My TV came via Fedex. Wasn't able to schedule a delivery, but I generally know when Fedex is in my neighborhood. It came fine.
They don't double box these for shipment. Just comes in their retail packaging.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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My TV came via Fedex. Wasn't able to schedule a delivery, but I generally know when Fedex is in my neighborhood. It came fine.
They don't double box these for shipment. Just comes in their retail packaging.
Well, that's dumb. DV can pull off dynamic metadata on HDMI 2.0 so I figured HDR10+ could do it outside of just streaming apps. :/
RedlineRonin
Member
I found this snippet on eARC and 2.1. Interesting little tidbit.
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/whats-problem-hdmi-audio-return-channel
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/whats-problem-hdmi-audio-return-channel
Just buy Dolby Vision discs then? If you watch that HDTV Test HDR10+ video, Vincent stated Dolby Vision is an official optional layer on 4k UHD movies. He also stated HDR10+ currently isn't. It's unclear whether HDR10+ will be as popular as HDR10 but as of now it's no more of a standard than Dolby Vision. In fact it's technically less of a standard because Dolby Vision is already used heavily in online streaming apps and Dolby Vision is an approved optional layer for 4k uhd discs.
The only technical standard we have right now is HDR10 for 4k UHD movies. HDR10 isn't a standard for online streaming, and this is one of the reasons why there is more Dolby Vision content via online streaming than HDR10, though HDR10 is catching up. One of the nice things about the LG OLED is they support all these HDR formats available (HDR10+ notwithstanding but I wouldn't be surprised at a firmware update to support) so you don't have to worry about which format to use.
RedAssedApe
Banned
vizio m-series is probably the closest in features/price
Yappadappadu
Member
According to this german news article HDR10+ doesn't require HDMI 2.1 and also works with HDMI 2.0.
Even if that is true, then it doesn't automatically mean that all current TV's can (or will) be updated accordingly. Maybe only Panasonic TV's.
Similar to eARC that doesn't need HDMI 2.1 either.
http://www.areadvd.de/tests/ifa-201...dellreihen-exw754-und-hoeher-inklusive-oleds/
Even if that is true, then it doesn't automatically mean that all current TV's can (or will) be updated accordingly. Maybe only Panasonic TV's.
Similar to eARC that doesn't need HDMI 2.1 either.
HDR10+ would have been nice for games on PS4 via software update.
Not requiring HDMI 2.1 for HDR10+ would be pretty big. Maybe Samsung and Pansonic realized that Dolby Vision not requiring HDMI 2.1 is a huge advantage.
There is a software solution for Dolby Vision. Mass Effect Andromeda on PC supports Dolby Vision and it's supposed to be really good. I'd pay the 15 dollar fee for DV support on XB1 is MS offered it. They pass the cost onto the consumer for Dolby Atmos, they could do the same with Dolby Vision.
There is a software solution for Dolby Vision. Mass Effect Andromeda on PC supports Dolby Vision and it's supposed to be really good. I'd pay the 15 dollar fee for DV support on XB1 is MS offered it. They pass the cost onto the consumer for Dolby Atmos, they could do the same with Dolby Vision.
Good. No reason why dynamic metadata would require more bandwidth than another format.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Where did you read that it needs 2.1?
Insane Metal
Member
Nope. The TCL P6 series is on a league of its own.
I read this earlier on AVS, but I suppose that was misinformation or just old information. I stand corrected. Hopefully this means current and older sets have a bigger chance of receiving firmware updates for HDR10+ support.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Yeah you'd think so, but according to Steve Withers from AVF, Panny has told him that last year's flagship (also this year's too LCD wise) won't be getting it.
Temeculan3000
Member
I think it may depend on your set if it gets a firmware update to support HDR10+ or if they force you to wait until HDMI 2.1 models are out.
This was info from Samsung regarding Samsung sets:
This was info from Samsung regarding Samsung sets:
Lame.
Speaking of, has anybody noticed issues with FALD and subtitles? I watch everything with subs and I notice on my Vizio E3, which isn't the best tv obviously, when subtitles come and go I can clearly see the lighting go dark or bright around it. It's pretty annoying and doesn't look good at all. I might just turn it off
Speaking of, has anybody noticed issues with FALD and subtitles? I watch everything with subs and I notice on my Vizio E3, which isn't the best tv obviously, when subtitles come and go I can clearly see the lighting go dark or bright around it. It's pretty annoying and doesn't look good at all. I might just turn it off
Caayn
Member
I love the Ambilight on Philips TVs'. I've owned a Philips 55PUS9109 and the Ambilight on it was glorious.
If they fix the issues with stability (random crashes of the TV even when not using the Smart TV section) and general UI design my next TV will be a Philips again.
