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TDK Showcases 100GB *Recordable* Blu-Ray Discs
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Naked Snake
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Holy shit, dumping my big mess of backup CDs on a couple of those discs would save me a lot of space and hassle every time I need a random file.
monkeymagic
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I think there is room for both in the market
Blu-Ray is guaranteed success just from the fact it will be in every single PS3 ever sold (can't say the same for X360 and HD-DVD)
But HD-DVD does have considerable studio support - at least equal to that of BRD so I see them both co-existing for a while until one or all studios decide to release their movies on both formats (let's face it doesn't cost that much to put a 1080p mastered movie on both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray) and let the consumers decide.
Blu-Ray is guaranteed success just from the fact it will be in every single PS3 ever sold (can't say the same for X360 and HD-DVD)
But HD-DVD does have considerable studio support - at least equal to that of BRD so I see them both co-existing for a while until one or all studios decide to release their movies on both formats (let's face it doesn't cost that much to put a 1080p mastered movie on both HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray) and let the consumers decide.
Hey can someone briefly explain to me the pros and cons of each format? I've been slack in keeping up with the whole HD-DVD vs Blu Ray battle. What are the chances for a possible unification in the future? As a consumer, I would like to have the best of both worlds (considering if each format has its plus and minuses).
ManaByte
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the_geche said:
Basically both are backwardly compatible with current DVD. The big differences are more of a production style thing which is why the support is so split and the two formats will fuck consumers over by splintering the market.
BluRay has higher storage capacity, but the discs cannot be pressed in current DVD production facilities, while HD-DVD discs can. Also, HD-DVD has stronger anti-piracy measures in its data reading software, which is why some studios won't budge for BluRay. Sony was offered a compromise for a unified format that used the BluRay disc format and the HD-DVD data reading technology (which the studios like), but Sony wants to control the world and said "fuck that" and thus are splintering the market.
UltraMarioMan
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Blu-Ray = Beta-Max 2 : Snakes on a Plane!
fortified_concept
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ManaByte said:
So in other words BluRay is good for the consumer bad for the corporations while HD-DVD is the opposite. I'll go with Blu-Ray.
ManaByte said:
Not true.
At the very least, it's likely that both formats will end up using identical copy-protection systems (AACS), and so in that respect, both new formats will be "equally bad" for consumers.
One of the reasons some studios are refusing to commit to HD DVD is they want to hold out for even stronger DRM from the BD group. I suspect it's likely BD will end up with even more restrictive anti-piracy features than HD DVD if some companies have their way.
Phoenix
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aaaaa0 said:
Highlu unlikely that either standard will be able to enforce more restrictive features that the ones currently on DVDs (outside of preventing wholesale copying), because people simply won't use it. Both standards are a solution looking for a problem while trying to push a hidden agenda (stop people from bootlegging DVDs - which won't happen because people will just resort to frame captures). Consumers don't really need either one and if they new standards show up expensive (likely) and stupidly crippled - people just won't buy.
Phoenix said:
Regardless of how realistic such demands are, I know for a fact that some of the media companies are refusing to endorse AACS (and by proxy HD DVD) because they don't believe it is restrictive enough.
Since it is pretty much finalized that HD DVD will use AACS, and BD-ROM is earlier in its development process, it stands to reason that some companies will attempt to prod BD into putting even stronger measures in if they believe the HD DVD ship has already sailed.
At the very least, both formats will end up with copy protection systems that provide similar capabilities for content providers.
So for a consumer to choose one over the other based on the perceived strength of its copy protection system is not too bright.
monkeymagic
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fortified_concept said:
Pretty much
And anyone that thinks the cost savings in manufacturing HD-DVD discs on existing DVD equipment will result in DVD priced HD-DVD discs is being naive.
The savings won't be passed on to consumers - both formats will be priced at a premium within $5-$10 of each other.
