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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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Beer Monkey
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They sent out emails in early August for the 65E7P at $2699; I don't believe they had offered phone quotes lower than that for the model. I'll call if I have to. I'm not in a rush right yet, though, as the person who I'm gifting my plasma to isn't ready for it yet.
At least some people have had some difficulty getting Chase to price match eBuy. I'll be waiting for Black Friday for price matching anyway and then I'll collect every price that I can so I have multiple sources to match to.
I may even end up calling Frys for quotes at some point even though they are a 90 minute drive away. It wouldn't be terrible to have a brick and mortar store for return if I lose the panel lottery.
Sanctuary
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I can't stand playing fighting games on anything other than my 2009 plasma or my 5ms Asus monitor for input lag reasons. I won't play them on the plasma any longer though thanks to the hours I put into them, and the nice ultra/super bars that I burned into the bottom permanently. There's no way in hell I'm going to repeat that on my B6. Not just because of the input lag (which is noticeably higher for specific genres) but also any potential for burn in (which in this very thread has proven isn't completely "fixed" yet).
Despite that, most other genres outside of fighting games, FPS/TPS and very few platformers are lenient enough that they don't require ultra low input lag to do well enough with, even if you're more sensitive to it. I refuse to use Game Mode in or out of HDR on the B6, because it looks like absolute shit, and even with ISF Dark, which has crap like "Real Cinema" locked, it doesn't really have any noticeable impact on the genres I play on it. It's not simply a matter of acclimation either, because I bounce around between playing on it, my monitor and my plasma. If I can play any of the Souls games on it at 60fps and not ever feel like I missed a dodge or parry because of input lag, or something like Thumper without any problems that's good enough for me.
That being said, of course lower is better and I'll probably upgrade again in 2019. That is, if we're still trading with South Korea by then.
Wait people have trouble with eBuy? Shit, I have a 500$ price match I need to do with them.
Beer Monkey
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Actually now that I looked closer it seemed like eBuy wasn't the problem it was just bad service from Chase that got cleared up once the buyer got Cleveland Plasma on the phone to confirm that they don't do post-sale price matching. My bad.
Either way prices are going down so I'll wait and do my price match on Black Friday.
This is the monitor that is mentioned in the title of this thread. All other TVs are fantasising about it.
And LOL, Vincent was looking quite depressed when he talked how he could not afford it.
I saw a couple posts saying this dealer was hit or miss, but yea they're still legit. BuyDig had the C7 at a similar price if you call in last week, they might still have it.
Speaking of, my B7 from BuyDig has been 50 miles away from me for 24 hours now
Sucks to hear about the shipping issues. I placed my order for the C7 on Thursday and the TV was delivered on Saturday.
That said, I believe you will like the TV. It really does have a great picture. You will definitely (and obviously) need to change settings from their defaults, however.
So far the nicest picture I have seen is from Chef's Table on Netflix with Dolby Vision. I haven't explored too much in the HDR realm yet, but some HDR content can just come across as exaggerated. The colors and contrast can look over the top. Chef's Table, however, looks as I hoped and expected. Great use of HDR. Death Note also seemed to look good from what I could tell after watching less than 10 minutes.
Another thing I like about the TV is that it plays nicely with the OSSC for retro gaming. It even accepts the 1600x1200 output, which results in a crisp picture. The fact that it's much brighter than my plasma means I can actually use scanlines and not have a dim and lifeless picture. The high resolution also helps with scaling, ensuring evenly spaced scanlines.
A couple of other bits -
- It's nice to have a more modern UI. The ability to switch between having a cursor (think Wii) or using the directional buttons is a welcome feature.
- The plasma I used before (Pioneer KRP500M) was technically a monitor. It did not have a TV tuner. I mostly use streaming services, but it's nice to hook up the antenna for OTA broadcasts.
- The HDMI control and ARC work well with my receiver. This means turning on the TV turns on the receiver and the sound goes through the receiver. In addition, the volume can be controlled using the TV remote. A very seamless experience.
DOT DASH DOT
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This is the monitor that is mentioned in the title of this thread. All other TVs are fantasising about it.
And LOL, Vincent was looking quite depressed when he talked how he could not afford it.
