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Tesla sales tank in Europe as stock drops 40% in a month
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Yes, a lot of his commentary on twitter is trolling. The one about the VA clinical trials is not though. Rather than looking at his post history and trying to figure out what's going on there you could just look at the NY Times article being quoted:It's hard to tell if he is being satirical or serious in some of his tweets.
ManaByte
Member
It’s not an X thing. ALL social media is suppressing first posts with links (well except BluCry but they’re retards) to stop outlets from farming traffic off the site. Meta is worse. People just add the link to a reply now or in the bio. It started before Elon bought Twitter and they copied it from Meta.
It's especially bad for Twitter since Twitter is the main news aggregator. The whole information pipeline is compromised now. Anonymous accounts post sourceless information, instead of verified people posting sourced information.
ManaByte
Member
That’s why I spent time every day boosting community notes.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I'm sure you and your friends won't care, but throwing that around as an insult is a really bad look.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Musk unwittingly handed the world's EV market to the Chinese
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
China is already running away with it.
Toyota launched a $15K SUV in China.
I can only dream of something like this in the US right now.
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China is already running away with it.
Toyota launched a $15K SUV in China.
I can only dream of something like this in the US right now.
I feel like that in order to hit that $15k price point they instiuted microtransactions, like you gotta pay $200 per "start engine token" and $5 per foot of braking
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
China is already running away with it.
Toyota launched a $15K SUV in China.
I can only dream of something like this in the US right now.
Yeah, but he's giving them a helping hand by being so unlikeable that people don't want to buy his shit.
Hari Seldon
Member
No they just don’t have to worry about F-150s behind every blade of grass so they don’t need as much safety tech.I feel like that in order to hit that $15k price point they instiuted microtransactions, like you gotta pay $200 per "start engine token" and $5 per foot of braking
Mistake
Member
NYT is left, and was pushing propaganda harder than NPR. I think only wapo started turning around after firing a bunch of staff. And didn't that FAA thing get a correction? None were fired
I'll have to investigate this further if NYT is the source. Out of everything we've been through, I don't think parroting these types of places is a good idea, but random X posts aren't too good either. Perhaps we can come to some kind of consensus or have a poll on what sources people find reputable. Does Ground News balance things out?
dorkimoe
Member
i would love to see him grilled by these people. He cant even get a coherent thought out on rogans podcast with softball questions.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
It should be required in a democracy
Tesla’s stock price isn’t plunging this deeply because a handful of Teslas have been burnt or vandalized. It’s because a whole bunch of folks who are his usual target market are fed up with his BS.
Dude is giggling around and firing people left, right and center, actively screwing up decades of US investment in soft power, insulting western allies, shilling for Russia and working overtime to prop up Nazi candidates in elections in Europe.
Zathalus
Member
Tesla has alienated large markets for them (Europe, Canada, China, half of the USA), and they are being further dominated in China by other EV brands. I’m curious to see how what the sales numbers look like next quarter. If they are even more dire then I simply can’t see how the stock survives.
JPMorgan just dropped this gem:
“We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,”
JPMorgan just dropped this gem:
“We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,”
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bender
What time is it?
StabbyStabStabStabStab
Member
Lifestyle brands will always suffer when they become intertwined with politics (certainly if it’s a polarising world view formed from soundbytes and tweets). Nestle had the same problem (Shredded Wheat BEGONE).
Ironbunny
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Zathalus
Member
That’s some next level domestic terrorism right there.
ManaByte
Member
I’m going to come into your house and destroy your shit. You seem to be cool with that.
From Forbes, a summary of JPMorgan’s position:
This just seems like Tesla is experiencing the fundamental reality of FAFO.
You keep desperately clinging to the “vandalism and sabotage” narrative. Nobody gives a shit about Optimus.
This just seems like Tesla is experiencing the fundamental reality of FAFO.
You keep desperately clinging to the “vandalism and sabotage” narrative. Nobody gives a shit about Optimus.
Zathalus
Member
Am I? Where did I say that? I’m poking fun at those claiming protesting of such nature is domestic terrorism.
It’s still damaging of property and requires the appropriate punishment such a crime warrants. It’s certainly not domestic terrorism.
Yes. Calling Mark Kelly a traitor, targeting social security and Medicare for sweeping cuts and calling them Ponzi schemes, the questionable salutes he didn’t clarify his intent about for weeks (leading to people like Bannon doing them openly at CPAC and neo-Nazis online celebrating to an unprecedented degree) along with fervent AFD support, openly attacking our closest European allies and calling for NATO to be dissolved, etc., etc., in the span of weeks. And he targeted centrist or right wing people who dared to criticize him during all this as well (e.g., the Quillette founder).
It’s one of the biggest PR disasters I’ve seen in my life, taken as a whole. Antagonizing virtually everyone who would be interested in his products or who had defended him up to that point.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I saw about 4 Rivians driving around yesterday alone. Feels good. Did you guys see the recent Fox interview Musk did yesterday? He was asked about his businesses and it looked like he was about to cry. The boycotts are working. Don't ever reverse course on it.
He then went on to lie again, numerous times, about the most popular and critically sensitive government program in existence - social security.
He then went on to lie again, numerous times, about the most popular and critically sensitive government program in existence - social security.
- He claimed that the left only wants Social Security so that we can entice illegal aliens to come in the country to vote.
- Fact: Illegal immigrants do not collect social security.
- Fact: Illegal immigrants pay into social security approximately $26 billion through taxes but never collect. They are essentially subsidizing American citizens' social security. He is exactly 180 degrees wrong, lying on purpose.
- Fact: Illegal immigrants can't vote.
BlackTron
Member
"Maybe some Americans were born at night, but it wasn't last night".
