Teacher tells suicidal 8th grader to "carve deeper next time", keeps job
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xS1TH L0RDx
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How do you fuck up killing yourself, and NOT have it be a cry for help?
Good for the teacher, would've said the same thing.
Good for the teacher, would've said the same thing.
Fenderputty
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xS1TH L0RDx said:
You should never be allowed to teach or be in direct supervision of children. Like never ever.
You even acknowledge its a cry for help but still wouldn't give help in the appropriate fashion. Which is pretty disturbing.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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xS1TH L0RDx said:
It's a cry for help and you think this is a good measure? Good god, man, I hope you're not in any position to provide advice or help to anybody.
Seriously, even if the kid was just a cutter, that's still a very serious problem that the teacher should deal with on a discrete, professional level; to make fun of a kid for either suicide or self-injury is severely fucked up and entirely the wrong response to such issues.
How anybody can defend this teacher is beyond me (unless he's being entirely misrepresented in this article, which I suppose is possible).
All you people sayinig this was the right thing to do:
If you had a suicidal friend , relative, or child yourself, that you would tell them to kill themselves, too? You honestly think that's the right thing to do, especially when they're not bluffing, as they've already shown they're willing to go through with it, as they've tried to slit their wrists?
If you had a suicidal friend , relative, or child yourself, that you would tell them to kill themselves, too? You honestly think that's the right thing to do, especially when they're not bluffing, as they've already shown they're willing to go through with it, as they've tried to slit their wrists?
..pakbeka..
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failing to kill himself and then showing it off in front of the whole class? the kid wanted attention, but the teacher should have ignored him, the other kids would ridicule him enough
Thunder Monkey
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Wow humans are fucked up.
Glad I left that species years ago.
Glad I left that species years ago.
A kindergarten teacher told my brother to jump out of a second story window, back when I used to live in Far Rockaway. She opened the window, too.
She kept her job, and the private school even told my family we were no longer 'welcome' to continue attending. The teacher felt my parent's relationship (black / white) was 'wrong'.
She kept her job, and the private school even told my family we were no longer 'welcome' to continue attending. The teacher felt my parent's relationship (black / white) was 'wrong'.
Ether_Snake
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Most haters here will never ever have kids.
Haters.
Die miserable and alone, when you're too old to go back and change anything.
Haters.
Die miserable and alone, when you're too old to go back and change anything.
ZephyrFate
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No one defended child porn in the other topic.legend166 said:
Anyways, I think there's a difference between literally severing off a kitten's hind foot and a kid who was verbally harassed by his teacher for being suicidal. This teacher did have a poor choice of words but the reaction here is not surprising until, and I mean only until, there's a news story that the kid killed himself because of this. Only then will the reaction ubiquitously change in favor of all of us wanting this teacher's blood.
Dr.Guru of Peru
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xS1TH L0RDx said:
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What?
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Seriously?
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Joke post?
SapientWolf
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You probably have to be a little fucked in the head to deal with that kind of stuff on a daily basis. Nurse/doctor/soldier humor is almost as bad. You either get a callous or you end up with emotional scars.jett said:
bumpkin
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Okay, for the record, I'm not condoning suicide. But if you think your life sucks that bad and think death is your only answer, then whatever, do what you will. My older sister tried to commit suicide when I was in eighth grade; she was 18 and I was 13. I did not know what to make of it. I even blamed myself for it even happening. My mother tells me that I said to her, "if only I had stayed up and paid closer attention to what she was doing." I basically woke up for school to find my mother and sister weren't home, thought nothing of it, went to school, and then halfway through the day I got called down to the guidance counselor's office where my parents were waiting and told me what happened.
My sister survived, thankfully, but she has done nothing but use suicide threats as leverage with my parents ever since. My parents basically have been her prisoner -- in a manner of speaking -- ever since. My sister will never move out, she will never get her life together, and she'll probably be a burden on my parents until the day they die.
But... Here's the thing; people like this kid use suicide as a tool to get attention. They don't think of how it hurts the people who love them. Typically all they think about is how sorry they feel for themselves and that the world should throw pity at 'em. So I'm not at all sympathetic to the people who think the teacher was wrong. It sounds like sound advice to me.
My sister survived, thankfully, but she has done nothing but use suicide threats as leverage with my parents ever since. My parents basically have been her prisoner -- in a manner of speaking -- ever since. My sister will never move out, she will never get her life together, and she'll probably be a burden on my parents until the day they die.
But... Here's the thing; people like this kid use suicide as a tool to get attention. They don't think of how it hurts the people who love them. Typically all they think about is how sorry they feel for themselves and that the world should throw pity at 'em. So I'm not at all sympathetic to the people who think the teacher was wrong. It sounds like sound advice to me.
GriffD17 said:
We have... twice. We're trying one-on-one therapy this time. He hates being institutionalized and group therapy. I'm basically his suicide watch for the remainder of the summer.
