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TEACH ME HOW TO DRIVE STANDARD BECAUSE I SUCK

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Alucard

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No seriously, I'm brutal. It doesn't help that there are a lot of hills in my area. I had my first "hill incident" today actually. It was fairly steep and I had NO idea what I was doing so I just braked and...you can imagine what happened. I stalled first (there was a guy behind me too) and the second time I did a mini-peel out and the car was jumping like a mofo. What gear should I be in for hills anyways?

I'm not too great at dead starts either. I still shake the car but AM noticing a very slight improvement...it's all in finding the balance between the clutch and gas. I think I need to have the clutch relatively high (not pushed in) while giving just a BIT of gas for smooth starts.

Someone in my other car thread mentioned that they knew of a website with instructional videos on driving stick. Can anyone help me out with that?

PLEASE HELP ME BEFORE I KILL MY CAR SOONER THAN I WANT TO. :( I've never felt so stressed while driving...always afraid that I'll stall at a red, etc. Please, please, please help me. I suck.
 

KingGondo

Banned
It's tough to describe how to drive a stick--just get out there and do it. Preferably in an empty parking lot, until you get the hang of it.

If you're near to a complete stop on a hill, I would recommend dropping to first. It will be SUPER-sensitive, but the engine shouldn't rev too high.
 

Piecake

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This might be somewhat bad for the car(I have no idea) but if you are about to stop, just put it into neutral. That way you wont kill your car once you come to a complete stop. If you end up not stopping put your car in the gear apporpriate to your speed. 1st gear 0-15 2nd 15-25 3rd 25-35 4th 35-45 etc
 
What Gondo said. The best way to learn is to practice, practice, practice and that's because driving stick is easy to describe but hard to learn in practice.

I could describe step by step how to drive a stick and it would do you absolutely no good at all. Whenever you have a couple of hours free, that's when you hit those hills. Preferably late at night or early in the morning so you don't have to worry about backing into anyone.
 

fart

Savant
once you understand the mechanics it all makes perfect sense. read up on your transmission at howthingswork.com
 

marko

Member
I think your are on the right idea. To me, it was all about finding the exact "point" when releasing the clutch where the car starts to move. I've seen many people when learning to drive just release the clutch uniformly till the clutch is all the way out. What you really need to do is release as quick as you would like till it reaches that point just when the car starts to move, then release the clutch ever so slowly for that inital part while giving it gas.

This is key for when you are on the hills, since you cannot give the car gas til you release the break. Find that point, once you have found it, you can release the break, and quickly give it gas while slowly releasing the clutch.

I would personally just practice with your vehicle to get to know that point well. Notice how when you get to that point, if you release the clutch ever so slowly, you don't even need to give the car gas to get it going. Notice how nicely the car will go with just a little gas. Then just keep speeding up the release of the clutch with the amount of gas you give it.

Anyway, not sure if that is helpful or not.
 
the moment you put on the clutch, release the gas, and vice versa. or something, fuck, it's hard to explain when you're not actually doing it!!

/proud owner of a manual Sentra
 

Vark

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there's only really 2 things you need to know

a) when you're coasting / going to be stopping etc, put it in neutral

b) to learn how to clutch right, get in your car, start it up, and take your foot off the gas and the break. now, push in the clutch all the way and put it into gear...

WITHOUT HITTING THE GAS, slowly ease up on the clutch, you'll feel a point where the clutch 'catches' and the car will slowly start rolling forward... this is the sweet spot.

If you push in from here the clutch disengages, if you continue to ease up the car will stall.

You can also do this on a hill and without using the break it will keep the car from moving anywhere.


Once you know where this sweet spot is and are comfortable with it, thats where you should start applying gas and easing up more on the clutch. play with the clutch a lot, spend some time learning where that catch is and it'll make shit a whole lot easier.
 

