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Texas cop fatally shoots 15-year-old boy outside party
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This sheds a bit more light but is still vague. When they were confronted, was it face to face or did the cop yell at them from a distance? Did they even hear or see the cop? Did the cop see them clearly? What did the cop communicate? If the cops were called because of a house party, where's the racial component?
Like I said, all of this screams of incompetence rather than profiling. What the fuck was the cop thinking when they decided to shoot at a fleeing vehicle full of teenagers.
Yeah, fucking this piece of shit cop. Guess the car was sliding aggressively sideways at him.
Dude,if the cop saw the kids go to the car it makes it a clearer case of profiling, because he would have seen they are black...
Hale-XF11
Member
Considering I've never in my life heard of part of a windshield referred to as either a passenger or driver side window, I'm going with side window for now.
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
seriously what's the point to shoot at a moving car? If they planned to run you over (which i doubt), even if you kill the driver, it doesn't mean the car stops...
and even then, the other in the car are still there and innocent (not that the driver was not innocent) and you still shoot like you're in a goddamn videogame
fucking incompetent bastard
and even then, the other in the car are still there and innocent (not that the driver was not innocent) and you still shoot like you're in a goddamn videogame
fucking incompetent bastard
So he shot the kid to death as the car passed? On the passenger side? So he wasn't (and couldn't) have even been clearly targeting the driver?
Pantaghana
Member
Because in the movies shooting the driver magically stops the engine.
Just about every single police force in the world forbids officers shooting at moving vehicles. I think even in the US officers are told not to do it, but I think nobody gives a shit either,
Yeah you're right, it's pretty ingrained in American culture that cops can do no wrong. I'm just constantly surprised in someone's ability to willfully blind themselves from the situation and blame the victim.
The no-angel defense is the worst part about this. Whenever someone makes that argument to me I'm always shocked. I mean are you saying he deserved to die because you're so quick to interpret his behavior as 'aggressive'? The kid was doing the reasonable thing here trying to escape a dangerous situation. What else could he have done?
why not shoot the tires? Or is that not allowed for some reason?
I'm actually entering a law enforcement related field shortly and will learn firearms material for the position. Will be interested to see what the training states. That said, not in America so it may be different.
I'm actually entering a law enforcement related field shortly and will learn firearms material for the position. Will be interested to see what the training states. That said, not in America so it may be different.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I could be wrong, but my guess is that shooting at tires is also a no-no because if you miss and hit the road at an angle, you have a good chance at a richocet. But I dunno.
This is a pretty good if what we're being told is the truth.
Anyway we need to change the our cop hating culture, this tragedy wouldn't have happened if they didn't try to run. They weren't involved in underaged drinking so they didn't even need to run.
How is it clear? For one, seeing kids at night from a distance does not mean he knew whether or not they were black. Even in daytime, it could have been unclear depending on the distance and what the kids are wearing. And even if the cop did know the kids were black, it's far from "clear" that the shooting was racially motivated. I'm not denying there's a systemic issue of racial profiling with our cops but in this specific instance, there's not enough evidence as of yet to point to racism as a cause for the shooting. The officer could be the biggest piece of racist shit on the planet but the events don't point to that being the reason he shot. What it does indicate is that there was no reason to open fire and the officer had an itchy trigger finger. That alone is enough reason to be outraged without assuming this is solely due to racism.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Same bullshit. Firing into a car should be illegal unless the people in the car are shooting at you. Too many times, these 'brave' pussies throw themselves into the path to justify firing their weapons.
If you are brave and courageous, stand before a jury and don't hide behind a blue wall.
If you are brave and courageous, stand before a jury and don't hide behind a blue wall.
capitalCORN
Member
Fucking disgusting. Pig thought he was in an action movie, only to kill a barely over pre-teen kid.
I believe they're not supposed to shoot at cars anyway because that doesn't stop the car and if anything makes it more dangerous but who cares about procedure when it's black people?
DontBeThatGuy
Member
You should be pointing your blame at these so-called highly trained police officers that shot at a group of young kids... who were acting like a group of young kids. You're veering dangerously close into "this 15 year old has no one to blame but himself" territory.
Should be interesting to see how they handle the body cam footage. Has Texas passed any of laws restricting the release of this stuff? I know NC had removed all their dashcam and body cam footage from public record requests.
Fucking tragic and appalling and just...god damnit. It's disturbing that I've kind of become numb to these. I'm still furious, but reading the article I wasn't surprised. There was no shock, no "how could this happen", just depression. What the fuck is going on anymore?
