Talking Shop w/Bernie Sanders - Killer Mike interviews Bernie Sanders in Atlanta

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On November 23rd, 2015, Killer Mike sat down with Senator Bernie Sanders at The SWAG Shop in Atlanta, GA to discuss topics ranging from gun control to democratic socialism. Please share this hour-long conversation and let us know what you think in the comment section below.

1/6: Economic Freedom
2/6: Social Justice
3/6: Rigged Economy
4/6: Free Health Care: It Ain’t a Big Deal
5/6: This Country Was Started As An Act Of Political Protest
6/6: Democrats Win When People Vote
I don't have much to say in this OP, but it's a good watch. Hopefully this interview will help him gain some traction with Black and other minority voters.
 
I don't have much to say in this OP, but it's a good watch. Hopefully this interview will help him gain some traction with Black and other minority voters.

It won't. But it's a good look nonetheless. I'm black and will be voting for Sanders in the Michigan primary, if he makes it to that point. Clearly Hillary will be the nominee.
 
It won't. But it's a good look nonetheless. I'm black and will be voting for Sanders in the Michigan primary, if he makes it to that point. Clearly Hillary will be the nominee.
It's a shame, especially because this appears to be the realest and most candid interview I've seen with him on racial justice as a whole in a while, if at all. And even if nothing will bolster his chances, things like this are a good step forward. Sometimes I wonder, if enough people take the attitude of, "He has no chance, but I'll vote for him anyway," does he actually have a chance?

If he and his supporters, especially those with clout like Killer Mike, continue to raise awareness in the face of opposition--even from within their own ranks--eventually they could look around and see that they actually have a chance. Hopefully, we can get to that point.
 
It won't. But it's a good look nonetheless. I'm black and will be voting for Sanders in the Michigan primary, if he makes it to that point. Clearly Hillary will be the nominee.

Nothing is clear yet...

Bernie is strong here in NH, and that's the best place to be strong right now.
 
It's a shame, especially because this appears to be the realest and most candid interview I've seen with him on racial justice as a whole in a while, if at all. And even if nothing will bolster his chances, things like this are a good step forward. Sometimes I wonder, if enough people take the attitude of, "He has no chance, but I'll vote for him anyway," does he actually have a chance?

If he and his supporters, especially those with clout like Killer Mike, continue to raise awareness in the face of opposition--even from within their own ranks--eventually they could look around and see that they actually have a chance. Hopefully, we can get to that point.

I think the problem is that he's simply the wrong messenger to run against a political machine. He's not a good politician, doesn't really appeal to a broad coalition, and is 70+ years old. He's Ron Paul for democrats.

It's hard to appeal to low information voters when you don't really do anything to stand out. While running against a candidate with full name ID who is basically running as the heir of a popular president. Those voters are going to blindly vote for Hillary because she's next up, has establishment credibility, etc; not to mention the historical nature of her campaign.

To use GAF as an example, how many times have you noticed drive-by posts about Sanders allegedly having nothing to say about civil rights, no record on civil rights/criminal justice, "marching with King doesn't matter," etc. And when you post your information that contradicts those talking points what happens? Some admit they had no idea, others say nothing, but the status quo remains in place. I don't believe Sanders can combat that, given his limitations as a politician. If he was 20 years younger and had the charisma of a Barack Obama (or even a Howard Dean) sure, I could at least buy the idea he could give Hillary some trouble in certain states.

But that's not the case. I don't see him winning 5 states against Hillary. But I'd hope that his supporters realize this is a very important election, and sitting out because your guy lost would be pure stupidity.
 
nice, will watch later

I loved Killer Mike's speech that he gave at the Atlanta rally. honestly the fact that Killer Mike is supporting a politician and is so passionate about that speaks volumes to me.
 
Cool cool cool. I love Mr. Mike's passion. His intro for Bernie in Atlanta was not the kind of thing you see at an everyday campaign event. I look forward to watching this after work.
 
I think the problem is that he's simply the wrong messenger to run against a political machine. He's not a good politician, doesn't really appeal to a broad coalition, and is 70+ years old. He's Ron Paul for democrats.

It's hard to appeal to low information voters when you don't really do anything to stand out. While running against a candidate with full name ID who is basically running as the heir of a popular president. Those voters are going to blindly vote for Hillary because she's next up, has establishment credibility, etc; not to mention the historical nature of her campaign.

To use GAF as an example, how many times have you noticed drive-by posts about Sanders allegedly having nothing to say about civil rights, no record on civil rights/criminal justice, "marching with King doesn't matter," etc. And when you post your information that contradicts those talking points what happens? Some admit they had no idea, others say nothing, but the status quo remains in place. I don't believe Sanders can combat that, given his limitations as a politician. If he was 20 years younger and had the charisma of a Barack Obama (or even a Howard Dean) sure, I could at least buy the idea he could give Hillary some trouble in certain states.

