no idea
I've saved the prince so far and got almost killed by the Bryne I believe its his name
My tip is get to the main/adult arc. Like seriously the kids suck in combat. I guess Sophie is OK at that point though. You'll start to understand the battle system more once you get past the childhood arc.
Melhisedek
Member
I just got to adulthood last night. Now with B-artes and skills I begin to see the depth. I was scratching my head while playing as children "Is this the best gameplay people were talking about".
Fights are really fun, I go out of my way to fight anything We'll see about the story... So far only thing that is memorable and not in a good way.
Didn't expect that tbh
Fights are really fun, I go out of my way to fight anything
We'll see about the story... So far only thing that is memorable and not in a good way.
When Asbel gets hit by his father
Liferebooted
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I just got to adulthood last night. Now with B-artes and skills I begin to see the depth. I was scratching my head while playing as children "Is this the best gameplay people were talking about".
Fights are really fun, I go out of my way to fight anythingDidn't expect that tbhWhen Asbel gets hit by his father
I'M 15 hours in and the battle system hasn't gotten better
Melhisedek
Member
2 questions:
1.
Should I "max" all the titles? Like even after lvl 5. It takes a lot of SP to max the Title. What does it do? So far I've been picking and choosing what Titles to level but am thinking on putting it on auto.
2.
When I dualize, sometimes I get items that say "You can sell this for xxx gald" Is it ok to create and sell such items? Or should I save them for some other dualizing ?
1.
Should I "max" all the titles? Like even after lvl 5. It takes a lot of SP to max the Title. What does it do? So far I've been picking and choosing what Titles to level but am thinking on putting it on auto.
2.
When I dualize, sometimes I get items that say "You can sell this for xxx gald" Is it ok to create and sell such items? Or should I save them for some other dualizing ?
1.) I mastered all the titles and then when I had nothing more to master, I maxed them.
An example: Title 1 gives you 4% attack bonus when equipped, when maxed it gives you 8% attack bonus when equipped.
2.) You could use those items to dualize items that give even more money if you want to.
Melhisedek
Member
Did you have your Titles on auto or manual? What would you recommend?
I had them on manual. When I mastered a title, I wanted to choose the next one to learn. Usually, when I got a new title with an new arte, I'd equip that because I wanted to unlock it.
WeaponKnight
Member
There are some titles that are unlocked after you master a bunch of titles. But those aren't worth your time unless you don't have any abilities left to learn.
I'd say leave it on manual and pursue the artes and abilities you like the most.
I'd say leave it on manual and pursue the artes and abilities you like the most.
Hey guys I have some plot questions. I'm going to follow up each question with assumptions I made and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong and explain any missing pieces.
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How and why does Fodra lose it's ability to sustain life? The Fodra Queen in the Lineage and Legacies storyline blames this on humans. But from the main game, I was under the assumption that it was Lambda that sucks out the eleth from Fodra's core.
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If it was Lambda that sucks out the life from Fodra, when exactly does he get a chance to do this? It has always looked like Lambda was always under some sort of custody of the scientists on Fodra before being sent down to Ephinea, either under Cornell or Emeraude. Did Lambda absorb Fodra's eleth during some catastrophic experiment Emeraude ran on him or something? Or did he simply go rogue at one point and ran off to the Lastalia to grab all the eleth?
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What exactly is Ephinea in relation to Fodra? It appears to be a moon of Fodra. But did it always have humans while the Amarcians from Fodra simply moved in alongside the natives? Or did all humans on Ephinea originate from the Fodrans?
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The purpose of Ephinea's ring, Foselos, is to establish the aqua sphere around the planet. Was built by the Fodrans while they were colonizing the planet or was it built in response to quarantine Lambda?
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If indeed Ephinea's humans originate from Fodra, why did society regress technologically so quickly within a thousand years? Emeraude says she had been under her deep sleep for a thousand years while Lambda and Sophie made planetfall within the same timeframe. I'm assuming the catastrophe on Fodra perhaps hit the logistics and leadership of the colonizing Fodrans hard that they went all Fallout and Mad Max on each other but had the benefit of a healthy planet unlike Fodra that they can start all over again.