I'm not as much outraged as I am scared. My brother is pretty fragile right now. He gets super depressed lately and one careless comment such as the above ("carve deeper next time") could send him over the edge. At the same time, I understand I can't protect him from everything. So I'm mostly just scared. I try, but that's all I can do. Hopefully, this doesn't happen again.
Anybody know for sure if this was a plea for attention from the kid? In the case of my brother, he wanted to read us his suicide notes, visit the site he was to take his life, and return the gun he had bought from a pawn shop to prove that it was over (on his own free will... didn't quite happen that way). He didn't want to keep anymore secrets from us: keep everything to himself. This may be a similar situation, minus the resolution (poor kid).
Rentahamster
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Time to spike his water with lithium: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8025454.stm
Joking aside, though, this teacher's an asshole. Totally out of line and unprofessional. That he isn't fired is a sad indicator that those involved are more concerned with their own job security than the welfare of the children they're paid to educate and protect.
Joking aside, though, this teacher's an asshole. Totally out of line and unprofessional. That he isn't fired is a sad indicator that those involved are more concerned with their own job security than the welfare of the children they're paid to educate and protect.
bumpkin said:
So people are either genuinely suicidal and Darwin will take care of them; or they're attention seeking, manipulative narcissists who don't care who they hurt as long as they win attention?
Those two extremes do not cover the broad spectrum of mental heath issues that can result in a suicide attempt.
Let's say the kid does just want attention. It's impossible to know whether this is because he's been or being abused, depressed and having fun fucking with people, depressed and genuinely seeking an emotional outlet, a spoilt brat hungry for empty validation, suffering from an unidentified mental health disorder, simply confused, or sincere in his desire to die but checked by the innate instinct of self preservation; just to name a few possibilities.
Is it reasonable to treat every self-harming, attention-seeking kid with callous disregard just because a percentage of them are brats?
As for your sister, she might have become spoilt by your parents, but that doesn't negate what might be a genuine mental health disorder that set the whole thing in motion and still affects her to this day. Perhaps she could be treated to the point at which she can live a normal life if your parents took her to the right professionals, and if they stopped enabling her behaviour. Perhaps not. They might believe her continued existence outweighs the financial burden of keeping her, and it's reasonable of them to choose not to gamble with her life if that's the way they feel - in spite of how bratty she's become.
Mockingbird
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Sounds like the TA was out to get the teacher.
If the teacher was joking around no biggie. Back in high school we loved the teachers that would actually joke around every now and then. On paper the story sounds horrible, but we don't know what his class' atmospheres are like, nor how much he might joke around with the students and vice versa.
We don't know anything else about this teacher -- yet you guys want him fired? Fuck off.
If the teacher was joking around no biggie. Back in high school we loved the teachers that would actually joke around every now and then. On paper the story sounds horrible, but we don't know what his class' atmospheres are like, nor how much he might joke around with the students and vice versa.
We don't know anything else about this teacher -- yet you guys want him fired? Fuck off.
SnakeXs said:
How about a little respect? You don't go offer an alcoholic a drink to celebrate to got out of rehab. I could imagine this kind of behavior from schoolpeers, but a teacher should know fucking better. Unless it's the kind of guy that was picked on when he was in school, tries to be "the cool teacher" now, and a saw a clean shot to get his rep up.
They shouldn't fire the teacher, they should drag his ass down a 100-steps stairs with a dragracingcar.
Teachers should look out for the welbeing of the pupils they are entrusted with, not kick a kid when he/she is already down.
Monocle
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Threads like this one often seem to compel Callous Nutjob-Age to come crawling out of the woodwork. Let's be real, people. An educator has no business talking to one of his wards in such a way. Nor does any decent human being to any other. When a person comes to you with a serious problem, the correct thing to do is offer aid in whatever way you can, not intentionally worsen their situation and try to dismiss your sadism with obscene blame-the-victim sophistry. The fact that this has to be spelled out for some of you is worrying.
evil solrac v3.0
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GAF needs to stop with the fake indifference and with the fake indignation at the indifferent posters, threads are becoming a bore to read....
Witchfinder General
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Fuck, an eight-year-old child shouldn't even know what suicide is let alone know which actions to take to end his own life.
evil solrac v3.0
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Ninja99 said:
no, it means that there is no real discussion. perfect example right here.
The teacher is totally wrong here. Sure, I like teachers that joke around like everyone else, but my best teachers in middle-high school knew where the line was. Its fun to joke with a class clown or a nerd that is willing to take it and joke back with you, but if a kid comes to you with visible scars telling you he tried to commit suicide? How dumb do you have to be to see that as a good time to tease the kid about it in front of all his asshole classmates?
i hate bees
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Ninja99 said:
No, thankyou. Why should I be considerate to some guy I don't know? Right to life - right to death. Enough people live and keep going *every day* in situations far worse than that kid will ever experience. Enough people die against their wishes in hellish circumstances... that expecting sympathy from some brat too stupid to see how damned lucky he is to be growing up in paradise is, frankly, pushing it.whitehawk said:
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