Eggo

GameFan Alumnus
Nobody has mentioned what to do on a hill. I've been on some steep ones, and it's really scary if you don't know what you're doing. Instead of burning out your clutch or constantly braking on a hill, you should pull the emergency brake when you're stopped. When you're ready to start moving again, clutch in all the way, then let it out till you get that friction point. You can gas it lightly to get a feel for "OK, the car is going to move now..." When you have the right point, you drop the e-brake and start driving.

For non-uphill stick driving, I used a lot of clutch early until I became comfortable with shifting properly. If you use heavy clutch, your car won't jerk around, and you'll be able to get around alright. Just be careful if you smell your clutch burning. You should probably take it easy.
 
Without reading the other replies in this thread my advice is as follows:

When stopping, before you're really experienced, hold the clutch down (effectively putting you into neutral) and just use the brake to stop yourself. As you gain experience, you'll learn the joys of downshifting. Even then, I usually just put it in neutral after I've hit third going down. (Less stress on the engine.)

When starting the car from a fullstop, hold the clutch down entirely. Shift into first gear, and then while pushing the gas gently, slowly lift your foot off the clutch. Very slowly. You'll notice that you'll start moving when your clutch and gas are both about half way depressed. That's the trick.

When going up a particularly steep hill (an incline of 15 degrees or more), drop the gear into a lower one than before.

When shifting up or down, take your foot off the gas momentarily, and depress the clutch. Then when you've safely shifted, put your foot back on the gas. If you do it too soon, the engine revs-- there's nothing dangerous about that, but it's a clue that you're gassing it too quickly.

While you'll eventually "know" when to upshift here's a handy guide:

For most cars:

1-15 km/h -- First gear
15-35 kmh/ -- Second gear
35-50 km/h -- Third gear
50 - 80 km/h -- Fourth gear
80 + km/h -- Fifth

I doubt you'd have a sixth gear but if you do 100 km/h + would be sixth.


But really, learning manual isn't really that hard. Once you learn it, it becomes the most natural thing in the world. I've never driven an automatic. Manual means the joy of driving to me.
 
Go into a deserted parking lot, stop the car, put it into neutral. Push the clutch in, put it in 1st gear. Now slowly let go of the clutch, and try to find the EXACT pressure point on it where you're a hair from either stalling the engine (your car might bounce around a little), or driving forward. THIS point is the cutoff point of your car, the give and take/clutch and gas deal you have to know how to handle. Do this again and again. and again. Each car has a different "cutoff point", some you have to press the clutch in deeper, some less.

As for switching gears while driving, think of it as each gear being for a different range of speed. Some ranges could technically cross over each other, but that could either be a problem or a help. 1st gear range could cross over 3rd gear range, but it's revving the engine too much. Exact speed range/gears ratio is different for each car. But as a general rule, 1st and 2nd have the widest ranges. Generally, 40-60 mph (about 80-100 kmph) should be the early range of 5th gear, and for lower gears, divide down from that. If you go under the 1 mark on Rpms, switch to a lower gear (or neutral), or you will stall soon. Drive your car around empty streets to find out your ranges.

For example, if you're driving a faster speed (50mph), and there's a problem up ahead, slowly press the brake. If your stopping quicker than expected, and your rpm is going dropping by the 2 mark, press the clutch, and put the gear into neutral. You don't need to do anything else, even if you make a complete stop (just the brake). If you slowed down to 30 mph, and now want to climb back to 50, press clutch put in a (good) lower gear, so you can gain speed quicker. As another example, when I drove on highways in Europe with a lot of hills, when going uphill I downshifted to 4th, and going down I went back up to 5th. This wastes more gas, but is quicker.

The "stop on a hill" scenario really sucks. The "cutoff point" is slightly different, and has to be quickly done, so you won't roll back into the car behind you. When I was a beginner to stick driving(not too long ago), one thing I learned to do for this problem was to hold the hand brake up as I do the foot exchange, so I won't roll back. And then as I slowly press gas, I slowly put the handbrake down. This KILLS the handbrake, but it got me thru the beginner phase. Since this scenario doesn't happen too often, and the better I got, the less I needed to do this.


