DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Looks great. Will be buying all three of the big fighters.
HighPoly
Banned
this month I'm gonna buying MK1 Deluxe, then next year will depends on what is comming first!
I mean, DBZ Tenkaichi 4 ou TEKKEN8
March Climber
Member
The only thing Tekken 8 needs to slightly tweak is it's lighting and level geometry. The character models look great. The effects look great. The stages look very flat however and part of it is the geometry and part of it is the lighting.
The levels and backgrounds I've seen, besides the city one, don't give me that same sense of spectacle excitement like this one:
This level is simple but it's strikingly beautiful.
Or like this one in Soul Calibur(also by Namco) where you're fighting in the middle of a ship battle and some of them are on fire.
Maybe they're saving the best stuff for release though.
The levels and backgrounds I've seen, besides the city one, don't give me that same sense of spectacle excitement like this one:
This level is simple but it's strikingly beautiful.
Or like this one in Soul Calibur(also by Namco) where you're fighting in the middle of a ship battle and some of them are on fire.
Maybe they're saving the best stuff for release though.
They will have to be.
Crispy Gamer
Member
This is one hell of a year in gaming
MiguelItUp
Member
How so? Honest question. The last Tekken I was super into was 5, so, I don't have the best gauge of everything in 6 and 7. But from what I've seen, it.... looked like more Tekken.
I was honestly feeling more hyped about this one than I did 6 and 7, maybe because of the fighting game IP resurgence? I don't know.
March Climber
Member
You're a brave soul for mentioning Tekken 4.
But I agree and I miss what Tekken 4 attempted to do. It could have been refined better but fans complained too much before that could happen.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I dont see much problem with its art style. you could argue in SF6 they are making face more realistic while keeping the exaggerated body which can be off to some people but in Tekken 8 the faces still very stylized and matches exaggerated clothing and body.
Captain Toad
Banned
Rift Apart looks better than Toy Story, too.
HighPoly
Banned
You made me remember that in some areas developers prefer to do a little bit worse things, than they really are able to do, or the machine could do.
Remember Crash Remake and Spyro Remake, they are extremelly worse than Ratchet Clank Remake, and this is not a kind of Hardware gap.
Sometimes that's like an artistic choice from developers. I mean, the CGi from 2000's are also so poligonal and cubic edges... But stills beautiful ! ! !
I don't know what to think about a Tekken with perfect and realistic elements, cause the game is more like a 3D Anime.
Well, MORTAL KOMBAT is a totally diferent thing, cause they were pushing Realism since the starting MK1, with real character models pre rendered.
MK is the most realistic Fighting Game ever, and really! I can't even imagine how beautiful MK1 will look like!!! Could you??
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HighPoly
Banned
SURE my friend, Rift Apart has ray tracing, and Toy Story 1995 has rasterization or pre rendered lighting and shadows as you prefer to say.
Another important thing about Ratchet are all those high res textures...
HighPoly
Banned
people are confused about that because they didn't consider the fact that technical assests are diferent from what you see in a final product.So have we surpassed T1 CGI yet? Most here will say... no
Example: Take Rift Apart and compare to TS1, it's obviously that Rift Apart is prettier than TS1. But if you take only the technical aspect you may find some higher and complex elements in the movie, even today.
March Climber
Member
It wasn't just the art style. Look at what was happening with those stages I've posted. The grass is blowing with the wind. The moon looks like it's almost causing a hero lighting effect. For the SC stage arrows are being fired on the boat. You see the waves crashing against the ship. It all feels alive and dynamic. And this is me comparing Namco to Namco so that no one can say I'm being unfair. Older Tekken games and SC games had dynamic stages even if you fought in a simple library. This combined with the dynamic up close swaying camera and art style, like you've stated, it felt like you were watching an anime OVA. The camera has been pulled back since then and while it's still dynamic it is that to a lesser effect. The stages are part of that reason. A flat sandy ground might as well be the same as that flat metallic ground.
Like you've said about Spyro and Crash, they worked within limitations back then so they would do these little things to make the games feel cool and exciting. Now it feels like they are letting the technology speak for itself and are worried less with those types of things, not realizing those things added that cool factor.
