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[DJPS2]

This case is yet another example of the stunning lack of personal responsibility here in the US.

If parents decide to step in because they think that their children "don't know any better" at the age of 17, then hope is all but lost.

Of course it's not her fault... she must have been drugged, or threatened at gunpoint... or worse. She'd never consent to being photographed in that manner, right, Mr. & Mrs. "Concerned" Parent? She can't think for herself... she's only 17.

Fact: Here in the US, nothing is anyone's fault anymore. I can drop a lamp on the ground and break it, but not really have done it. Something else was behind it. Maybe it's all those games I play... or that rap music on the radio... or MTV...

Pathetic.

 

[bishoptl]

The game is a piece of shit anyways.

 

[missAran]

...thinks is should be enforced.... umm could you repeat that in English so I can decide whether to make fun or you or not?

Thanks.

I thought it was in English... ?

 

[mosaic]

Those of us that actually "played" it ought to be able to sue for mental stress, fraud, and a whole host of other things. Good lord I can't believe I rented it and gave it a couple hours of my life.

I don't care why the girl filed suit; just happy she did, because it might get a crummy "game" off the shelves. The developers deserve jail time for actually finding a way to make titties boring and tedious.

 

[marsomega]

I have no problem with this lawsuit and I think it should be enforced.

Enforced....pfft

I think we would all be in for a laugh when you would in the same position trying to defend yourself from a lawsuit filed by someone who went out of their way to trick you and succeded.

Yes, in that case lets "enforce it" starting with you. How can I fool you today and milk you for money? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Those of us that actually "played" it ought to be able to sue for mental stress, fraud, and a whole host of other things. Good lord I can't believe I rented it and gave it a couple hours of my life.....

The developers deserve jail time for actually finding a way to make titties boring and tedious.

That I agree with. BMX XXX anyone?

 

[akascream]

How can I fool you today and milk you for money?

Hehe, milk her for money. Good one.

 

[swoon]

This case is yet another example of the stunning lack of personal responsibility here in the US.

If parents decide to step in because they think that their children "don't know any better" at the age of 17, then hope is all but lost.

Of course it's not her fault... she must have been drugged, or threatened at gunpoint... or worse. She'd never consent to being photographed in that manner, right, Mr. & Mrs. "Concerned" Parent? She can't think for herself... she's only 17.

Fact: Here in the US, nothing is anyone's fault anymore. I can drop a lamp on the ground and break it, but not really have done it. Something else was behind it. Maybe it's all those games I play... or that rap music on the radio... or MTV...

Pathetic.

um.

 

[marsomega]

Hehe, milk her for money. Good one.

:lol Talk about unintended.


FIXED.

Yes, in that case lets "enforce it" starting with you. How can I fool you today and sue you for money? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[paul777]

No, it's a contract. By your logic, if she bought a car and signed the contract at 17, she can return the car a year later because the contract is null and void. This isn't some 12 year old who doesn't understand what's going on. She's old enough to drive, a year from voting and could be tried as an adult if she ever did anything wrong.

Any contract a minor enters into is voidable by the minor. Of course, if she lied about here age, Topheavy Studios could sue her for fraud. That depends on the state, though.

 

[Duck of Death]

Wow, some people here really hate the game. When I played it, I thought it was decent. Simple trivia stuff and one fun mini-game (the ball game that's basically skeeball). A couple cute girls in there. Good enough for a rental.

 

[vireland]

Is it time to buy multiple copies of the game for eBay sale a few years from now?

Mmmm, not unless you want to risk be a registered sex offender for distributing child porn. (If the case bears out and turns criminal)

Regardless of whether or not she was "of age," a person of 17 is still capable of making adult decisions and she CHOSE to be in this production. The fact that she possibly LIED to be in this game wouldn't make her case any more sympathetic. After all, how do we know that the lawsuit wasn't planned from the start?

Wrong answer. See: Tracy Lords. Made an adult decision to be in adult films at, what? 15? 16? Went public that she lied when she was 18 or 19 (pornheads, help me out here!), and POOF, all her movies became child porn and criminal to possess, erasing most of her onscreen past for all practical purposes.

Be interesting to see if this turns into a criminal complaint, and what the details are, but this can be pretty bad for all involved depending on how it shakes out.

 

[fobtastic]

I do believe that nudity and pornography are two entirely different things. As you were...

 

[missAran]

Without any legislation, I think developers should, by definition, have some sort of decency. They need to sensitive to certain things, in my opinion; which means not making overly violent games (like GTA) or games littered with sexual stuff. Profits shouldn't always be a developer's number one goal; the influence of their game and the message it's delivering are all more important things.

 

[DJPS2]

Without any legislation, I think developers should, by definition, have some sort of decency. They need to sensitive to certain things, in my opinion; which means not making overly violent games (like GTA) or games littered with sexual stuff. Profits shouldn't always be a developer's number one goal; the influence of their game and the message it's delivering are all more important things.

So... they should censor themselves? To hell with freedom of expression. I mean, yeah... you can put excessive violence or sexual content in your games, but we think that game developers should know better. :lol :lol :lol :lol

Political correctness. You've gotta love it.

 

[Duck of Death]

So... they should censor themselves? To hell with freedom of expression. I mean, yeah... you can put excessive violence or sexual content in your games, but we think that game developers should know better. :lol :lol :lol :lol

Political correctness. You've gotta love it.

It's not as crazy as it sounds. The film industry, for example, censors itself.