Fucking tragic and appalling and just...god damnit. It's disturbing that I've kind of become numb to these. I'm still furious, but reading the article I wasn't surprised. There was no shock, no "how could this happen", just depression. What the fuck is going on anymore?
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
To expound on my point:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Shooting_at_drivers.html?mobi=true
Philly PD had a policy where the cops should not shoot at cars. This article states that shooting at cars is a dangerous practice and costly. And I would say it's cowardly.
An officer weighs 200 lbs, at most. The average vehicle weighs 2.5 tons. No officer should try to stop a motorized vehicle that weighs 10-15 times their weight. Officers, getting in front of cars or reaching out to stop a car or someone in a car is foolish. They should be trying to get out of the way. No one reasonable, believes, a 200 lb man can stop a 2500 lb car.
What i routinely see on released videos is a cop trying this very maneuver. Now, when it doesn't work, they pull their gun. Trying a maneuver that most likely won't work, then killing the occupants because of your terrible judgement seems like a joke. It's the proverbial cop chase where the cop leaps from one building to the next, falls but shoots the criminal because of the cop's logic. Sure, maybe some people aim for the cop with their car but without charging these teens for a crime, the cop killed a boy because something 'could' have happened. Cowardice.
I'm so upset. I have kids that look like this boy. They could die because of the 'potential'. No actual crime. The kid died because of a thought. It's the 21st century version of a thought crime. The police think wrong, kill a person and get away with it.
They don't need to see you commit a crime, they don't need to see a gun. They can just 'think' you have one and justify their terrible decisions.
I wish more departments would use common sense in making policy. No more shooting at cars.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Shooting_at_drivers.html?mobi=true
Philly PD had a policy where the cops should not shoot at cars. This article states that shooting at cars is a dangerous practice and costly. And I would say it's cowardly.
An officer weighs 200 lbs, at most. The average vehicle weighs 2.5 tons. No officer should try to stop a motorized vehicle that weighs 10-15 times their weight. Officers, getting in front of cars or reaching out to stop a car or someone in a car is foolish. They should be trying to get out of the way. No one reasonable, believes, a 200 lb man can stop a 2500 lb car.
What i routinely see on released videos is a cop trying this very maneuver. Now, when it doesn't work, they pull their gun. Trying a maneuver that most likely won't work, then killing the occupants because of your terrible judgement seems like a joke. It's the proverbial cop chase where the cop leaps from one building to the next, falls but shoots the criminal because of the cop's logic. Sure, maybe some people aim for the cop with their car but without charging these teens for a crime, the cop killed a boy because something 'could' have happened. Cowardice.
I'm so upset. I have kids that look like this boy. They could die because of the 'potential'. No actual crime. The kid died because of a thought. It's the 21st century version of a thought crime. The police think wrong, kill a person and get away with it.
They don't need to see you commit a crime, they don't need to see a gun. They can just 'think' you have one and justify their terrible decisions.
I wish more departments would use common sense in making policy. No more shooting at cars.
SamuelSupreme
Banned
You're right to a cop he looks 30 and his hands resemble a glock 9 with a laser sight.
God bless the dead.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Earlier in this thread, you said people were "trying to make this about race." People are refuting your dismissal of the significance of the teens' skin color because at some point, the skin color of the victim affects the course of events invariably. If it doesn't prompt the 911 caller to make the call in the first place, it makes the police assume the worst upon hearing/seeing the soon-to-be victims' skin color. If the police aren't aware of the race of the victims, then the existing perpetuated stereotypes of black and brown people are used to help justify the killings. If the killings can't be justified, then racist police supporters will still harass the family of the victim, directly or indirectly. If the killer cop is actually brought to justice, this becomes an anomaly relative to the norm because of the victims' skin color.
No one has to try to "make it about race" in the country the shooting occurred in. At some point, race becomes a part of it without anyone trying to force it into the discussion.
You can't dismiss the existence of racism and the grossly disproportionate killings of black and brown people in the U.S. by police; you cannot. In turn, you accomplish nothing by going out of your way to assert that this event has nothing to do with race—we have all been born into a world where race has been made to matter and ignoring that change and nothing. You are wasting everyone's time trying to rewrite the context—race always matters in these situations.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
This is very true. People taking about 'making it about race' are usually scared to address the true issues. The 60's sure did make people scared. What are they scared of? Open, honest discussion? Lie, what really happens if we make it about race? Does someone die if we make it about race? It's there a kidnapping or assault? Are taxes raised if we make everything about race?