Audioboxer
Member
Think I'm almost finished the childrens intro, I'm enjoying the game. Guess I'm that starved of good JRPGs even the story seems okay. Wanting to get this completed before I start on Xillia.
so i started this, im at the time skip right now, and i finish tales of xilia like 2 months ago
the controls are weird, i really dont get how to execute these a and b artes
the blocking and parrying is better, but in general, i don't like it coming from xilia
(note that i probably still dont understand how to really control xilia even though i finish it)
the thing that gets me right now is that i cant teleport/skip to other towns, it's really slowing the game for me, and really offputting every time it tells me to go to point a to point b
edit:
and i just died while not saving for a good maybe 1 hour
fuck this game, im done, wont be playing this for a long time
the controls are weird, i really dont get how to execute these a and b artes
the blocking and parrying is better, but in general, i don't like it coming from xilia
(note that i probably still dont understand how to really control xilia even though i finish it)
the thing that gets me right now is that i cant teleport/skip to other towns, it's really slowing the game for me, and really offputting every time it tells me to go to point a to point b
edit:
and i just died while not saving for a good maybe 1 hour
fuck this game, im done, wont be playing this for a long time
well, i started playing it again
noticing that the equipment system seems to be weaker than xillia
when i was playing xillia, i kept upgrading my weapons and armour, but with graces, i'm not seeing that many options, just the shops (no drops), which seems boring to me
i can see that you can combine those attributes drops to your stuff, but that is so counter intuitive to me since you're eventually going to find a normal item that has better stats that you want to upgrade to, now i have a lot of those attribute drops sitting in my inventory
and there is no map for the towns/dungeons, this is the stupidest thing i've seen in the game
that tower part was fucking terrible to play, i had to google it and it seems a lot of people were complaining about it as well
the dialog clearly said 'close the north gate then open the south gate', but what you actually do is just open the south gate, fucking dumb
noticing that the equipment system seems to be weaker than xillia
when i was playing xillia, i kept upgrading my weapons and armour, but with graces, i'm not seeing that many options, just the shops (no drops), which seems boring to me
i can see that you can combine those attributes drops to your stuff, but that is so counter intuitive to me since you're eventually going to find a normal item that has better stats that you want to upgrade to, now i have a lot of those attribute drops sitting in my inventory
and there is no map for the towns/dungeons, this is the stupidest thing i've seen in the game
that tower part was fucking terrible to play, i had to google it and it seems a lot of people were complaining about it as well
the dialog clearly said 'close the north gate then open the south gate', but what you actually do is just open the south gate, fucking dumb
Later in the game you get the ability to warp between areas like in Xillia.
On the upgrade system: You can transmute gems off of the the stats of the weapon/armor you're using, and then fuse them into your new weapons and armor so you're not losing any progress. You can also just straight up equip those gems as a replacement for an accessory.
Not going to help you with that tower and maps in general. I was able to figure out even the tower without a map, but I'm good at mapping things out in my head. It was designed to be a bit of a labyrinth but if people don't like it people don't like it.
Eh, none of the dungeons are that difficult (I didn't notice the absence of maps until I started playing Xillia lol) but I agree that Wallbridge is a vile place.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Hell, it was one of only two decent dungeons in the game. The one with the "Star Ocean" theme later is the other one.
Meccanical
Member
I don't recall finding any of the dungeons impressive.
They were all just places to fight enemies in.
They were all just places to fight enemies in.
There was at least one proper puzzle dungeon. Which is one more than Xillia has. Dunno why they make less and less of them.
Meccanical
Member
Puzzles are hard.
I'm finding that become less and less of a thing with RPGs in general though.
I'm finding that become less and less of a thing with RPGs in general though.
Same reason why we're given a mini map even for dungeons in Xillia.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
It was one of the reasons I hope ToZ goes back to ToS' puzzle dungeons. Those were strong.
Yup, single-flavor difficulty. Tim Schafer is right yet again.
Yup, single-flavor difficulty. Tim Schafer is right yet again.
Yu Narukami
Member
Ok I bought this for 15 bucks for PSN.
Before I start, can i have some tips please?
Are there missables?
What titles should I focus on? Should I master them all?
Last question, how many skills can a character equip?
Before I start, can i have some tips please?
Are there missables?
What titles should I focus on? Should I master them all?
Last question, how many skills can a character equip?
WeaponKnight
Member
Yu Narukami
Member
Can you tell me the missables without spoiling Takato?
WeaponKnight
Member
Everything from the child arc.
Many optional scenes and skits, some are tied to titles.
Ann Inn request tied to a trophy. There is a character that will lose his handkerchief, and if you don't get it before entering the final dungeon it's lost forever.
Besides that, there's not much compared to other tales, it's a great improvement. There isn't even a missables guide to go along
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My secret identity!
So part of my PS3 backlog is Tales of Graces F. Going to be starting this game fresh in an attempt to get as many trophies as I can. I really enjoyed the past Tales games (besides Legendia) and I was wondering if this game can hold it's own against games like Destiny, Symphonia, Phantasia, Vesperia. I'm going to play Xillia next but since I don't hear great things about Graces I wanted to give it a shot first.
