Ted Cruz's plan to sink Marco Rubio in Florida

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Cruz is the only republican who can beat Trump. Rubio has failed to catch on despite the media and GOP establishment trying their hardest to help him. He has a pretty weak organization in his home state and is going to lose it regardless of what Cruz does. Meanwhile Cruz has money and grassroots support...I'm not saying he will best Trump but no one else in the race has a better shot.

The base clearly doesn't want an establishment candidate who tried to pass immigration reform
 
The thing is that Cruz is just as anti-establishment as Trump is, just in different ways. There's a reason he has no friends.
 
Basically he's fucking crazy and those are the people you should be afraid of.

What's impressive is that he is so crazy and such an incredible douchebag that the Republicans, the party of crazy douchebags, doesn't want anything to do with him. That's no small feat. Ted Cruz is literally nuclear waste, I don't understand how he even got elected or re-elected.
 

Miletius

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Cruz is pretty transparent about not giving two fucks what the establishment says. I'd expect no less, honestly. He is completely transparent about not caring about anything other than himself. 100 percent a sociopath, right there. Personally I see Cruz as just as big, if not a bigger scumbag, than Trump.
 

GnawtyDog

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With the rumor of Rubiocon running for the Senate...hell nah..

I am actually rooting for him to squeak a win in Florida and have a deathwatch in the convention.

Not only does Florida need that seat, the country needs it.
 

Sean C

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With the rumor of Rubiocon running for the Senate...hell nah..

I am actually rooting for him to squeak a win in Florida and have a deathwatch in the convention.

Not only does Florida need that seat, the country needs it.
At this point Rubio could not easily re-enter the Senate race and be sure of the nomination. He's damaged, and other candidates have been running for some time and would not step aside easily for him.
 
But would the RNC choose Cruz in a contested convention? They don't like him, either.

Because there's at least a slim sliver of a chance that he could beat Trump one on one, whereas there's zero chance the RNC picks his pompous, self-aggrandizing ass in a contested convention.

Yep.

Contested convention doesn't favor Cruz at all. They'd more likely choose Kasich or Romney than they would Theodore in a back room deal.

Ted's only path to the Presidency is somehow getting Rubio completely out of the race and forcing the voters to choose the lesser of two evils between him and Trump (I would argue that Cruz is not actually the lesser of those two particular evils but that's another thread), because the party brass sure as hell isn't picking his ass.


Sucks for the GOP tho because there's no chance Cruz beats Trump one on one either. He's just accelerating their demise
 
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Oh Ted... what are you going to do when it becomes undeniable that you aren't getting the nomination?

I just hope someone has a camera on him when it happens. He is completely devout in his belief that he will be the next *President*. When he fails to even get the nomination (and he will)... he's going to have a rough time.
 
My first thought when I read the thread title was

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Ether_Snake

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Why would he do this?

He needs Rubio to win Florida in order to force a contested convention.

Cruz rejects contested convention, warning of revolt

Ted Cruz flatly rejected the idea of a contested convention on Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference, warning that it would lead to a "manifest revolt" against Republican establishment figures who have floated the idea as a last-ditch vehicle to stop front-runner Donald Trump.

At a question-and-answer session with Fox News host Sean Hannity, the Texas senator said Trump must be defeated at the ballot box.

"Any time you hear someone talking about a brokered convention it is the Washington establishment in a fevered frenzy. They're really frustrated because all of their chosen candidates, all of their golden children, the voters keep rejecting. And so they seized on this master plan," Cruz said mockingly at the conference in Maryland. "We go to a brokered convention and the D.C. power brokers will drop someone in who is exactly to the liking of the Washington establishment. If that happens we will have a manifest revolt on our hands."

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"If we want to defeat Donald Trump, we cannot turn to the establishment once again and ask them to guide the citizenry to the right answer," she said in prepared remarks. "If we want defeat Donald Trump, we must defeat him at the ballot box, by offering citizens conservative solutions to the problems in their lives."

Also on Friday, Cruz revealed that he has opened up 10 offices in Florida this week, a late play in a state that is increasingly seen as a must-win for Senator Marco Rubio. The offices will be in Pensacola, Jacksonville, Tampa, Umatilla, Rockledge, Lakeland, Fort Myers, Naples, Boca Raton and Miami.

Cruz doesn't want a contested convention, so he's trying to take out Rubio to make that impossible.
 