I drove automatic 7 years before trying to learn manual. I used to dread driving it. I was fine when moving, but was afraid to come to a stop. I panicked when I saw hills. But practice, practice, practice on deserted roads and parking lots. Soon it'll be fun.
 
you can't teach someone on how to drive a stick on message board. It can only be learned by trail and error. I have drivin stick for 3 years, and each car that is manual is different. Sure, stick at first can be scary, let alone you think why the f'ing did I decide to get this kind of car. I have to say after you learned it you say to your self, why the fuck did I drive a automatic.
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Whew, I guess I'm lucky. I just started learning myself, but I picked up on it real fast. Did you have anyone explain the basic concept to you before you went for it?
 

Poody

What program do you use to photoshop a picture?
Well I just bought a Mazda3 hatch this year and I learned how to drive manuel with it so i know how you feel. Just remember if you ever stop on an incline and you are uncomfortable just pull the ebrake up and shift to first and engage while slowly releasing the ebrake. After a few weeks it becomes natural and really fun! Also learn to matach rpms and do heel toes they are really helpful.
 

tenchir

Member
Why would people want to learn how do drive stick? What advantages it offers over automatic shifting? Is it really worth it? I just think it is needlessly complicated.
 

Mustang

Banned
My cousin recommended driving barefoot as it helps you feel the clutchs grab point better. Said it helped her.

Suggested that to my wife who I taught just a few months ago and she did quite a bit better like that.
 

Vormund

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tenchir said:
Why would people want to learn how do drive stick? What advantages it offers over automatic shifting? Is it really worth it? I just think it is needlessly complicated.

It's more fun.
 

SyNapSe

Member
tenchir said:
Why would people want to learn how do drive stick? What advantages it offers over automatic shifting? Is it really worth it? I just think it is needlessly complicated.

I'll list some basic reasons. Manual generally saves you 700-$1000 off of your purchase of the car. Their tend to be less problems with Manual Transmissions, and when they do have problems they are much cheaper to fix/replace.

However, most critical is Manuals are MUCH more fun to drive. Especially, if you have a semi-performance type vehicle.*

* I put an asterisk here, because if you drive in heavy stop and go traffic everyday.. a manual would actually be horrible to drive.


To the original poster:

Driving Manual is difficult to explain just like riding a bike. The mechanics are simple, but it's just a feeling of when to shift, etc. It will just take time and practice.. I don't think there are any huge secrets.
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
You've got tp feeeeeeel it!

You haven't driven 'til you've driven stick.
 

Alucard

Banned
Okay, so I'm a bit better today. I did however have another SUPER embarassing moment. I was at a red light, it turned green, I had the vibe going and...sputter sputter sputter...Oh oh. "Okay, it's just one stall" I thought to myself. I repeated this about 4 times! At this point I'm IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION. I reach for the stick...and realize I'm in third gear. :( So yeah, that sucked. But I'm getting the basic idea for the hills now...you can just keep still with the clutch a little raised, can't you? I thought you HAD to use the gas. This thread has helped quite a bit actually, so thanks for the tips. Hopefully I won't be this stressed a week from now.
 

SyNapSe

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Alucard said:
Okay, so I'm a bit better today. I did however have another SUPER embarassing moment. I was at a red light, it turned green, I had the vibe going and...sputter sputter sputter...Oh oh. "Okay, it's just one stall" I thought to myself. I repeated this about 4 times! At this point I'm IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION. I reach for the stick...and realize I'm in third gear. :( So yeah, that sucked. But I'm getting the basic idea for the hills now...you can just keep still with the clutch a little raised, can't you? I thought you HAD to use the gas. This thread has helped quite a bit actually, so thanks for the tips. Hopefully I won't be this stressed a week from now.