Also is this the first OLED to have an advertised peak brightness of 900cm/d²?
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Yes but you can bet your arse that's in dynamic.
GinoFelino
Member
Fantastic, actually
psychotron
Member
It's a literal game changer. I want it for every game now. The only time HDR can be iffy on it is during a movie with black bars. Some scenes you can see the FALD has trouble compensating for the extreme brightness next to the black bars, so they get lighter. Not always, but it's there. That said, gaming is incredible, even on a dark game like The Surge.
XE90 is this model right? - http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900e
psychotron
Member
Yes
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
Thanks, guys. Sounds good. Some might call me crazy, but I'm considering selling my 55" LG E6 and getting a 65" Sony XE90/X900E this fall.
I have the 65" 900e, all I can say is do it. Fantastic all
Around.
Anyone here with a Sony A1 OLED and PS4 Pro? Weird problem cropping up recently. After about 5 mins, a grey screen with the Bravia logo in the bottom right appears while playing PS4 (and only PS4). It's not my screensaver, and after switching the TV on and off it won't come back for the rest of the play session. It didn't happen for the first month or so, but happens all the time now. Can't figure it out and having trouble Googling it given the generic nature of the problem. Any other A1 owners here?
Could be HDCP issues. Try disabling HDCP in your PS4 system settings.
Shadowhelper
Banned
I'm considering returning my ku6000, a 2016 samsung to Amazon. It processes HDR, but I don't think its real HDR as only the higher end sets have the luminosity to do real HDR.
It is kinda annoying how expensive all the sets with real HDR are. And how they still market tons of TVs with HDR, but its not really HDR. Always pushing bullshit marketing terms, and confusing and muddying things for no reason in the process.
It is kinda annoying how expensive all the sets with real HDR are. And how they still market tons of TVs with HDR, but its not really HDR. Always pushing bullshit marketing terms, and confusing and muddying things for no reason in the process.
GinoFelino
Member
MAX PAYMENT
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Any opinions on vizio m series?
What's pushing me away is the motion performance, the poor near-black performance and shadow detail, that it's relatively dim, the magenta reflection tint, the vertical banding stripes, and that the colour gamut is locked to Wide/Vivid in Game Mode, with no white balance controls.
XE90/X900E looks like it's right up my alley, to be honest. Better motion, brighter, great uniformity, FALD - great blacks and only a small amount of blooming, and one can calibrate every mode, including game mode, if one wishes to do so. Also, the extra 10 inches.
GinoFelino
Member
That makes a high-end OLED sound pretty bad
FWIW though, there's very little of all that in the X900E. Just remember that no TV is perfect. This one has some clouding and it slows to a crawl if you're trying to navigate the menu while watching 4K HDR Netflix. Pretty sure overall IQ doesn't match the E6 either.
psychotron
Member
So I've been pretty fine with the amount of DSE on my 900e. Not perfect, but mostly okay. That is until I put in Breath of the Wild today. Holy fuck I can't turn the camera without it looking like I have dirty lines everywhere! At night it's okay, but during the day, the colors and dusty haze the game has just make it look bad. My only other experience has been on my ST50 which I don't remember being as bad. Does it look bad on other tv's?
the androgyne
Member
I'm in Japan and a lot of TVs & brands here aren't available overseas, and so i had a real tough time deciding what to buy recently. Figured i'd post my impressions for the Toshiba 43" Z700X i ended up with, for the few people who might be in a similar situation!
I was looking for 43" ... the Sony X9000E/X900E only goes down to 49" and i'd read a few bad things about the latest X8000E that is available in 43". Toshiba's similar model BZ710X is also 49" and up. Only Panasonic has 43" in this years range. I really didn't want to go 49" for cost and room size reasons, so i was still looking around.
The store still had last years Toshiba X700X in 43" available. The main thing it's missing from this years model is a "Bazooka" audio system. I have a baby so i use headphones most of the time, so that's not a feature i'm concerned with. The older model actually does 9 DTV simultaneous vs 3 on the newer, so it seemed like more of a feature swap rather than being outright better. Side by side with the Panasonic, i couldn't really tell a difference, other than the several thousand yen in the newer Panny's price tag! I had a little doubt, should i be going for the 49" Sony since it's been so well reviewed? It's VA panel definitely looked nicer than the models they had next to it. But, Toshiba is the only manufacturer here that really promotes their game mode/input lag, and price and size being a factor, i took a gamble...
It's 4K HDR, IPS, direct LED with area control. When i first hooked up my PS4, the input delay was horridly noticeable right on the user select screen and i was pretty panicked! Switched to game mode and it felt instant, breathed a huge sigh of relief. I'm not particularly susceptible to input delay in most games, i've only really had it bother me in a few racing games with boost start mechanics. So i put PS3 Daytona USA on and got the rocket start first time with several attempts, where on previous sets i've had trouble doing that. Played some fighting games after that and had no issues there either.