The only thing is I'm not sure if it really is the pic quality that he's so amazed about, or the fact that delta errors are .4
Human eye supposedly isn't able to tell under 3 DE's.
Beer Monkey
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Do you prefer the 1200 line -> 2160 line scaling over outputting 720p 3x or 1080p 5x (cropped)? I figured that integer scaling is best.
Do you have a Gamecube and Game Boy Interface? I'm fairly sure Ultra Low Latency mode won't work on the LG but I'm hoping Low Latency mode does.
I think I'm going to put a feature request in for the OSSC to offer pixel orbiting to reduce possible image retention.
Wishmaster92
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I'd wager Panasonic will be the first to get near reference quality when compared to the x300. They already have studio reference color tracking down. I wish the would come to the states though. Please Panasonic! As soon as they do 1080+ lines of MR without massive dimming I will upgrade.This is the monitor that is mentioned in the title of this thread. All other TVs are fantasising about it.
And LOL, Vincent was looking quite depressed when he talked how he could not afford it.
I still have to tinker with it, but I'll make sure to test the 720p mode. While integer scaling would be best, many scalers will add some filtering when scaling resulting in a blurry picture. The 1200 line mode looks very sharp as is and scanlines are spaced evenly, which was impossible to achieve on my 1080p display without cropping the image somewhat (using the 1080p cropped mode or an external scaler).
I am afraid I do not have a Gamecube and Game Boy Interface, so I will not be able to check for you. If you have any other things you'd like for me to check out, however, do let me know.
The LG OLEDs do have a pixel shift feature, which I believe is the same as pixel orbiting on the plasma.
ULL probably doesn't work for any consumer TVs. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
Beer Monkey
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I don't think I have many questions outside of Gamecube and GBI but I am really curious as to what you think of 3x 720p and 4 and 5x 1080p.
FWIW the OSSC compatibility and how good the 'scan lines' look is a deciding factor in me moving ahead with the LG OLED instead of waiting any longer.
Shift/orbiting features built into the set typically invoke scaling so that as the image gets moved around the full screen is still showing active picture. I want 1:1. Since 4:3 games on the NT Mini and the OSSC are windowboxed it should be possible for the device to move the image around while keeping it 1:1. I don't mind losing a few raster lines to overscan since real CRTs virtually always overscanned 8 and 16 bit consoles and the games were designed to keep a safe area at the edges to provide for this. Of course other people feel differently.
Agreed on both counts.
Day one! Got a lg 910v standing in my bedroom(main tv) and it great, but in a few years i'll upgrade to the newest oled with HDR.. don't need nor want 4K stuff
I will have time to look at it tomorrow and test the other modes. I will let you know if they work and if the scanlines look acceptable. My main concern with scanlines and scaling is having thicker and thinner lines, which shows as horizontal bands. I did not detect that behavior on the 1200 line mode.
I'd argue that the small amount of scaling required for the pixel orbiter using such low resolution content on such a high resolution screen will not result in an appreciable difference. That said, I will check tomorrow how the pixel orbiter affects the image using some of the 240p test suite patterns and all of the line modes while being about 3ft from the 55" screen. Perhaps I will be proven wrong.
RedlineRonin
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Doesn't that seem a bit myopic? Unless you're gonna buy a new TV in a couple years.
I'd like to buy an OLED HDR TV already now, but then I will have to live with upscaled content for probably a few years to come. Some Swedish television channels are broadcasted in 720p still.
I guess I'll buy a 4K TV in a year or so, but it would have been nice if there existed options for OLED 1080p HDR at least for a few years. Sony are at least trying, but they only offer 1080p HDR in their budget LED line up, e.g. 49WE75.
I guess I'll buy a 4K TV in a year or so, but it would have been nice if there existed options for OLED 1080p HDR at least for a few years. Sony are at least trying, but they only offer 1080p HDR in their budget LED line up, e.g. 49WE75.
SomewhatGroovy
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My replacement tcl 605 comes in in a couple of hours. Let's hope the black uniformity is much better.
Ah that makes me feel a bit better. Do you have the link to that issue so I can read up a bit on it and drive myself crazy with worry?
Thanks for this! I'm literally on the opposite side of the country so that's probably why. Does HDR on Netflix work on the cheapest tier? I don't think I can get 4k so I assumed not.