I'm not sure how the ESRB works. It is run by a party created by the video game companies, correct?

 

[DJPS2]

It's not as crazy as it sounds. The film industry, for example, censors itself.

I'm not sure how the ESRB works. It is run by a party created by the video game companies, correct?

And yet we've seen some pretty questionable content in movies-- but gaming is still the scapegoat. Movies have nudity and sexual themes... excessive violence... more expletives than you can shake a stick at... but they're not the problem, apparently.

Don't even get me started on the trash that is today's popular music scene.

Why are we holding video games to a higher morality standard?

 

[Duck of Death]

And yet we've seen some pretty questionable content in movies-- but gaming is still the scapegoat. Movies have nudity and sexual themes... excessive violence... more expletives than you can shake a stick at... but they're not the problem, apparently.

Don't even get me started on the trash that is today's popular music scene.

Why are we holding video games to a higher morality standard?

We see "questionable" content in films NOW, but when films were in the state gaming is in now (when instrumentalists were HOUNDING the industry in the 1930s), the situation was much different. Gaming has become a huge form of entertainment for young adults, and instrumentalists are trying to suppress the "villainy."

I don't agree with the philosphy of instrumentalists, nor do I believe that video games need to be held to a higher moral standard. But when you have games like JFK Reloaded, BMX XXX, and The Guy Game you'd think the industry would take stronger self-censorship measures to make sure the government doesn't sponser state censorship. That would be an awful turn of events.

That is why I'm curious as to how the ESRB works and whether or not it is sufficient for the industry.

By the way, JFK Reloaded might be the guiltiest pleasure of the year. :lol

 

[jarrod]

That I agree with... but it's a f'n HUGE reach to include Sony and MS in the lawsuit.

The game had to clear their concpet approval process though. They greenlighted it's release on their propietary platforms and receive royalties directly from it's sale. It'd be different if PS2 and Xbox were open standards, but both SCEA and MGS actively control content on their platforms.

 

[u_neek]

And Americans are still in coma after Janet Jackson's boob incident..

In Europe, people would just laugh and think "Well, what the fuck"...

 

[vireland]

I do believe that nudity and pornography are two entirely different things. As you were...

Not for minors, and not in the US. I was watching a show on TV last week where the chest of a topless 6 year old girl was blurred out for god's sake! I was wondering what the conversation about that was like in the editing room. Way, way too far, but there are sickos out there that do get off on that kind of thing.

Anyway, for all practical purposes underage teen nudity=child porn, at least in the US - and that's where the complaint was filed, the game was released, and it will be decided.

 

[Wuster]

I get tired of the moral superiorty angle of "In X this is not a big deal. Get over it" etc. etc. etc. :: I'm sure the Americans could say something similar that another culture has a problem with.

It's a cultural issue. Every culture has its quirks. North America has been historically been socially more conservative when it comes to nudity. In Japan, male and female nudity is no big deal. Mangas and animations aimed and youth audience routinly feature animated nudity, including highly suggestive poses of nude 'children' characters.

But that is Japan, not America.

American culture has many traits I admire that is lacking in Japan and many countries around the world and its social conservatism isn't a big deal with me. I'm not left wing hippie anyways.

 

[Kobun Heat]

Nipples != pornography. Olivia Hussey was 15 when she played Juliet. OMG MY ENGLISH TEACHER SHOWED US CHILD PORNOGRAPHY I AM TEH SCARRED

 

[NichM]

I'd just like to take this opportunity to vindictively borrow a line from my good friend DFS:
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW.

 

[FortNinety]

Not for minors, and not in the US. I was watching a show on TV last week where the chest of a topless 6 year old girl was blurred out for god's sake!

Did you tape it? If so, PM please.

 

[border]

In Japan, male and female nudity is no big deal. Mangas and animations aimed and youth audience routinly feature animated nudity, including highly suggestive poses of nude 'children' characters.

What? Japan is the country where they have to blur out or put black bars over even drawn pictures of genitalia....even in pornography that's intended for adults. I always loved how their society approved of porn that reveled in the torture, humiliation, and simulated rape of women......but an exposed penis would be too much!

 

[explodet]

I'd just like to take this opportunity to vindictively borrow a line from my good friend DFS:
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW.

Ha! I totally forgot about the Spangenburg angle.
That kicks this story up a notch.

 

[Bog]

B0ris?

 

[michael000]

What? Japan is the country where they have to blur out or put black bars over even drawn pictures of genitalia....even in pornography that's intended for adults. I always loved how their society approved of porn that reveled in the torture, humiliation, and simulated rape of women......but an exposed penis would be too much!

Lol this always made me laugh myself. We as American's are appalled apparently by the slightest infringement on "family values" yet as far as porn goes we go unchecked short of snuff films and child porn. The japanese have no problem with the prior mentioned rape, mutilation, child porn, incest etc yet you show anything south of the border and you get black bars and mosiacs lol, in fact you can't even say words like d*ck or p*ssy without it being bleeped out. Glad i'm not the only one who sees the irony in this. If we could all be as advanced as the Euro nations when it comes to things such as *gasp* sexuality.

 

[etiolate]

If you go on spring break, all laws regarding your nudity should be null and void. You know what people do, you know what you are escaping personal responsibility to do there. Shutup and deal with it.

Also, HAHA at dumbass game getting owned for underage titties.

 

[Ozchin]

I hope that chicks gets counter-sued for indecent exposure, disordely conduct, and accessory to child pornography. :lol