Hmmm......I'm jumping from a Panasonic plasma to a LG C6 and using 4k HDR from netflix/Amazon streaming and Xbox one S blu rays.
I've watched films like Pacific rim and the Martian and mad max and yeh it looks beautiful. But I can't remember what it looked like before HDR! Lol
Planet Earth 2 doesn't blow me away either. The TV is definitely in HDR mode as it changes to HDR Vivid/Bright/Dark modes.
I wonder if there's a quick test I can do but the tv has to restart whenever I turn HDR on or off so I can't flick between the two.
Of course this will differ from person to person, but no, they are not "pure BS". It's a very simple logical fact that beyond a certain distance vs screen size you will not be able to tell the difference. 12 feet from a 55"? Perhaps noticeable, but not significantly so. Like, is it worth the upgrade at that distance? It may be. What about 15 feet? 20? There is a point where there is no discernable difference anymore. And to get the full benefit of all those pixels you need to be quite a bit closer than that.
Anyone use the Xbox one media remote and like it? I'm getting annoyed using the xbox controller playing 4k movies with its onscreen interface and am looking at picking up a remote instead.
6ft may be some theoretical sweet spot for someone with perfect vision, under perfect lighting conditions...
Anyone use the Xbox one media remote and like it? I'm getting annoyed using the xbox controller playing 4k movies with its onscreen interface and am looking at picking up a remote instead.
Doesn't that imply that someone without a perfect vision need to sit even closer than 6ft to see all the benefits from a 4k television? :3
Pure BS may be hyperbole, and of course there is a distance when the difference can't be discerned, but for almost everyone here, its damn near the truth...especially in the situation that is currently being discussed which is someone thinking of buying a 65" 4k set....
I'm sorry, but the difference between 6ft, and even out to 10ft if his rooms size allowed it, is not going to diminish his enjoyment, or the upgrade from 1080p to 4k...6ft may be some theoretical sweet spot for someone with perfect vision, under perfect lighting conditions...but the guy is debating whether or not he should move his couch every time the content he watches switches resolution and we're dealing with the difference of a few feet here...THAT is where these charts become BS...
Yes, if you're sitting 20ft from a 55" TV, you should either sit closer, or get something bigger...but the difference on a 65" 4k set when you're talking 6ft out to maybe 10ft? Nah bro, no big deal...
Are you saying this from experience, because my experience says I can and I don't have 20/20 vision. I don't need a chart to tell me what my (and others) eyes see in front of them.
Hey, I'm all for buying the biggest TV you can but my opinion is that sitting too close (or having a TV too big) is worse than sitting too far away. Some people may want the TV to fill their field of view, but I'm not one of those unless I'm specifically watching a movie.
This is from THX.com. One would think they would know what they are talking about. Don't get me wrong, I would like to be proven wrong that I shouldn't sit more than 6.5ft from the TV..
"The rules are a bit different for 4K or UHD sets. The images on these TVs are so detailed that you can sit very close without your eyes getting tired. Take a look at the chart below to find your ideal screen size. Youre welcome to sit further away, of course, but youll be missing out on some of the detail youve paid for."
check out the page and the chart..
http://www.thx.com/blog/black-friday-2016/
technically? Yes, which is where things get asinine...does anyone really want to sit 3ft from a 65" TV? Would that even be comfortable?...sitting in a dark room, 3 ft from a TV on HDR torch mode? Yikes...Doesn't that imply that someone without a perfect vision need to sit even closer than 6ft to see all the benefits from a 4k television? :3
Impossibly flawed comparison though...way too many variables...I'm sure you're sure.
I'm also sure that if you were to chose 20 movies, and then pick a 2 versions of each, one in 720 and another in 1080, and make someone play them randomly for you while write down which one you think is which, at 15 feet, on a 50" screen, with an eyesight worse than 20/20, you'll find out you get as much right than wrong
Hi all, need some opinions on upgrading from a 2016 LED to 2017 OLED.
So I currently have a Samsung KS8000 60' that I picked up on a boxing day sale in December last year. The TV is great for my type of usage (movies/ shows and lots of gaming on both ps4 pro and pc). The IQ and low input lag are massive plusses and overall I am very happy with the TV. There are a few things that gets on my nerves though, such as the slight judder when playing anything through HDMI (ps4 and even more noticeable on PC). I'm the type of person that constantly changes settings picture settings every time I power on the TV to get the best IQ for the the content I'm playing at the time. The judder has gotten a little annoying and 6 months later I still find myself jumping into the settings quiet frequently trying to get rid of it, especially when running my PC on the screen. When playing movies or games (even more noticeable) via PC, the judder is definitely present and it's always lingering in my mind as I came from a older LCD that didn't have it. The TV has amazing IQ, low input lag and I'm very happy with it otherwise.
A situation has come up where a close friend is looking for a 60 inch and I have started thinking about the idea of selling him the KS8000 and upgrading to the new LG OLED C7 65'. The price difference is quiet substantial, but I've heard some great things about these OLED sets, especially the 2017 models. Looking at reviews of the C7, they all seem to hit the mark (even with the low input lag) as well as no judder as seen on the KS8000. As I'm the type of person that loves to jump into the picture settings multiple times a day, notices differences in IQ with various settings and very sensitive to little things like input lag, motion blur etc., I'm trying to get a grasp if I should bite the bullet and spend a few more grand to upgrade to an higher end OLED set.
My question is, is there a noticeable "upgrade/ difference" going from my LED KS8000 to an LG C7 OLED?. Getting rid of the judder will be a great plus and the IQ seems to be "amazing" according to the various OLED reviews out there. I will be moving up from a 60 to 65, and paying around $2500-$3000 for the difference which isn't a small figure. Is the upgrade worth it for the price bring paid to jump from LED to OLED?