Can someone tell me what the fuck actually happens if we make everything about race? A cat dies or an angel doesn't get their wings?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
So not only did they kill an innocent person by firing recklessly into a vehicle, they never found out who was shooting at the party. Really shitty policework here.
Show me where I did the bolded. If we want to shift the discussion to racial inequality in the criminal justice system, we certainly can, but that's a completely different discussion. Of course race will play a role from the very beginning but that does not mean the actual shooting was motivated primarily by race as many are asserting without evidence. People are already condemning this as such when we have no solid evidence pointing us in that direction. We don't even know if the dispatcher was told what race the these kids were. The police get called about house parties all the time! Maybe new evidence will surface but you can't try to prosecute based on discrimination for all cases of police misconduct simply because the victim is a minority. That's a great way to let cops walk away without penalty for gross misconduct.
Guilty people get off free if you charge them and can't prove guilt. The public also becomes disillusioned if every case involving a minority is suddenly a case of discrimination when there's no evidence to support such an accusation. As much as it pains you, making every case about race actually does have tangible harmful effects.
Yeah, I'm not sure how the cops could've known the ethnicity of the van's passengers given the time and the van driving in reverse (presumably toward the police vehicle).
Edit: Lawyer's story clarifies. Absolutely disgusting. It's comply or die.
I wasn't aware GAF was a court of law or the prosecutors office. you learn something new every day
LookAtMeGo
Member
Just another day in the good ol US of A.
Seriously, fuck your police force down there. Bunch of incompetent fucks.
RIP little guy.
Seriously, fuck your police force down there. Bunch of incompetent fucks.
RIP little guy.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I'm not sure if you have any evidence to support anything you said here.
This. What kind of chickenshit idiots does the US have in their police ranks? First sign of stress/trouble involving a black kid and you go for the kill? This kind of incompetent fuck would save more lives by not becoming a police officer in the first place. I've read about the US's training for their cops and it is abysmally small period of training compared to some other countries. Also doesn't help when the cops know they can do this with basically no consequences. What the fuck does shooting the passenger even help if you want to stop the fucking car?
King Tubby
Member
He was just a boy. Wasn't even driving.
The actual conviction rate for hate crime cases since 2010 is about 10%. More than half of cases are turned down due to lack of evidence. Pursuing hate crime charges without strong evidence is a waste of time and resources.
Lol no. If something is legitimately driving at you, you won't reliably be able to do this. Too many movies, too many vidyagamez. Comments like this and "shoot the knife out of their hand" makes me wonder if people ever shot a firearm before, and I'd guess the majority of the time outside of LE or military, they didn't in a tense situation.
I blame movies and videogames for giving these ideas to uneducated/unseasoned. It's been done in chases with shotguns and such, but this is not a reliable method in this scenario.
TheStruggler
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I was having this convo with a friend of mine and it is drastically different in canada, in my city there was a lady doing some type of stunt/staement downtown she wore one of those glass doll masks and held a gun up and pointed it to herself and people, in the end it was a real gun no loaded but a cop went out of his way and tackled her to the ground instead of shooting or even tazing her
I stand by my thought that it isn't even bad police training that is the major problem in America. Its guns, its always been guns.
In the case of the police, the fear of guns.
In most of these situations they are afraid of being shot (I can understand that) so they shoot first. Every one of these confrontations become life or death when guns are involved. And in America guns are always involved.
Not to say that bad police training doesn't play a part. Or discrimination. Or profiling. Or lack of accountability. I am sure they all play a part.
But it always comes back to guns. Always.
Same here. This is fucking horrific. Not sure why, but this one really hit me in the gut. Maybe I'm in a bad headspace, or maybe it's just the police-murder-story that broke the camel's back. The impotence really hurts. I can't believe this keeps happening and no action is being taken.
Spring-Loaded
Member
I'm saying that no one can dismiss the existence of racism because it's literally impossible to do, therefore you won't accomplish anything by trying to convince yourself/others that this incident had nothing to do with race.
So? This thread isn't a court of law, people acknowledging that race plays a part in these killings aren't sentencing the officer to death.
If you're just trying to prove how insidious racism is by asserting that it can never be 100% proven in an individual instance, then sure. Well done. Otherwise, it doesn't matter if there's a .01 chance of this having nothing to do with race.
No one thinks police killing unarmed people only happens with minorities, so your concern over people bringing it up isn't warranted at all.