:( I remember when I bought my first car, and it was manual. I was on this huge incline hill, and of course the asshole behind me pulled right up on my bumper (or it seemed like it). I got so nervous, I made my friend who was in the passenger seat switch get out and switch with me. Luckily, he was there, or it could have gotten ugly. lol
 

Pimpwerx

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You can learn the fundamentals online. But you'll have to put in stick time to get good, and that means lots of sputtering and stuttering and stalling. But that's part of the game. just avoid any 4th to 1st downshifts on the highway, and you'll be fine. :) I only drove a stick a few times before getting my Corolla, and I sucked. I also stuck it into 2nd a couple of times while trying to shift from 5th to 4th. So, the learning's part of the game.

I would suggest leaving downshifting to a later date. Upshifts and proper clutch actuation are tough enough as is when starting out. Take it easy on the gas. You don't need more than 2000rpm to launch in most cars. The key is finding the release point on the clutch. You want to push it in all the way, and (with the car in gear), release it gently until you feel a bit of resistance. Then you release it even slower until you can feel the rpms just start to drop from the resistance, then start feathering in some gas. Do this in a parking lot in first gear. Don't hold the clutch in forever or anything. But once you get an idea of where the clutch will start engaging the gear, you can practice over and over trying to see how much gas you need to apply and how fast, in order to start the car rolling. Once you get the car rolling, you can let the clutch out faster. Too fast and the car will bog, too slow and you're just wearing out the clutch. The same for applying the gas. You basically let off the clutch as you give it more gas. A see-saw if you will. One end goes up, the other down. You'll get a good feel for a comfortable launch.

Once you get that, find an empty hill and go on the incline and stop. With foot firmly on the brake, engage the clutch and put the car in first. Release the clutch until you feel it "biting" again, and then quickly, but carefully, move the foot from from the brake to the gas and apply maybe half-throttle, or roughly twice what you might have felt was comfortable for launching on the flat. Remember to keep the revs up in case you need more speed. For hills, overdoing it is better than the other way around. You can slow down quickly going up a hill, but not the other way around. If you spin the tires a few times, that's not a big deal, you'll get the feel of the pedal soon enough.

If I didn't say it already, take it easy for like the first week of learning. Besides hills, you don't need to launch at high revs. Shifting to 2nd and 3rd and 4th near redline is perfectly fine, but you don't really want to do it at launch. At launch, you're trying to move a huge ton of weight, so a lot of force is sent through the drivetrain to get the car moving initially, and higher rpms mean higher wear and tear and failure. But once you're at speed, rpms don't really screw up the drivetrain, just burns gas. :D

As for slowing to a light or taking a hill, you can put the car in neutral and coast. If you're in 4th, just shift to neutral and apply the brakes. It doesn't matter in a FWD car since the drive wheels are up front and have all the weight and traction. The balance of the car won't be upset any appreciable amount. Nothing bad will happen. It'll use less gas and put less wear and tear on the tranny. It's not exactly fancy, and it won't sound as good as a nice, crisp downshift, but that's fine. Once the car is slowed, you can choose a gear (based on the speed range the manufacturer lists for each gear) and try and get the rpms to a level that you think that gear would need for that speed. In other words, if you're slowing to 30mph, and you look in your owners manual and see that 2nd gear goes from 20-40mph at a redline of 5000rpms, then you'll want to probably rev the engine to about 3000rpms, engage the clutch (before or after revving, I don't think matters much), put it in 2nd and then release the clutch. You can probably see how this is difficult if you try braking as well, which is why you hear racing drivers talking about "heel-toeing" which allows them to use all three pedals at once. But that's why I say forget about downshifting for now. I couldn't heel-toe for a year and got by just fine with the slower approach.

