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[J2 Cool]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/team_america/

Not sure what to say.. But I believe in Matt and Trey. hehe. rhymed..

 

[ManDudeChild]

Old but funny.

 

[Willco]

We already posted this and the Bush administration's response in the last couple of days. Still a good trailer, though.

 

[BojTrek]

This type of movie is what the Thunderbirds fans were hoping for...

The preview does nothing for me without some dialogue... nothing is said until the end... I want to hear what type of humor is in the flick...

 

[Error Macro]

The Bush administration should be praising Stone and Parker for this movie. It's the closest thing to an anti-Farenheit 9/11 film that they're going to get.

 

[Willco]

The Bush administration should be praising Stone and Parker for this movie. It's the closest thing to an anti-Farenheit 9/11 film that they're going to get.

Except Matt and Tray never go after one demographic. The whole premise of TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE is kind of a slam against the right. They don't play favorites.

 

[Error Macro]

It's true that they don't go after one demographic, but from everything I've seen and read about this movie, it's going to have quite a bit more to say about the left than the right.

 

[Lord Error]

The Bush administration should be praising Stone and Parker for this movie. It's the closest thing to an anti-Farenheit 9/11 film that they're going to get.

You don't see the bitter sarcasm in their movies, do you? Or do you really believe that two guys that smart *really* think that Canada is to blame for everything (talking about South Park, of course)?

 

[Error Macro]

You don't see the bitter sarcasm in their movies, do you? Or do you really believe that two guys that smart *really* think that Canada is to blame for everything (talking about South Park, of course)?

Oh, please.

 

[Lord Error]

Oh, please what?

If anything, they deal their blows to both sides (and frankly, each side deserves them), just as they do in South Park, but their sarcastic slant is as clear as day.

 

[human5892]

It's true that they don't go after one demographic, but from everything I've seen and read about this movie, it's going to have quite a bit more to say about the left than the right.

I disagree -- if Parker and Stone have demonstated anything from their other works, it's that they usually slant way more to the left.

While this movie looks to indict both sides of the fence, I certainly wouldn't expect it to focus on liberals more than conversatives, and if anything, the opposite seems more likely (although from what I've read they're trying to make it about even).

 

[demon]

Oh, please, enlighten me.

South Park is ALWAYS sarcastic. If you ever take anything in South Park straight, at face-value, you don't fuckin get it. Whatever you see in South Park, they're mocking it. You really think this is any different? Did you really think the message of SP:B,L&C was "Canada's to blame for the ill's of our society"?

 

[Error Macro]

OH, PLEASE, AS IN OH PLEASE DON'T INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE LIKE THAT

For shit's sake. I'm a huge fan of South Park; I know what's going on. I agree that they routinely stick it to BOTH sides of the political fence, but I think they happen to have a mostly conservative stance on issues.

There is a difference between making Canada the butt of many, many, jokes, and tackling social issues in a subversive, yet serious, manner.

 

[Lord Error]

Exactly. They are, and have always been, against bullshit. It's as simple as that.

As it happens, both sides are so full of it, that it's very easy to mock them.

 

[Willco]

OH, PLEASE, AS IN OH PLEASE DON'T INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE LIKE THAT

For shit's sake. I'm a huge fan of South Park; I know what's going on. I agree that they routinely stick it to BOTH sides of the political fence, but I think they happen to have a mostly conservative stance on issues.

Yeah, I think they're pretty conservative as well, but I think this movie is a bit more even than usual.

 

[Error Macro]

Yeah, I think they're pretty conservative as well, but I think this movie is a bit more even than usual.

Could be. I guess we'll all find out in, what is it, October now?

 

[human5892]

...but I think they happen to have a mostly conservative stance on issues.

Muh?

Maybe you've seen some South Park episodes I haven't (I've seen many, but not all), because unless they're going after overly-tolerant hippies, they seem to skew to the left on almost every issue ("Big Gay Al" was one of their first episodes promoting tolerance of homosexuality...I don't think that's exactly a conservative viewpoint). The whole sarcastic message of the movie to "blame Canada" also seemed to me to be a dig at the conservatives.

As I said, though, admittedly I haven't seen every single South Park.

 

[levious]

you guys really need to label everyone huh?

 

[human5892]

you guys really need to label everyone huh?

If by "need to label" you mean "debate the agenda of two people in the entertainment business", you're absolutely correct.

 

[Willco]

I wouldn't label them completely conservative, I think their ideals are based more on realism and are pretty logical. I think they tend to lean more conservative than liberal, though, especially when it comes to their stance on retalliation on practically anything and everything.

I don't think they have an agenda, though. And I don't feel they shove their agendas down people's throats like Moore and O'Reilly, with the former being spoofed in the movie. They do call bullshit on both sides.

They are role models for young people everywhere!

 

[human5892]

I wouldn't label them completely conservative, I think their ideals are based more on realism and are pretty logical. I think they tend to lean more conservative than liberal, though, especially when it comes to their stance on retalliation on practically anything and everything.