The picture itself is great. I don't have a PS4 Pro, so no 4k games, but upscaled 1080P seems great, only a fraction of softness (i'm sitting about a metre away). 4k YouTube is all i can test atm so not the best source, but when it's going good, it has incredible clarity. It handles fast motion well, racing games right through to Sonic Mania, i haven't noticed any blur that shouldn't be there. HDR is impressive, i've tried Wipeout Omega & Horizon. Everything seems richer although i must admit, i thought they both looked spectacular without HDR too. I should rig up a side by side to really see the difference.
I tried Arkham Knight to test out some blacks. I mostly play in dim lighting and at first i noticed some uneven cloudiness to a blank screen, particularly in the bottom right corner. But, the backlight was set quite bright by default, i lowered it down a bit and it's evenly black now, without overly dimming the display. There's a separate black level adjustment that can go right down to nothing without losing detail in shadows. In a pitch black room you can tell it's not OLED black, but it's pretty damn good. The LED area control has an Auto setting and Manual 1min-10max setting... it's a bit vague what that's actually doing since i don't notice much difference between the settings. Colours are rich and natural by default, i only fiddled with them a bit to match my preference.
I've also given it a solid shakedown for retro gaming with the XRGB Mini. Have posted a stack of photos in the scanline screenshot thread that i think speak for themselves, i'm super happy with the way it looks (and again, the lag must very low because even with the XRGB adding more, i was able to reliably MAXIMUM POWER in Wave Race 64!)
Some little things that i really like - the menus are super responsive. I don't like the idea of Android running on Sony, and Panasonic uses a Firefox derived OS? I think Toshiba's is proprietary... whatever it is, it's snappy as. A huge improvement over the last TV i bought (a 32" Sony from before they used Android). The set also has a fantastic "Source info" view that displays all the info you'd ever need, none of my previous TVs even showed the resolution, so that's a great improvement! It even has a histogram view, maybe that's standard nowadays, but it's new to me
Overall i'm really pleased with it as you can probably tell. The store has a 55" version of this model that i'm hoping will still be there in 3 months when i need to get something for the living room, because i'd happily buy it again, and for the price saving... yeah sometimes it really makes sense going for last years model!
I was looking for 43" ... the Sony X9000E/X900E only goes down to 49" and i'd read a few bad things about the latest X8000E that is available in 43". Toshiba's similar model BZ710X is also 49" and up. Only Panasonic has 43" in this years range. I really didn't want to go 49" for cost and room size reasons, so i was still looking around.
The store still had last years Toshiba X700X in 43" available. The main thing it's missing from this years model is a "Bazooka" audio system. I have a baby so i use headphones most of the time, so that's not a feature i'm concerned with. The older model actually does 9 DTV simultaneous vs 3 on the newer, so it seemed like more of a feature swap rather than being outright better. Side by side with the Panasonic, i couldn't really tell a difference, other than the several thousand yen in the newer Panny's price tag! I had a little doubt, should i be going for the 49" Sony since it's been so well reviewed? It's VA panel definitely looked nicer than the models they had next to it. But, Toshiba is the only manufacturer here that really promotes their game mode/input lag, and price and size being a factor, i took a gamble...
It's 4K HDR, IPS, direct LED with area control. When i first hooked up my PS4, the input delay was horridly noticeable right on the user select screen and i was pretty panicked! Switched to game mode and it felt instant, breathed a huge sigh of relief. I'm not particularly susceptible to input delay in most games, i've only really had it bother me in a few racing games with boost start mechanics. So i put PS3 Daytona USA on and got the rocket start first time with several attempts, where on previous sets i've had trouble doing that. Played some fighting games after that and had no issues there either.
The picture itself is great. I don't have a PS4 Pro, so no 4k games, but upscaled 1080P seems great, only a fraction of softness (i'm sitting about a metre away). 4k YouTube is all i can test atm so not the best source, but when it's going good, it has incredible clarity. It handles fast motion well, racing games right through to Sonic Mania, i haven't noticed any blur that shouldn't be there. HDR is impressive, i've tried Wipeout Omega & Horizon. Everything seems richer although i must admit, i thought they both looked spectacular without HDR too. I should rig up a side by side to really see the difference.