On the other hand, Cruz is only 44? Time is on his side. I think Rubio is done after this campaign but Cruz has real conservative cred. He will be back.

Rubio has a brighter future than Cruz. If Rubio loses in the primary, he'll run for Florida governor in 2018. If a Democratic president is reelected in 2020, Rubio will make his run in 2024. At that point, he'll have twelve years of experience as a Senator and governor.
 

John Dunbar

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republican debate featuring rubio and trump after rubio has lost florida is the stuff dreams are made of.
 

Tom_Cody

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This is such a gamble for Cruz. Florida is an expensive state, and he has virtually zero chance of getting any delegates (it's winner take all) for the dollars he's spending there.

That said, Rubio has put himself in an absolutely terrible position. He already decided not to run for senate this fall, and a loss to Trump in his home state could cripple his chances to eventually run for governor. If/when he loses Florida, he will be a former rising star with no political prospects. Further, unlike Cruz in Texas or Kasich in Ohio, Rubio doesn't have the consolidated support of his state party. He burned a lot of bridges when he decided to run in the same cycle as his mentor (Jeb!).

Based on this, maybe Cruz is trying to force Rubio's hand to get him to drop out before the Florida vote even occurs? As it stands, Rubio is on track for a humiliating defeat on March 15th.


Also this:
I feel like Ted's playing the long game here. The man doesn't care how long it takes to get power as long as he gets it eventually.

He knows that A. Trump can't win and B. Whoever wins the brokered convention can't win because Trump will take them down with him.

So his plan is to come in a commanding second place and use "the GOP didn't pick me at the brokered convention. I was the one who handed the Donald the most losses and am most able to lead this party forward" to instantly place his claim in 2020 whether the establishment likes it or not.

On the other hand, Cruz is only 44? Time is on his side. I think Rubio is done after this campaign but Cruz has real conservative cred. He will be back.
In the aftermath of Super Tuesday, Cruz has cemented himself as the clear second place finisher and the leading conservative alternative to Trump in the party. He really has nothing to lose at this point. He can get out whenever he wants and he'll still be in a great position to win re-election to his senate seat, run for governor eventually, or run for president again in the next cycle.
 
Rubio has a brighter future than Cruz. If Rubio loses in the primary, he'll run for Florida governor in 2018. If a Democratic president is reelected in 2020, Rubio will make his run in 2024. At that point, he'll have twelve years of experience as a Senator and governor.

Rubio won't become governor of Florida lol
 

Touchdown

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So the plan now is for a brokered convention and either Cruz, Rubio, or Kasich hoping the party leaders pick them for the nomination? This shiz is crazy.
 
My only thought is that GOP is desperate enough for #AnyoneButTrump so getting Rubio out the way means Cruz hopes Trump sinks himself and is betting on Trump's low second choice numbers. Besides he's the only one with enough delegates to currently overtake Trump if he tanks.
 

Sean C

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Rubio has a brighter future than Cruz. If Rubio loses in the primary, he'll run for Florida governor in 2018. If a Democratic president is reelected in 2020, Rubio will make his run in 2024. At that point, he'll have twelve years of experience as a Senator and governor.
Rubio's political career will not recover from a presidential run this disastrous, certainly not to the point of being a presidential contender again.
 

Kusagari

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Rubio has a brighter future than Cruz. If Rubio loses in the primary, he'll run for Florida governor in 2018. If a Democratic president is reelected in 2020, Rubio will make his run in 2024. At that point, he'll have twelve years of experience as a Senator and governor.

The Florida Republican bench is huge with a ton of big names waiting in the wings. Putnam, the Florida commissioner of agriculture, is already raising money for 2018 and Bondi/Atwater can jump in as well.

None of them will move aside for a damaged Rubio that couldn't even win Florida.
 
Rubio's political career will not recover from a presidential run this disastrous, certainly not to the point of being a presidential contender again.

this is correct.

Rubio's Senate term ends and he has not put up his name yet.

He is losing his home State in the polls to a New York City Yankee.

He has only won 1 state out of 18 thus far, likely to lose his home state.

Underperformed despite being the establishment favorite.

His career is over if he fails to recapture his Senate seat.
 
So is ted's end game to destroy the GOP and create a new right wing party?

or save the Tea Party faction from losing their Congressional seats

the intelligentsia believe that Donald would do more harm to the down-ticket than Cruz.

If they are to lose the White House again, they still want to hold on to their majority in the House
 
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