Hit the nail on the head. People who spent years vilifying the left's antics can't see Trump and Musk trying to kill our system of government as anything but a great thing. In other words...born last night.
I expected people to shift more moderate after the election which is happening but it's disappointing to see which side some otherwise cogent posters are firmly camped on.
For all our sake I hope it never comes down to Patriots vs Nazis who call themselves even bigger Patriots.
Imagine Jews running away in the 30s, but within a few years the government started hunting them down to send back to their home countries while they're still under attack by Germany. Imagine being labeled a traitor because you hid one to prevent it. The United States is on the brink of being this place. It shouldn't even be in the thought process or be drafted pending DJT's decision to sign it. It is now because Russia pulls the strings, and the base is so lacking independent thought they can pretty much spin full-on Russia mode as what is best for them to great adulation.
Gotta be honest. If something dramatic doesn't happen like impeachment. I don't think the U.S. will survive four years. Any of us left able to function will probably realize there is nothing we can do in our lifetimes to fix what remains. We'll be no longer fighting for our kids, but our kids' kids', maybe. Lot's of people will give up and nope out.
FullMetalx117
Member
The irony of trying to have a gotcha but then having an advertisement of a President shilling a $90k golf cart right underneath
BlackTron
Member
You're splitting hairs over which recall notices of the 37 "count" while giving them a free pass to lie through their teeth virtually every other time their mouths open? Come on. I'd like to see this level of skepticism go both ways, but we know from the way you handle Star Wars or Marvel that you really prefer to pick a side and go all-in with it till the end, no matter how bad it gets.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
It is a foolish thing to let thought self reinforcing bubbles dominate you. Discarding news sources because of their perceived bias will turn you into a low information zealot.
Mistake
Member
"perceived bias?" They are biased. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that, I'm sure we can at least do that much. I simply trust sources that attempt to be more bipartisan than partisan and lie about it. When you have activists running news articles you're not getting news at all. Them quoting each other doesn't make things true either. So when we throw these sources around in order to discredit the other side in blind faith, what we're really doing is wasting each other's time. It's a problem and it doesn't help us have quality discussions here. And to be clear, I do think it's important to listen to your critics, but there's a tipping point where it becomes malicious.
^^^best is from the horse's mouth
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
DOGE is just an advisory group of boring accountants guys. They just make impartial recommendations and that's it.
If you refer to their latest report, Line 51C-Section 4, they note that all government workers are murderous nazis and suggest cutting funding in that area.
Totally normal.
Community note: Public sector employees also defeated the nazis.
If you refer to their latest report, Line 51C-Section 4, they note that all government workers are murderous nazis and suggest cutting funding in that area.
Totally normal.
Community note: Public sector employees also defeated the nazis.
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BlackTron
Member
We're a short skip away from AI identifying dissenters from their digital footprint. Hitler would have loved this tech. And an information ministry headed by a billionaire in a tech support shirt because he doesn't understand tech.
It's almost certain they do anything possible to retain power, in escalating levels of dirty. The big question in my mind is will it all be successful. Everyone knows he's criminal, but has his base terrified the judges enough this time to let him get away with it. It's a big game where the only understood currency is total loyalty (or else, comrade!)
It's almost certain they do anything possible to retain power, in escalating levels of dirty. The big question in my mind is will it all be successful. Everyone knows he's criminal, but has his base terrified the judges enough this time to let him get away with it. It's a big game where the only understood currency is total loyalty (or else, comrade!)
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I’m sure this will help!
That's incredible. Retweeting that sounds like something you'd put on a list titled "what to do to make even more people hate you but don't have a lot of time right now."
LimanimaPT
Member
It's funny to see all this Reptrumplicans trying to jusify their dids with what this leftists activists are doing.
Trump and musk only tell lies when words come out of their mouths but people are so blinded that they believe anything they say.
The only truth that came out of Trump was:
"I don't care about you, I just want your vote".
But this Trumpers are so dumb that they voted for him anyway
Trump and musk only tell lies when words come out of their mouths but people are so blinded that they believe anything they say.
The only truth that came out of Trump was:
"I don't care about you, I just want your vote".
But this Trumpers are so dumb that they voted for him anyway
BlackTron
Member
A moderate Democrat has to step in that can harness discontent over Trump/Musk into a giant missile. It has to be someone not woke to garner enough excitement. Democrats need to strategically reassess their voters and issues to save the country. I don't know who it might be yet, if anyone. If pulled off, they might have mythological status in history, with their own federal holiday and everything.
Bojji
Member
TBH i don't get why Americans are so extreme with politics, maybe because only 2 parties?
Just using logic, anything "far", "extreme" etc. is bad so "far left" is just as fucked up as "far right". Going by this something in between is how politics should be done, there is good stuff on both sides to be used (and fucked up stuff as well).
What I see in comments on YT or even here is lack of critical thinking, people agree with everything their party of choice current agenda is. Even if they internally don't agree with that they will still show "support". Tribalism is really strong.
Just using logic, anything "far", "extreme" etc. is bad so "far left" is just as fucked up as "far right". Going by this something in between is how politics should be done, there is good stuff on both sides to be used (and fucked up stuff as well).
What I see in comments on YT or even here is lack of critical thinking, people agree with everything their party of choice current agenda is. Even if they internally don't agree with that they will still show "support". Tribalism is really strong.
winjer
Gold Member
They are so dumb that they read transgenic mice, which are used for medical research, and thought it's transgender.
Trump and his gang are so dumb, they can't even understand something so simple.
And it was mentioned in an official White House statement. So no one is internally vetting anything. Too scared to push back, I suppose.
winjer
Gold Member
If I remember correctly, during Trumps first term, he fired 65 aids. Mostly, if anyone disagreed with him.
So I can imagine some people watching that transgender mouse nonsense happening and preferring to keep quiet, just to keep their job.
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