Beer Monkey
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Sadly, Netflix does require the highest tier for 4K. I believe it's $11.99. Thankfully, Amazon does not ask for more for their 4K/HDR services.
NYR
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Broadcast 4K in wide use is never coming. 4K is all about digital media and streaming. Yeah, They'll be a few channels here or there but you're at least 10-15 years away to where every channel could be in 4K and I actually doubt it happens, it would cost a fortune in updating equipment and infrastructure.
TV channels nowadays don't even do 1080p - a lot are 720p or 1080i. The first channels were in HD in 2005 - it's been 13 years and still not at 1080 100% of the time, you'll be waiting a lifetime if you except 4K to be the next replacement for everything.
SomewhatGroovy
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Update on this.
Glad I made the exchange!
If anything, the TV is too dark now haha. Pitch black against black screen test and a freaking beauty.
Will need to work on calibration. When I check on my settings on Xbox, some of the white borders (against black theme) look kinda washed out . Yakuza also looked a little washed out on PlayStation.
Shadow_FFVI
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Right now I'm stuck between a 65 inch X900E and a 55 inch B6.
They're about the same price, so it's basically a matter of OLED being good enough to sacrifice the 10 inch size differential. Both are about $1,800.
Is either one of those or just getting a KS8000 for much cheaper, if its comparable to the previously mentioned sets.
They're about the same price, so it's basically a matter of OLED being good enough to sacrifice the 10 inch size differential. Both are about $1,800.
Is either one of those or just getting a KS8000 for much cheaper, if its comparable to the previously mentioned sets.
TheBoss1
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Stiler
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The 65" KS8000 I had earlier in the summer I paid 1,000 bucks for it. The KS8000 series ended production to make way for this years tv's so they are leaving the market. This naturally drives the price up so you are paying a premium for an older tv being phased out.
My issue with the KS8000 was the bad blooming/dimming feature. Basically whenever you have a dark scene with a bright object or such, you'll get a pillar of light as the tv highlights the light area but the light still has to travel from the edge of the tv to that light, so you get basically a "pillar" that's noticeably lighter going up/down the entire part of the screen.
It annoyed me, but maybe it won't bother you.
The main thing that was good about the KS8000 was just how bright it got, it hit over 1k nits, which even new tv's can't seem to get down as good (like the 930e).
I ended up sending mine back since I watch a lot movies that have dark scenes and it was just too annoying to me to have the uneven looking blacks every time it was dark in a movie or show.
I went with the TCL p605, which is an FALD set so no pillar of light issues and the blacks stay quite black which worked a lot better for me. THe trade off was that it's only in 55" and it doesn't get as bright as the KS8000 did so the HDR doesn't pop as high as it did. However it was only $599 so I saved 400 bucks that went toward some audio equipment.
RedlineRonin
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Yeah I would just call LG. Not going to be at a lot of third party suppliers since the set is so new.
Otherwise there are a ton of "one size fits all" replacement stands on Amazon.
JohnnyFootball
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The P605 is the absolute best TV you can get for under $1000.
If you wanted to get a better TV you're only real option is the 900E series for $1300
Good find! One piece of the puzzle solved. I'm yet to find a review of it, so let me know if you stumble upon one. I hope this model is flying off the shelves and that LG considers one with HDR later.
Insane Metal
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That's a really shitty price.
MosquitoSmasher
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I was wondering about something....
So I have a 65B6 and a normal Xbox One, so no S. All these games right now look a bit soft, slightly blurry and even though they are much crisper when I sit 4 or 5 meters from the screen, it still looks softer than it did on my previous OLED which was the EC9300 and that was full HD.
Would these games look more crisp if I had a Xbox One S, since it upscales to 4K or is it basically the same as my TV upscaling it right now for my OG Xbox One? Which in my opinion would mean the upscaler is a bit disappointing then. Shouldn't look softer or more blurry than the EC9300.
Was just curious if that's the same kind of upscaling.
So I have a 65B6 and a normal Xbox One, so no S. All these games right now look a bit soft, slightly blurry and even though they are much crisper when I sit 4 or 5 meters from the screen, it still looks softer than it did on my previous OLED which was the EC9300 and that was full HD.