Thoughts?
This is from THX.com. One would think they would know what they are talking about. Don't get me wrong, I would like to be proven wrong that I shouldn't sit more than 6.5ft from the TV..
"The rules are a bit different for 4K or UHD sets. The images on these TVs are so detailed that you can sit very close without your eyes getting tired. Take a look at the chart below to find your ideal screen size. Youre welcome to sit further away, of course, but youll be missing out on some of the detail youve paid for."
check out the page and the chart..
http://www.thx.com/blog/black-friday-2016/
Anyone use the Xbox one media remote and like it? I'm getting annoyed using the xbox controller playing 4k movies with its onscreen interface and am looking at picking up a remote instead.
As people have been saying, you're overthinking this. Put your couch 6.5ft away and enjoy your TV. Don't move your couch around based on the content you are viewing. It doesn't make enough of a difference to be worthwhile and what difference it would make isn't completely beneficial.
If you want to upgrade to a 65" LG OLED wait until black Friday of 2018.
LG is opening (or has already opened) a new factory in Korea to make cheaper 65" inch panels.
Also next year models will (probably) have HDMI 2.1 support.
I have a 2014 55" OLED and been wanting to upgrade for some time now to a 65" 4K one, and will do it BF next year
Remember though, to get the most out of the OLED you need a dark room for those scenes while images like the starfield will be much better on the OLED overall.Wow, the OLED looks pretty terrible in scenes with very bright peak highlights, compared to the Sony. Much dimmer and less dynamic image. But on the other hand the OLED crushes the Sony in dark scenes, of course.
**The IQ and low input lag are massive plusses and overall I am very happy with the TV.**
**...and spend a few more grand to upgrade to an higher end OLED set.**
I can't listen right now (I watched a bit), but is there a reason they only call it "2017 OLED TV"? What make / model is it?
Plus, you're buying at a time when a new HDMI standard has been announced. This sounds like a big change and one that could be important for games - as a thread here says, the sync stuff is a 'god tier' upgrade.
It's the panasonic but the gist is that it's really representative of all OLEDs since they're all close in performance.
If you can get the C7 now for cost price, do it.Thanks for your feedback, I was also thinking about the 2018 models with HDMI 2.1. The thing is, I have a good relationship with someone working at my old job in retail and they can bring the C7 down close to cost price, I'm not sure if I will be able to do this in 2018. On top of this, the KS8000 won't be worth as much it is is now in 2018.
I'm from Australia so we don't have black Friday sales. If anything it will be boxing day sale in December, but considering I can get the C7 now close to cost price, that's a decent plus.
I'm also running a fairly powerful pc, so having an option to run 120hz in 4K on HDMI 2.1 would be pretty massive. Has any manufacturers mentioned updating the 2017 TV'S with HDMI 2.1 via firmware?
It's like we're going to have this "should I wait for HDMI 2.1" conversation once per page...
If you can get the C7 now for cost price, do it.
A couple of reasons why:
1) You might be dead before 2018 comes round
2) You might be able to sell the C7 for close to cost in 2018
This is the approach I've taken with buying the Sony A1.
The thing with the 2.1 conversation is that there are too many factors for anything close to a one-size-fits-all answer.
a). we don't even know the entirety of 2.1 or if it definitively will be in 2018 sets
b). how often do you buy TVs (every 3 years? every 5+? the recommendation would be different)
c). are you a heavy PC user (high end PC)?
d). what are you using your TV for?
e). will future consoles support 2.1? when are they coming?
The list goes ON and ON...
More of us should heed this in everyday decision making.
Right. It goes back to the technology never slows down argument.
Has any manufacturers mentioned updating the 2017 TV'S with HDMI 2.1 via firmware?
It's the panasonic but the gist is that it's really representative of all OLEDs since they're all close in performance.
It's like we're going to have this "should I wait for HDMI 2.1" conversation once per page...
I realise it must be a bit tiring seeing it, but it *is* important. For some reason - without doing any research - I assumed that 2.0 was going to be around for four or five more years.
That was part of my reasoning when buying the TV in late 2016.
Of course if I'd looked into it, I'd have seen that 3-4 years was more likely the gap between them, so I was taking a big risk in that sense. If people are going to invest a lot of money in a TV, it makes sense to do it at the start of standard's cycle.
Ronin, does your C7 suffer from the dim game hdr mode? If it does, has it always or is it due to a fw update?
I realise it must be a bit tiring seeing it, but it *is* important. For some reason - without doing any research - I assumed that 2.0 was going to be around for four or five more years.
That was part of my reasoning when buying the TV in late 2016.
Of course if I'd looked into it, I'd have seen that 3-4 years was more likely the gap between them, so I was taking a big risk in that sense. If people are going to invest a lot of money in a TV, it makes sense to do it at the start of standard's cycle.
I really wish streaming quality on Amazon was better.
Watching Game of Thrones on the B6 really looks shitty in some dark scenes :/
If it makes you feel better it looks shitty on a C7 too.
Not sure if that's HBO or if that's Amazon though.
Yeah OLEDs are pissed when fed a shitty signal.
The Panasonic and Sony OLEDs deal with it OK compared to the C7.Yeah OLEDs are pissed when fed a shitty signal.
I'm going to hold off on OLED until there's an affordable 70-75 inch ha
Yeah LG OLEDs are pissed when fed a shitty signal.
If it makes you feel better it looks shitty on a C7 too.
Not sure if that's HBO or if that's Amazon though.