I don't think they have an agenda, though. And I don't feel they shove their agendas down people's throats like Moore and O'Reilly, with the former being spoofed in the movie. They do call bullshit on both sides.

They are role models for young people everywhere!

I agree that they really don't have a definitive agenda, which is refreshing.

 

[Willco]

I agree that they really don't have a definitive agenda, which is refreshing.

There's only one problem with that and as much as I love the South Park movie, it's evident in that as well. They don't have a clear cut message other than, "Both sides need to stop being stupid you stupid a-holes," so sometimes their episodes/movies lack an overall theme and direction other than mocking both sides of an particular problem relevant to pop-culture.

 

[Azih]

Hah, I think it's pretty obvious that everybody in this thread who likes Southparke believes that Stone and Parker have the same political affiliation they do.

 

[Lord Error]

Hah, I think it's pretty obvious that everybody in this thread who likes Southparke believes that Stone and Parker have the same political affiliation they do.

Are we reading the same thread?

 

[Azih]

Well I'm guessing since I don't know the political affiliation of everybody in the thread. But I'm getting a "haha, Parker and Stone are geniusues, and I bet they believe the same things I do" vibe.

I may be wrong of course.

 

[deadhorse32]

Are we reading the same thread?

I'm reading the same thread than Azih

 

[Brian Fellows]

I'm so there.

 

[Error Macro]

Muh?

Maybe you've seen some South Park episodes I haven't (I've seen many, but not all), because unless they're going after overly-tolerant hippies, they seem to skew to the left on almost every issue ("Big Gay Al" was one of their first episodes promoting tolerance of homosexuality...I don't think that's exactly a conservative viewpoint). The whole sarcastic message of the movie to "blame Canada" also seemed to me to be a dig at the conservatives.

As I said, though, admittedly I haven't seen every single South Park.

Ah, yes, tolerance is one thing, but when people keep it to themselves. They rallied against self-promoting homosexuality in the episode "The Death Camp Of Tolerance."

Also, I definitely do not believe that Stone and Parker have the same political stance as me, I was merely making the observation that they seem to be mostly moderately conservative.

 

[levious]

I'd bet they don't even agree between themselve... other than they hatred for most everyone.

 

[LuckyBrand]

Trey and Matt both slant to the right heavily, they make fun of both sides, but generally the major point to their shows/stories are making fun of the left...

some examples:

-episode making fun of metrosexuals
-episode making fun of barbra streisand and hollywood liberals always trying to push their agenda on people (many episodes like this)
-episode on elian gonzalez making fun of clinton dept/janet reno's reaction
-episode on the recount of 2000 making fun of the liberal leftists trying to push their agenda on middle america
-episode on "tolerance" events such as the nurse that had the thing on her head, the liberals went out of their way to make her feel "accepted' instead of just letting her be

they definately lean to the right, but in their own way... i believe the term for many young republicans that share this ideology is "south park republicans"..


read this:
http://www.techcentralstation.com/100702A.html

 

[explodet]

"I have two guests with me who have opposing views on the matter. On my right is Pissed-Off White Trash Redneck Conservative. And on my left is Aging Hippie Liberal Douche."

 

[LuckyBrand]

"I have two guests with me who have opposing views on the matter. On my right is Pissed-Off White Trash Redneck Conservative. And on my left is Aging Hippie Liberal Douche."

yah they brought on a new liberal writer a year ago to help make the show more balanced in its trashing of right wing cliches.. but generally the message or point of the show is still right leaning.

 

[explodet]

Trey and Matt are more interested in bashing celebrities than they are with any right-wing or left-wing agenda. They hate Barbara Streisand - the fact that she's a Democrat probably has very little to do with that.

They poked fun at Jared the Subway guy, John Edwards (that Crossing Over guy), the entire Mormon religion, Congressman Condit, and ESPECIALLY Mel Gibson. I don't see any left-wing or right-wing issue with that.

Not EVERYTHING they do is politicized.

 

[TekunoRobby]

The Bush administration should be praising Stone and Parker for this movie. It's the closest thing to an anti-Farenheit 9/11 film that they're going to get.

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

Contrary to its title, Michael Moore Hates America isn’t a hatchet job on the filmmaker. It’s a journey across the nation where we meet celebrities, scholars and average folks alike, and we find out whether the American Dream is still alive! In the process, we’ll look at Michael Moore’s claims about the country, its people, and our way of life.

Very sorry if old!

 

[Spiritreaver]

Political labels are funny, especially when majority of people don't fit under one certain label. This is like kindergarten name calling.

This type of movie is what the Thunderbirds fans were hoping for...

Please elaborate, other than the marionettes I don't see how this can be related to Thunderbirds at all. The amount of political commentary in that was far from overabundant.

 

[teh_pwn]

I wouldn't label them as liberal or conservative.

Sometimes they do seem liberal. Then you see episodes where christopher reed cracks fetuses and snorts them to regain his strength.