I tried Arkham Knight to test out some blacks. I mostly play in dim lighting and at first i noticed some uneven cloudiness to a blank screen, particularly in the bottom right corner. But, the backlight was set quite bright by default, i lowered it down a bit and it's evenly black now, without overly dimming the display. There's a separate black level adjustment that can go right down to nothing without losing detail in shadows. In a pitch black room you can tell it's not OLED black, but it's pretty damn good. The LED area control has an Auto setting and Manual 1min-10max setting... it's a bit vague what that's actually doing since i don't notice much difference between the settings. Colours are rich and natural by default, i only fiddled with them a bit to match my preference.
I've also given it a solid shakedown for retro gaming with the XRGB Mini. Have posted a stack of photos in the scanline screenshot thread that i think speak for themselves, i'm super happy with the way it looks (and again, the lag must very low because even with the XRGB adding more, i was able to reliably MAXIMUM POWER in Wave Race 64!)
Some little things that i really like - the menus are super responsive. I don't like the idea of Android running on Sony, and Panasonic uses a Firefox derived OS? I think Toshiba's is proprietary... whatever it is, it's snappy as. A huge improvement over the last TV i bought (a 32" Sony from before they used Android). The set also has a fantastic "Source info" view that displays all the info you'd ever need, none of my previous TVs even showed the resolution, so that's a great improvement! It even has a histogram view, maybe that's standard nowadays, but it's new to me
Overall i'm really pleased with it as you can probably tell. The store has a 55" version of this model that i'm hoping will still be there in 3 months when i need to get something for the living room, because i'd happily buy it again, and for the price saving... yeah sometimes it really makes sense going for last years model!
Will try, thank you!
Spent the morning looking at local inventory, then checking back to rtings.com to see what they say. They definitely push the TCL S405 over the Samsung MU6300, noting that the gains in the latter don't justify the cost jump. But what if I've found the Samsung for only $499? The MSRP seems to be around $750, so does the nice reduction justify the splurge?
This is for a general use screen (tv, Netflix, Switch).
The TCL is the 49", Samsung is 50".
This is for a general use screen (tv, Netflix, Switch).
The TCL is the 49", Samsung is 50".
Sanctuary
Member
Even without the price difference, I would have given a resounding "NO!" as well. A friend actually bought an Xbox One S specifically to hook up to my B6 and watch some UHDs, despite me telling him repeatedly that it's a bad idea, and that if he was wanting it for himself, for his future 4K set (like a year from now at least) to simply hold off and wait until a sale, or the price lowers. He didn't listen. We went through approximately twenty UHDs, some of which were the best at the time for image quality.
I had already been reading about how both the HDR was (maybe they fixed it) handled poorly on the Xbox One S and how the colors were not accurate (and they still aren't compared to most of the other standalones), but even those issues aside, it was slow as shit for loading and would also freeze quite often. Just about nothing really blew me away picture quality wise either compared to what I had been already using previously with my PC anyway upscaling 1080p to 4K. You could tell some subtle differences with certain textures, but you had to really be looking for them, and at a casual glance, most things looked the same, even scenes that should have had obvious HDR.
A few months later I was finally able to try out the Sony and the Oppo. Both of which are better in pretty much every way over the S for UHDs, but then that's all they are good for, and one is double the price.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
I just read that Toshiba is introducing their own OLED soon and it will be lower priced than LG. If it's just as good or even close really remains to be seen though. Also apparently it won't be Toshiba itself making the TV but rather Turkish brand Vestel.
I read it on Dutch website Tweakers.net but here's a link for everyone
https://www.whathifi.com/news/toshiba-back-4k-hdr-oled-and-alexa-enabled-tvs
I read it on Dutch website Tweakers.net but here's a link for everyone
https://www.whathifi.com/news/toshiba-back-4k-hdr-oled-and-alexa-enabled-tvs
Huh, I thought the LG OLED were good for gaming? And poor black performance, what? Never heard of these issues for an OLED TV..
Ouch thanks. I thought I might get one for games and movies but.... yeesh. Love my ps3 for Blu-ray. Wish the pro had 4k, what a blunder by Sony
Yeah, the more players after the panels, the better. I also read that the Toshiba have a claimed 1ms input lag. That's bonkers when coupled with the instant pixel response!
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
feature wise it looks fantastic but HDR being limited to one HDMI is a no go for me.
qa_engineer
Member
Those new Sony oled TV's are so nice.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
That would be insane but we don't yet know if it can rival the picture quality of LG and Sony. I heard from some folks that Vestel ain't the best. But we shall see.
Does anybody have recommendations for cheap wall mounts? I don't need a full motion one for my B7 but I also don't want to be hassled if I want to switch cables and whatnot. So as slim as possible while also being movable? The mount for the B7 are towards the bottom too so I don't know if I need one with shorter arms or if I'll be ok with just moving the arms higher
Stiler
Member
That's weird, The e6 is generally considered to have great motion performance and since it's an oled the blacks should be superb.