Lastly, how you grip the shifter is overlooked too often. Place the knob in the palm of your hand. It's amazing how much smoother the motion is when you're hand is on top compared to the sides. Once you get good at driving, you can go back to a pistol grip or some variation of that. I palm mine now, but hold it with my fingertips when I'm pushing hard sometimes. I'm hoping to find a nice 8-ball shift knob soon as that would be perfect. PEACE.
 

alejob

Member
samus4ever said:
I have to say after you learned it you say to your self, why the fuck did I drive a automatic.


Well I learned on a manual but then my dad got an automatic and I say to my self "why the fuck did I drive a manual".

I guess it depends, if you want to just get somewhere(and thats what cars are for) its easier/better to have a automatic. If you want to "play" with your car then manual is better.

tenchir said:
Why would people want to learn how do drive stick? What advantages it offers over automatic shifting? Is it really worth it? I just think it is needlessly complicated.
The only real advantage I can think of(besides price) is that in a manual you can push your car harder, meaning you don't want to wait for it to shift if want more power. You have more control over your cars power.
 
Alucard: A good habit to get into is to shift into second before putting it into first. It helps the gates line up better, plus you'll never make the mistake of going into third again.

The advantages of driving manual is that you have much more control over your car. A manual car can stop about 40% faster than an automatic if the driver is experienced in driving manual. This it because once the foot is taken off the gas, the car decelerates immediately, unlike an automatic. In addition to that, proper downshifting will help speed up the deceleration, since the engine will be working to slow the car down. It also gives a more custom control, and you can use it to your advantage in inclement weather. (Such as using a higher or lower gear to gain more traction in a volitile situation.)

In addition, manuals also save on gas. Considerably. (In my experience.)

The intangible benefit of course is how much more fun a manual is to drive. I absolutely loathe automatics and consider it beneath me to drive one. :p
 
Oh, I forgot to mention. Another advantage of driving manual is better control in bad weather. If you need to brake hard in snowy or rainy weather, having a manual car could save you from a horrible accident, by being in total control of the speed of your car.
 

tenchir

Member
SyNapSe said:
I'll list some basic reasons. Manual generally saves you 700-$1000 off of your purchase of the car. Their tend to be less problems with Manual Transmissions, and when they do have problems they are much cheaper to fix/replace.

However, most critical is Manuals are MUCH more fun to drive. Especially, if you have a semi-performance type vehicle.*

* I put an asterisk here, because if you drive in heavy stop and go traffic everyday.. a manual would actually be horrible to drive.


To the original poster:

Driving Manual is difficult to explain just like riding a bike. The mechanics are simple, but it's just a feeling of when to shift, etc. It will just take time and practice.. I don't think there are any huge secrets.

So it's just cost and preference thing. I live in LA, so yeah it sounds horrible..... Both my brothers drive manual. :/

Hmmm, does playing racing games with steering wheels(manual) actually help?
 

Vitten

Member
Starting on a hill is easy once you learn to use the handbrake..
Apply the handbrake, start the car , push the clutch down and put it into first gear, slowly let the clutch come up while pressing gently on the accelerator and once you feel the car wants to move let go of the handbrake and you'll smoothly drive of without smoking your tires or drifting backwards.

As for standard driving .. just whatever gear that gives you around 2.5 - 3k RPM at the speed you're going is fine.
 

Cooper

Member
tenchir said:
So it's just cost and preference thing. I live in LA, so yeah it sounds horrible.....

I was concerned about LA traffic too when I got my first manual car last year. But personally, I've found traffic easier to handle using a stick shift. I can just leave the car in a low gear and creep forward, rather than constantly tapping the gas, hitting the brakes, tapping the gas, hitting the brakes....
 

dem

Member
Ive never used the handbrake while stopping at a hill. I dont even understand why you would do it. It seems like it would be awkward.
 

Piecake

Member
The only thing i dont like about manuals is that when im stopped on a hill going upwards in the wintertime is that i have to rev it up to 3rd gear to just get the car moving thanks to the snow and ice.
 
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