I bought a DVD burner thinking foolishly that I'll be able to save so much more HD space burning stuff off. How very wrong I was. you see with a CD, I reach 700Mb of Data and I burn it off. I don't have to wait so long and off it goes. With DVD's I have to wait for 4Gb of data to pool up on my HD before I burn it off. Being the organised fellow that I am, I like to categorise my collection, so I have 5 differnt folders each around 4 gigs in them waiting to reach the 4.5 gigs so I can burn it off. This takes up more than 20 gigs at a time just sitting on my HD waiting to be pulled off.
With Blueray...omg, I'm going to have to use pool up to 100gigs on my HD before I can burn it off. Burning off to DVD then putting them onto a Blueray Disc would be a nightmare copying them to HD for transfer to Blueray.
aren't I a spark of positivity.
With Blueray...omg, I'm going to have to use pool up to 100gigs on my HD before I can burn it off. Burning off to DVD then putting them onto a Blueray Disc would be a nightmare copying them to HD for transfer to Blueray.
aren't I a spark of positivity.
They already have M$ backing it and movie companies are jumping Blu Ray's ship.Phoenix said:
I have a feeling it's all over for Blu Ray.
Meanwhile, HD-DVD has a higher capacity but even the people who developed it admitted they could not successfully write to it :lol Yet everyone still embraces the format. Lame!
ManaByte said:
So I guess Toshiba is a bright little angel in this entire ordeal? BTW you have no idea how the deal fell apart. Unless you work hi up for either Toshiba or Sony but then I'd have to question your reliability in having an even opinion.
Funny how the two companies can work closely together on one project (CELL) and not come to grips on another.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Speaking of copying DVD movies, that reminds me of the Xing situation.
Ah yes, quick search on google.
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9911/05/dvd.hack.idg/
This makes me wonder, if Xing had not fuxored it up, I wonder how long it would have taken for DVD's to be able to be copied.
Ah yes, quick search on google.
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9911/05/dvd.hack.idg/
This makes me wonder, if Xing had not fuxored it up, I wonder how long it would have taken for DVD's to be able to be copied.
Comfort_Eagle
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Thats fucking awesome.
Don't mind Manabyte. He's clearly being sponsored by Toshiba and their POS format, b/c there's nothing else in it for the consumer. BRD is the better product. Accept it, or continue to live in denial.
The one advantage HD-DVD holds over BRD is the ability to retrofit current plants to make the discs. What's not mentioned in this is not only will retrofitting still cost money (albeit less than building new plants), but the retrofitted plants don't operate at full speed. So it may cost less on infrastructure or machinery, but productions is supposed to be lower. So I don't even see that as an advantage. To produce either format at full capacity, you have to build new facilities.
BRD holds more space, transfers data faster, is better at rewrites and...why even bother stating more of the obvious? If you see anyone talking up HD-DVD, ask them if they're getting money from Toshiba, or ask them if they just plain hate Sony. Otherwise, you can't justify HD-DVD on merit, b/c there is none. PEACE.
The one advantage HD-DVD holds over BRD is the ability to retrofit current plants to make the discs. What's not mentioned in this is not only will retrofitting still cost money (albeit less than building new plants), but the retrofitted plants don't operate at full speed. So it may cost less on infrastructure or machinery, but productions is supposed to be lower. So I don't even see that as an advantage. To produce either format at full capacity, you have to build new facilities.
BRD holds more space, transfers data faster, is better at rewrites and...why even bother stating more of the obvious? If you see anyone talking up HD-DVD, ask them if they're getting money from Toshiba, or ask them if they just plain hate Sony. Otherwise, you can't justify HD-DVD on merit, b/c there is none. PEACE.
Diablos said:
HD-DVD has the lower capacity.
MS is working with Toshiba on the operating system side of things, not the console side. So the success of the format still falls back to the movie studios (who have no real loyalties and will support whichever format wins), and the hardware manufacturers. And AFAIK, there aren't as many people making HD-DVD hardware (standalone or PC parts) as there are making BRD hardware.
Again, HD-DVD sucks my nuts. PEACE.
JoshuaJSlone
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100 gigabytes? About damn time. I was wondering how I was going to store my 3 million copies of GB Tetris.
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