Terminator 6 back on, with James Cameron & Deadpool director
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Daffy Duck
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Hopefully a reboot of 3-5 and retcon those films to the bin and a decent final third film.
Man, I actually like Genisys. It wasn't all that great, but there's no reason why they couldn't have improved upon its shortcomings for a sequel.
But why? This whole franchise is about time travel. Set them off to another timeline or something.
But why? This whole franchise is about time travel. Set them off to another timeline or something.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Hopefully I'll have enough time to get a PhD in astrophysics so I can understand the timelines. I go cross-eyed just thinking about Genisys.
Banjotanooki
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That topic's about James Camerson and "The Termiantor" though...
Daffy Duck
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But that just muddies the waters of the original films and just turns the whole thing into some weird idea.
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Yeah, its upsetting that the thread title hasn't been fixed.
CaviarMeths
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I love Cameron and think he has great sensibilities as a storyteller. But Salvation was an art house masterpiece compared to Genesys, and yet Cameron liked Genesys. I don't get it.
And yes, hopefully a "reboot and conclusion" ignores 3-5 and just Superman Returns the thing.
And yes, hopefully a "reboot and conclusion" ignores 3-5 and just Superman Returns the thing.
Can we please be fucking done with referencing the first two movies please?
"HEY REMEMBER WHEN ARNOLD NEEDED TO GRAB THE CLOTHES FROM THE BIKER GUY?"
"HEY REMEMBER WHEN ARNOLD SAID 'COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE'?"
"HEY REMEMBER HOW THE T-1000 LOOKED LIKE A COP?"
"HEY REMEMBER KYLE REESE?"
"HEY REMEMBER WHEN ARNOLD NEEDED TO GRAB THE CLOTHES FROM THE BIKER GUY?"
"HEY REMEMBER WHEN ARNOLD SAID 'COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE'?"
"HEY REMEMBER HOW THE T-1000 LOOKED LIKE A COP?"
"HEY REMEMBER KYLE REESE?"
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They'll be back
Daffy Duck
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I fucking hate these moments, they may seem cool to the people who write the script but we don't need them in EVERY GOD DAMN FILM!
Cameron "liked" it in a purely marketing sense. There is no way he thought it was a good movie.
Everything in the first two films set up for third movie set in the future, especially if you consider the first two films a 'closed loop'. John wins the war in the future because of what he learned growing up, add Kyle Reese into the mix and you can easily make a poignant and definitive ending to the story.
scoobs
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I can only imagine how awful this is going to be. We might need Science Man to explain the timelines to us again..
BlackLagoon
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Sarah Connor Chronicles did that just fine already. Really, what the franchise needs is more Glaubot.
Sir_Crocodile
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DrunkShogun
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On one hand the franchise should be left alone but James Cameron always delivers on what he cares about the most. Avatar graphics, terminator 2 action scenes so hope he's able to conclude the franchise.
Daffy Duck
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Never watched the series, maybe I should sort that out.
It actually wasn't that bad.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
It's the best Terminator related thing I've watched since T2. I know that isn't saying much, but it was a pretty good show. Way better than I expected it to be.
It was a masterpiece when held up against the films they shat out.
Honestly though, the show is pretty good. Wish somewhere was streaming it.
Where's Cameron going to fit this in with the 20 Avatar sequels? Are they just the movie versions of vaporware now?
Triggerhappytel
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I don't know how to salvage this series. You can keep going back and rewriting things to erase the timeline from sequels, but after a while all of that becomes messy bullshit. If I were writing Terminator 3 I would have written it about other machines sent back to kill the Conners (and key people in the resistance, which is the one good idea T3 had), and ensure the creation/survival of Skynet. Sending one Terminator back wasn't enough; it would have had backup plans as well.
Things I would do/avoid:
- The villain needs to be scary/threatening again. Arnold in the original was great. Robert Patrick in T2 went in a totally different direction but was still amazing. Kristanna Loken in T3 wasn't threatening at all, and I felt like her robot/liquid metal design was a regression from the T-1000. Salvation didn't really have a villain (I think?) and I kinda liked the idea of John Connor being turned into a nanomachine robot in Genysis, but they didn't do anything interesting with it and Jason Clarke was rubbish. A female Terminator could be a good idea from an infiltration perspective, but T3 just fucked the execution.
- No more lame references to the original two films.
- I hated that the central theme from the first two films was "The future is not set. There is no fate but that which we make for ourselves", and the sequels (T3 specifically) shit all over that by making Skynet inevitable. And then it was an OS in Genysis for some reason? This is why having Skynet having taken measures to ensure its own survival makes a lot more sense.
- I don't think Salvation is a good film, but I like that it tried to move the series forward by not just being a remake of Terminator 1 again. Maybe setting a sequel in the future war again would be a good idea?