Played until Future Arc. Here's my two cents on it: the combat system is fun, title collection system to unlock new artes/benefits are nice, but the story is kind of cliche and lackluster (in my opinion).
You will find Absel and Sophie repeating the same thing over and over for much of the story.
inanutshell
Member
I finished the game last week and I agree with this pretty much. Though the story is cliche in Graces I found it more tolerable than Abyss and Vesperia where the story made me drop both games.
Yu Narukami
Member
How frequent can you save in this game? I'm asking this because I can only play 1 hour at a time.
I am surprised by the amount of save points Xillia has. The quick save option is a great addition too.
Yu Narukami
Member
This board is pretty much dead, but I need a few tips.
First of all, I still have problems with the timing of the combos. How can I improve? All I do is mash X. My main problem is mainly the analog stick. Going from LEFT+X and then change for instance to UP+X is problematic for me, because I don't know when to change the combination. It would have been better to map the artes on the buttons. Is it possible to map the A-artes to another combination?
Another thing is, I'm afraid to sell anything. And since I mess around with dualizing I don't have much money. What should I sell? Would schould I keep?
Also, is there a benefit in dualizing weapons or are the buyable weapon always better?
Last question, how do I keep an effect on a weapon if I want to upgrade it?
First of all, I still have problems with the timing of the combos. How can I improve? All I do is mash X. My main problem is mainly the analog stick. Going from LEFT+X and then change for instance to UP+X is problematic for me, because I don't know when to change the combination. It would have been better to map the artes on the buttons. Is it possible to map the A-artes to another combination?
Another thing is, I'm afraid to sell anything. And since I mess around with dualizing I don't have much money. What should I sell? Would schould I keep?
Also, is there a benefit in dualizing weapons or are the buyable weapon always better?
Last question, how do I keep an effect on a weapon if I want to upgrade it?
WeaponKnight
Member
There's the problem. You need to push X only once, then tilt to a direction, press X again, and so on. If you mash it, it will ignore the direction you tilted. Try to push X when your character hits the enemy, or right before the attack animation is done. You can't change the mapping.
Money making in this game comes from weapons and crystals.
Each quality you dualize your weapon to increases its selling value by a certain multiplier. You need to try each quality and make note of the price increases
or look a a faq
As for the crystals, you can mix and match the abilities to increase their value.
The dualized weapons were always stronger for me.
By upgrade you mean adding shards or dualizing to a different weapon? You can keep the same abilities by putting the same shard, but dualizing gives you a whole new equipment so everytning will be lost.
I'm pretty sure you can mash X as long as the stick is in the position you want for the next arte when the animation for the current arte finishes. I mash X and just hold the stick in position for the next arte until its animation starts.
As for being able to tell where one move ends and the next begins--it's just familiarity with your character's moves. It looks chaotic at first but after playing for a bit, going over the A-arte tree once or twice, and keeping an eye on the text at the top that shows the artes everyone is using, you'll get it pretty quick.
As for being able to tell where one move ends and the next begins--it's just familiarity with your character's moves. It looks chaotic at first but after playing for a bit, going over the A-arte tree once or twice, and keeping an eye on the text at the top that shows the artes everyone is using, you'll get it pretty quick.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Yeah, it's a Fighter with simplified controls like that. Plan and practice those combos, and know what you need for bosses!
soooo,
i got to the end where i thought it was the end, but nope, shit keeps dragging on
perfectly good place to end the story and they just had to continue with this non-sense
it's bad enough we had to go back and forth through multiple towns to get to another cut scene
this is why i hate playing jrpgs, the game HAS TO BE 60 FUCKING HOURS, let's just cram more useless filler shit in here to make it longer
i wish i hadn't played xillia before this, xillia has way better pacing, decent story that didnt drag on, and teleporting between locations
i got to the end where i thought it was the end, but nope, shit keeps dragging on
perfectly good place to end the story and they just had to continue with this non-sense
it's bad enough we had to go back and forth through multiple towns to get to another cut scene
this is why i hate playing jrpgs, the game HAS TO BE 60 FUCKING HOURS, let's just cram more useless filler shit in here to make it longer
i wish i hadn't played xillia before this, xillia has way better pacing, decent story that didnt drag on, and teleporting between locations
Where you at? While Graces isn't exactly perfectly paced I thought it was, on average, shorter than other Tales games (Abyss, Vesperia, Legendia, Hearts, even Symphonia probably).