 

[explodet]

http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/movies/mmx-0408100356aug11,0,696346.story?coll=mmx-movies_heds

Team America is being criticized as yet another broadside against U.S. President George W. Bush from Hollywood liberals. But a key conceit of the Paramount Pictures movie, which is essentially an action film made with sophisticated marionettes visiting exotic locations, is that it depicts left-leaning show business élites as selfish and superficial.

Among the many prominent activists who may be shown in a less-than-flattering Team America light are Ben Affleck and Fahrenheit 9/11 filmmaker Michael Moore. Says Parker: "We only went after people who at least invited it."

The movie also spoofs many action-film conventions, from editing to dialogue, established and perfected by Jerry Bruckheimer, the producer of such blockbusters as Con Air, The Rock and Armageddon.

"The joke of this movie," says Stone, "is that it's a big, dumb Bruckheimer movie, done with puppets."

... the Wall Street Journal reported the conservative group Move America Forward was also blasting Team America sight unseen. The group's chairman was quoted as saying it would have been "inconceivable" for filmmakers to have spoofed the Nazis during World War II.

"That's totally ridiculous and absolutely, historically wrong," says Stone, noting that wartime cartoons had Bugs Bunny battling the Germans and Japanese. "It's what everybody did."

 

[human5892]

It's interesting that although the movie straddles the fence, it is some of the conversatives who are reacting so strongly to it -- without having seen it!

Perhaps they can't take a joke as well as the liberals?

 

[Kon Tiki]

The group's chairman was quoted as saying it would have been "inconceivable" for filmmakers to have spoofed the Nazis during World War II

I do not get it. Is he saying the Bush administration are the Nazis of today?

 

[Prospero]

South Park seems to me to have more of a libertarian viewpoint than either strictly iberal or conservative (though the show would seem to lean more conservative as a consequence). The show definitely isn't as liberal as The Simpsons, though.

 

[explodet]

I do not get it. Is he saying the Bush administration are the Nazis of today?

I believe that critic is saying terrorists are the Nazis of today, and that they shouldn't be spoofed.

 

[Kon Tiki]

I believe that critic is saying terrorists are the Nazis of today, and that they shouldn't be spoofed.

Thats what I said.

 

[human5892]

South Park seems to me to have more of a libertarian viewpoint than either strictly iberal or conservative (though the show would seem to lean more conservative as a consequence). The show definitely isn't as liberal as The Simpsons, though.

Since the time where I initially postulated that it was more of a liberal show (see a few posts up), I have actually come to a similar conclusion -- that the writers could be classified as more libertarian (in the classical sense of the word, not the new "neo-conservative" defintion it seems to be taking on these days) -- thanks to seeing a few additional episodes as well as thinking over some of the comments from other people on the boards. So yeah, I agree.

 

[Hitokage]

I also agree they tend more libertarian than anything else, which gives us the current situation of people mistaking aspects of it for their own ideology.

yah they brought on a new liberal writer a year ago to help make the show more balanced in its trashing of right wing cliches.. but generally the message or point of the show is still right leaning.

Trey Parker has ALWAYS had final say in what goes into an episode. Even though there is a writing "team", creative control is his.

 

[SlickWilly223]

Matt and Trey produced a movie called "How's Your News." It's pretty much a movie that has mentally challenged people interviewing city folk on the street and in bars.

I don't know what to think about that movie.



Team America looks funny though.

 

[LuckyBrand]

Trey Parker has ALWAYS had final say in what goes into an episode. Even though there is a writing "team", creative control is his.

yes i know.

 

[Error Macro]

Came across this quote in reference to "That's My Bush":

Parker and Stone, who claim their template for the sitcom is The Dick Van Dyke Show, say it's ironic that they're getting so much flak, because they're both Republicans and--believe it or not--they don't plan on ridiculing Bush.

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,7756,00.html?newsrellink

 

[LakeEarth]

Came across this quote in reference to "That's My Bush":

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,7756,00.html?newsrellink

I know, if any of these republicans actually watched South Park (not that I'd want my government leaders to watch somthing likt that), they'd know what side the creators were. An episode where the people who make cigarrettes are heroes and the ones who try to get them banned are evil? An episode where they had Bill O'Reiley in it and barely even tried to make fun of him? Aging Hippie Liberal Douche!!?! Come on!

 

[Drinky Crow]

Given that the title mocks the jingoistic patriotism of your average conservative shitheel, exactly how Republican-friendly can it be?

Hito's right: Parker/Stone are largely libertarian, although I believe they had a go at Ayn Rand once. Then again, if you're truly libertarian, even your own beliefs are fair game for criticism. They take issue with any dogmatic type, be they silly patriots, insane racists, self-loathing homophobes, nutty Fundamentalists, PC-spewing lefty social critics, self-important talking heads, and mealy-mouthed celebrities with pet causes.

 

[explodet]

Hito's right: Parker/Stone are largely libertarian, although I believe they had a go at Ayn Rand once.

A freshly literate Officer Barbrady:

"I'd like to say that reading totally sucks ass! Yes, at first I was happy to be learning how to read, it seemed exciting and magical. But then I read this: "Atlus Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of shit, I'm never reading again!"