- No more Arnold, please. How about another big muscular guy as the principal enemy, or do what T2 and T3 do by actually changing up the villain? I loved how Robert Patrick just looks like an ordinary guy (the original idea for the T-800 in the first film), and he is friendly and his infiltration techniques are very logical (i.e. everyone trusts a policeman). And again, I don't think Kristanna Loken was right for the role, but a female Terminator could be an interesting idea.
- Please make James Cameron have a hand in casting. I think every main character they've cast since he left the series has been awful.
- I don't know how you'd get there from the timeline, but exploring the future war might be interesting. They've never really done this, and most of the ideas in Salvation were shitty.
- Please no more convoluted time travel shit like in Genysis. Scientist Man explains it best.
Probably some other stuff, but I've not really paid attention to the series post-T3. Hated that damn film so much.
Things I would do/avoid:
- The villain needs to be scary/threatening again. Arnold in the original was great. Robert Patrick in T2 went in a totally different direction but was still amazing. Kristanna Loken in T3 wasn't threatening at all, and I felt like her robot/liquid metal design was a regression from the T-1000. Salvation didn't really have a villain (I think?) and I kinda liked the idea of John Connor being turned into a nanomachine robot in Genysis, but they didn't do anything interesting with it and Jason Clarke was rubbish. A female Terminator could be a good idea from an infiltration perspective, but T3 just fucked the execution.
- No more lame references to the original two films.
- I hated that the central theme from the first two films was "The future is not set. There is no fate but that which we make for ourselves", and the sequels (T3 specifically) shit all over that by making Skynet inevitable. And then it was an OS in Genysis for some reason? This is why having Skynet having taken measures to ensure its own survival makes a lot more sense.
- I don't think Salvation is a good film, but I like that it tried to move the series forward by not just being a remake of Terminator 1 again. Maybe setting a sequel in the future war again would be a good idea?
- No more Arnold, please. How about another big muscular guy as the principal enemy, or do what T2 and T3 do by actually changing up the villain? I loved how Robert Patrick just looks like an ordinary guy (the original idea for the T-800 in the first film), and he is friendly and his infiltration techniques are very logical (i.e. everyone trusts a policeman). And again, I don't think Kristanna Loken was right for the role, but a female Terminator could be an interesting idea.
- Please make James Cameron have a hand in casting. I think every main character they've cast since he left the series has been awful.
- I don't know how you'd get there from the timeline, but exploring the future war might be interesting. They've never really done this, and most of the ideas in Salvation were shitty.
- Please no more convoluted time travel shit like in Genysis. Scientist Man explains it best.
Probably some other stuff, but I've not really paid attention to the series post-T3. Hated that damn film so much.
Mix Master
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Ban Puncher
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Hey cool a third Terminator movie.
The only way it works is if they ignore Conner and just have the Terminator going after someone else. Simple film of Terminator hunting random person who is important in the future. It just has to be scary, tense and exciting without a nod to old films. Make a film like the Terminator films don't exist. No similar lines or scenes.
No similar lines or scenes... just the exact same tired premise as 4 of the movies. Salvation may have sucked but it atleast was something fucking different.
Triggerhappytel
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The Terminator
Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
Terminator Salvation (the one with Christian Bale)
Terminator: Tales from Genesys Space
SolVanderlyn
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There is too much baggage. Maybe it's a reboot of sorts so keep it simple.
I always liked the idea of Arnie being an old soldier in the future who Skynet actually based the Terminator on so you see him fighting in the war but eventually gets captured. He would't be Terminator at all in the film except maybe a glimpse at the end. Would be quite refreshing.
I refuse to believe Sam Worthington is the epicenter of the universe. Refuse.
Barrel Cannon
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I've yet to see 5 but I still don't like it when movies/shows retcon a bunch of stuff for the ease of storytelling
Tony Redgrave
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This just needs one more movie about John Connor, and I mean a human well-cast John Connor fighting an all-out grim final war with Skynet in the future and defeating it once and for all in a well-tought out way. There would be iconic T-800 skeletons in the battlefield along with some Avatar-quality CG Arnold, but not in a critical role.
That's it, a final future war Terminator movie that would finally give us and the characters closure and end a long overdue franchise. Alas, the studio is never going to do this as the IP is incredibly iconic pop-culture wise and still has great money-making potential.
That's it, a final future war Terminator movie that would finally give us and the characters closure and end a long overdue franchise. Alas, the studio is never going to do this as the IP is incredibly iconic pop-culture wise and still has great money-making potential.
Triggerhappytel
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It's not even for the 'ease' of anything. The story is just a fucking mess and they basically wanted to remake various stuff.
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