Would these games look more crisp if I had a Xbox One S, since it upscales to 4K or is it basically the same as my TV upscaling it right now for my OG Xbox One? Which in my opinion would mean the upscaler is a bit disappointing then. Shouldn't look softer or more blurry than the EC9300.
Was just curious if that's the same kind of upscaling.
RedAssedApe
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i would just try contacting LG support. worst comes to worse you could probably buy one of those universal stands. i think they just attach to the back of tvs and via the standard vesa mounts.
Yea, generally, TV's use something close to bilnear interpolation when upscaling because that makes sense for video content. But videogames should be upscaled with nearest-neighbor upscaling instead since that makes sense for gaming:
I don't own an Xbox One, or an S, but I assume the S would use nearest neighbor on games and bilinear on movies/video content.
If your screen has a game mode, be sure to turn it on. It may help.
MosquitoSmasher
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Yea, generally, TV's use something close to bilnear interpolation when upscaling because that makes sense for video content. But videogames should be upscaled with nearest-neighbor upscaling instead since that makes sense for gaming:
I don't own an Xbox One, or an S, but I assume the S would use nearest neighbor on games and bilinear on movies/video content.
If your screen has a game mode, be sure to turn it on. It may help.
Thanks guys. Then all I can do is accept this and look forward to Xbox One X a lot because 4K is going to be a joy on this. 4K gaming that is. Movies I've already seen of course.
As for game mode, I use it for all my gaming but the other day I tried out Skyrim SE and it definitely looked softer compared to my old OLED. And that is with Sharpness at 20 too. Or maybe it's the game because Borderlands 2 definitely looks real crisp, even when I sit close.
RedAssedApe
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i always see rave reviews about sony's upscaling. does it really make that big of a difference whatever processing they are doing?
MosquitoSmasher
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It's really quite doable if you sit a good distance from the TV. So if you have a 65 inch for example, at least sit 4 meters or more from it.
But once you go Xbox One X or Pro it should be fine to sit much closer.
That's really great stuff, watched it all the way through. One thing that he talks about, which I definitely think is notable, is regarding shadow detail. If you take three reference consumer displays from over the years, lets say the Pioneer 500M, the LG C7, and a Panasonic ZT60, and play a Bluray, they will show very different results in dark scenes. The 500M and especially the C7 will clip blacks, and the Panasonic will show much greater shadow detail. Which one is actually correct? So if you had this Sony monitor alongside these, that would show the correct amount of shadow detail.
And 12.5ms input lag! With the lightning-quick pixel response of OLED! This is the best gaming display in the world, lol.
HDTVTest has become, with RTINGS, my favorite TV reviewer.
I was talking about for stuff like TV or movies. I watch whatever I can get my hands on, including SD content sometimes. Hope it's not too bad, I sit around 8 feet away I would estimate.
Nikana
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Doesnt seem to be an issue.
Damn, I'm considering the 65" Sony X900E, but I only sit approx. 2.2/2.3 meters away from my TV. I have a 55" OLED now, but Sony's upscaling should be better than LG's. What to do?
I rarely watch content under 1080p, though. Should I be okay with a 65" then?
ACH1LL3US
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Rtings review of the new Sony X720e:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x720e
Higlights:
Lowest dse of any tv they have reviewed outside oled
18.7ms lag 4:4:4 for 1080p and 4k
No image retention
Comes in many sizes
Excellent viewing angles
Fast pixel response
Good brightness
No PWM
Negatives:
IPS ( low contrast ratio)
I think for gaming I may roll with this as I play in a lit room and retire the C7 oled to movies/tv. Image retention is real for the oled.
What do you guys think of this Sony? Kinda wish it had the same specs but va and glossy :/
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x720e
Higlights:
Lowest dse of any tv they have reviewed outside oled
18.7ms lag 4:4:4 for 1080p and 4k
No image retention
Comes in many sizes
Excellent viewing angles
Fast pixel response
Good brightness
No PWM
Negatives:
IPS ( low contrast ratio)
I think for gaming I may roll with this as I play in a lit room and retire the C7 oled to movies/tv. Image retention is real for the oled.
What do you guys think of this Sony? Kinda wish it had the same specs but va and glossy :/