But that's not the case. I don't see him winning 5 states against Hillary. But I'd hope that his supporters realize this is a very important election, and sitting out because your guy lost would be pure stupidity.
Fair points, and I think we're (mostly) on the same page. I, too, acknowledge that his chances are quite low. But when you look at something like this as a marathon as opposed to a sprint, the push for awareness in spite of a lack of faith becomes much more understandable. And you're right--Sanders isn't charismatic. He's very brusque and abrasive, and that can potentially turn off a lot of voters who would otherwise align with his ideals. That's why the constant push is important, especially from people who his underserved demographic might trust more than him alone. Consider phanphare's post:
I loved Killer Mike's speech that he gave at the Atlanta rally. honestly the fact that Killer Mike is supporting a politician and is so passionate about that speaks volumes to me.
Now, I don't know whether phanphare was interested in Sanders already, but this line of thought explains why Killer Mike's endorsement is critical. Interviews like this are crucial for debunking some misinformation about him. Is it going to cover all bases? No, but it's a step forward. As they discuss in the videos, he's preaching a lot of what Black people and other minorities have been for a while. The more people start to listen to his points, especially when made more palatable by coming from someone whom they may already know and respect, the more likely they'd be willing to listen to similar candidates in the future. Or, best case, the more likely they may come out and vote for him. As for the drive-bys, I think a lot of people have already made their minds up against him. That's a shame, but that in no way discredits any of the above.

Also, I'll readily admit that voting against Clinton in the general because Sanders loses is a dumb move, if only because SCOTUS exists. I'm not a fan of her, but even I wouldn't vote against her or skip out because Sanders lost. It's a gradual process, and giving up because one battle's lost is effectively surrender.
 
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Killer Mike is still supporting Sanders? KM needs to get a GAF account so that he can learn why minorities should only be supporting Clinton.

Anyway, great interview. I watched it last night when KM linked to it on Twitter. It's a shame Sanders has no chance at the nom. I believe his record is better than Clinton's, but sure, I think they would push about 90% of the same agenda.

Always good to see high profile people like KM not afraid to voice their opinion.


I think the problem is that he's simply the wrong messenger to run against a political machine. He's not a good politician, doesn't really appeal to a broad coalition, and is 70+ years old. He's Ron Paul for democrats.

It's hard to appeal to low information voters when you don't really do anything to stand out. While running against a candidate with full name ID who is basically running as the heir of a popular president. Those voters are going to blindly vote for Hillary because she's next up, has establishment credibility, etc; not to mention the historical nature of her campaign.

To use GAF as an example, how many times have you noticed drive-by posts about Sanders allegedly having nothing to say about civil rights, no record on civil rights/criminal justice, "marching with King doesn't matter," etc. And when you post your information that contradicts those talking points what happens? Some admit they had no idea, others say nothing, but the status quo remains in place. I don't believe Sanders can combat that, given his limitations as a politician. If he was 20 years younger and had the charisma of a Barack Obama (or even a Howard Dean) sure, I could at least buy the idea he could give Hillary some trouble in certain states.

But that's not the case. I don't see him winning 5 states against Hillary. But I'd hope that his supporters realize this is a very important election, and sitting out because your guy lost would be pure stupidity.

Great post. I agree with Sanders simply being too old to take the Dem nom right now.
 
This is such a great, great interview. Bernie seems like such a genuine dude.


Also these two need some kind of buddy cop sitcom or something.
 
You shouldn't vote for this man because Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers don't want you to.

Well, that certainly helps, but you should vote for the man because he's the only one that gets the big picture.

Clinton is more electable, and you gotta vote for who you got to when the primaries are over, but for now, there is no reason not to vote for Bernie in the primaries. It's the only real opportunity Americans have to vote for who they want without jeopardising the big picture.
 
Private prisons is a fucking disgusting idea, honestly. Like, fundamentally vile.

Edit: Yo, what, felons can't vote? America please.
 
Private prisons is a fucking disgusting idea, honestly. Like, fundamentally vile.

Edit: Yo, what, felons can't vote? America please.

Depends on the felon in question. Some get their voting rights restored after serving time (but many don't, which is fucked up).
 
This person needs to be elected your president America. How can anyone disagree with what he's saying?
 
Doesn't Mike believe in the Illuminati and believe all presidents are puppets? Why does he want to support another puppet? I haven't watched the interview, so maybe that's brought up.

Ronald Reagan was an actor, not at all a factor
Just an employee of the country's real masters
Just like the Bushes, Clinton and Obama
Just another talking head telling lies on teleprompters
- Killer Mike
 
Doesn't Mike believe in the Illuminati and believe all presidents are puppets? Why does he want to support another puppet? I haven't watched the interview, so maybe that's brought up.

- Killer Mike

I wish people would divorce the idea of the mega rich strongly influencing politics from the mystical all-powerful illuminati bullshit. But yes, they talk about that in the interview.
 
Oh sorry man, i somehow missed it. Oh well, more Bernie exposure, yeah? ;)

Yeah, mane. There was some good discussion starting in the other thread, but this one appears to have gained more traction. Maybe a mod can merge them into each other?
 
Doesn't Mike believe in the Illuminati and believe all presidents are puppets? Why does he want to support another puppet? I haven't watched the interview, so maybe that's brought up.

- Killer Mike
those lyrics seem to imply an opinion that most recent presidents have been shills working more to line the pockets of a select few than for the benefit of the american people as a whole. That doesn't mean the office of president has always been or always will be corrupt or that democracy is inherently flawed.
 
I met Killer Mike like 6 months ago. Been a fan since I was in high school. He's always been that dude. REALLY glad to see this, especially with Bernie.
 
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