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HighPoly
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understood, well I hope them fix those problems till 2024.
is this game a 2024 launch?
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
You've got to be kidding me.
Ah well I know exactly what this is. Nostalgia.
HighPoly
Banned
yes, some characters are better in that CGi, but there are some thing we surpassed and another we didn't
but take as a comparison for example what level graphic the next MK1 will reach!!!!
or even games we've seen like Gears 5, Red Dead 2 on PC max settings or Forbidden West
The Fartist
Gold Member
We Tekken PS2 CG intro grafx now, boys.
HighPoly
Banned
jesus hahaha
Raonak
Banned
I've been noticing the same with a lot of games this generation.
Even with direct feed 4K videos and such, trailers still miss all the microdetail and fluidity of the real game.
Dirk Benedict
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AlteredForms
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You sound like a 12 year old child and judging from that comment tone and avatar I feel as though I'm right. In fact, this entire thread is absolutely childish. I mean of course a game in 2023 is going to be prettier than one from 2001. Anyway, the best Tekken CGI movie is from Tekken 2 and absolutely nothing comes close to it:
HighPoly
Banned
exageration if you consider the movie has more poligon, enough to render cloth physics and hair physics, but in terms of art, yeah, sure, we're running the same level graphics
but I still thinking we're gonna reach all those levels at the ending of this generation, like the next Uncharted or Last of Us 3
NeverYouMind
Member
I agree. The cinematic and thematic direction is superior even with archaic CGI. The sound direction is also peak Tekken. It is too bad the gameplay itself does not have the same fidelity.
P.S. In modern Tekken I do not like the generic bodybuilder male physique and generic model female physique. I also do not like the sound design, fireworks, and broken flow of combat.
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Puscifer
Member
To me since 6 the visuals started to look overly designed and layered and the character models looking super chunky, like they're ripped from gears of war or something.
Sure the gameplay has definitely improved for sure but it isn't the most pleasant to look at.
Moonlit wilderness singlehandedly looks better than any stage in 6 or 7
The gameplay was reboot territory and dint fit, but it was ballsy and I'll give it that. Scaling back to 5 felt like Tekken 3-2 and it was awesome.
The art style, though, I felt was the best in the series and only got better with 5... Then 6 happened and the series just got ugly and I'm more than willing to concede that maybe I just don't get what they're going for but I'm not feeling it personally.
Everyone's face looks like they're on roids and Law is the worst character model I've seen so far. He looks like a drug addict vs the Bruce Lee inspiration he was till 6. I don't mind exaggeration but it's too far in a certain direction.
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NeverYouMind
Member
I loved the gameplay design and art direction in Tekken 4, it just needed more refined balancing and more extensive move properties.
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So much this. Yes, the character models are amazing. The lighting and level geometry need a lot of work. Numerous stages feel completely flat (and that's where SF6 wins by a mile... well, at least right now). I seriously hope the final game will have a more advanced lighting system.
NeverYouMind
Member
Modern Tekken has basic wall break transitions and floor break transitions implemented in select stages with bound effect after. Not on DoA's level.
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Azurro
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the_master
Wants his tomb raided
Shame it looks so Unreal engine Though
Also, lighting and poly count is not there yet, while detail, texture and fx are way better
Also, lighting and poly count is not there yet, while detail, texture and fx are way better
sncvsrtoip
Member
Still looks worse than mk11
Alan Silvestro
Member
It is not a question of graphics from a technical point of view. It is normal that today's hardware is more powerful and allows effects and polygon counting that were unthinkable before. It's rather a question of 'graphic style', and Tekken 8 is far too 'boorish' in this respect, but in a negative sense unfortunately. Overdressed characters, all overly massive, special effects and on-screen sparks covering everything... It can be done better!
Jack Videogames
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SSfox
Member
Wall breaks, Floor breaks and Balcony break. There's also time transitions in some stages i think. In Tekken 6 there is stage where there is real time eclipse.
Draxon Gamer
Banned
People should watch those on an actual PS2, which didn't have the best video output player.
NeverYouMind
Member
Somehow, PS2's Gran Turismo 4 displayed 1080i signal and watching those custscenes on a CRT is still great.
