Of everything about this incident you motherfucker keep spouting shit about the harms of mislabeling, if you're so preoccupied start a topic about it and don't try to control the reaction of others. Guess what, what is spoken here won't have any effect on the piece of shit who killed the boy
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Texas cop fatally shoots 15-year-old boy outside party
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Spring-Loaded
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No one is "blinded" by race in this thread except for you. You not being able to accept that th epolice in America have given citizens every reason to believe their killings of people are motivated by race. Again, you admit that's the case, but you cannot accept people saying this shooting was race-relatedwhat sense does that make?
You are the one on a crusade, one to shift attention from race and racism in these discussions (an entirely pointless, misguided crusade at that).
Acknowledging the existence of racism does not preclude or prevent acknowledging problems with training and protocol. Thinking that you need to shut down discussion of racism in order to advocate better training for police is a false dichotomy you've created. One can conclude that there needs to be better training AND reflect on how these killings happen disproportionately to black and brown people AND note how black kids doing nothing at all will make racist people suspicious enough to call cops. The discussion of these matters are not mutually exclusive to one another.
The problem is police killing unarmed people who are doing nothing wrong, let alone doing something warranting being shot and killed. The problem is not anyone assuming this police officer is racist, or acknowledging the greater institution this officer is a part of is proven time and time again to be structurally and functionally racist.
And you are the one disgracing this kid's name. You are using this thread as a jumping off point for your crusade to ignore racism. You are projecting. That you can't see how you're the exact thing you admonish is a sign it's time for self-reflection.
Just for a moment, imagine you're bothered by the existence of racism rather than people bringing it up: do you still feel the need to chastise the ones are the receiving end?
Garrett Hawke
Member
This is fucked up.
RIP to the victim, thoughts to his family and friends.
RIP to the victim, thoughts to his family and friends.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
As racist as this may sound, if that was 4 white boys, it wouldn't have ended like that, I FUCKING GUARANTEE YOU THAT
It would've been a "boys will boys" and their parents will be notified cause the cops know the kids family or some shit like that.
Fucking disgusting cover up by those selfish gang members, yes gang, covering each others backs, not breaking rank cause snitching is frowned upon
Hope that motherfucker gets to rot behind jail for life, took an innocent life, repay with your, consequences fuck face
It would've been a "boys will boys" and their parents will be notified cause the cops know the kids family or some shit like that.
Fucking disgusting cover up by those selfish gang members, yes gang, covering each others backs, not breaking rank cause snitching is frowned upon
Hope that motherfucker gets to rot behind jail for life, took an innocent life, repay with your, consequences fuck face
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Do you care what happens when you remove racism from every topic without cause or is it not important?
Because a black kid dying at the hands of police, in the United States, is inherently racist until a ton of people address it.
It may not be cross burning racism but it's definitely systemic racism.
You're wording was different but that's essentially what you've been doing here.
Semantics aside, is this really the thread for you to be doing this shit in?
A kid was shot in the head and you're up in here with the "Come on guys, we don't know for sure race had anything to do with his murder."
Also, this wasn't a fucking accident and you calling it one makes it perfectly clear what crusade you're on in here.
I bet he mained the warriors on 2k17
NorthAndSouth
Member
That poor boy... this is sickening and is completely unacceptable. How many kids have to die before something is done??
I feel so bad for his family, I really hope they get the justice they deserve!
I feel so bad for his family, I really hope they get the justice they deserve!
Ruled a homicide means it was a death caused by another person. That's just a classification of the type of death. Doesn't mean it was or wasn't justified.
It has a lot to do with the training. Our department has 14,000 +/- calls per year, and we can go back and see incidents that relate to incidents in other jurisdictions, and that we didn't use deadly force because we were trained differently than to just go from level 1 to lethal force. It's different in a lot of places around this country. 13 years and we had two shootings. One DUI guy was caught on foot, he fought the officer and damn nearly killed him, officer got off one shot while the suspect was on top of him, choking him. They were so close together the spent casing couldn't even be ejected. Second one was a domestic dispute between a male/female and dude comes out of the house pointing his gun at one officer saying "i'm gonna kill you". Second officer put a few rounds in that fella. He didn't make it.
All you're doing now is constructing a straw man to knock down. You're not really reading what I'm saying and instead opting to create this fictional argument to rail against. I am not bothered in the lease about people bringing up the existence of racism. I am, in fact, a minority who has been subjected to racism throughout my entire life. I don't even know what I'm supposedly "projecting" here. I have never once said we shouldn't talk about the problem with racism in the police force or that there aren't systemic causes for this horrific outcome.
I really think you're projecting your frustrations with other people about downplaying race onto me. You sound mad and are attacking arguments I never even made. The ONLY argument I've made is an appeal to the facts rather than using emotion to assess what happened. I think getting the facts right are important when seeking justice. Your priorities are obviously elsewhere, and that's fine, but don't misrepresent what I've been saying just because you find what actually happened in this incident secondary to the larger issues of systemic racism.
I never argued otherwise
You keep using crusade but I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. You're obviously angry though and you'll continue to read whatever you want to read regardless of what I actually write.
BLAUcopter
Gold Member
You forgot the part where they were in a car that (allegedly) was driving at the police.
theignoramus
Member
Nah, Im off this hope of internal "reform, American policing has a rot in its DNA thats related to how the country was set up to operate from the day it was founded.
Whats needed are officers being fired, charged and jailed and these police unions getting fucking sued for being habitual civil rights violators.
Inceptional
Member
They were driving away from the police, probably because they were freaking out. That shouldn't get you a bullet in the head. If this went down the way it seems, this pig should be fried.
You're the one who brought up your crusade here and no one is angry but your agenda is quite clear.
Hey, you want to get caught up and try again, buddy?
theignoramus
Member
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas/2017/04/30/officer-fatally-shoots-15-year-old-balch-springs
People like you are the reason I have little to no faith in American policing issues ever being resolved.
Read. Then post an intelligent contribution. Things will go better for you.
gutter_trash
Banned
this cop deserve life in jail
Sure he does, nothing will happen to him though.
If it played out the way it sounds, hopefully they'll make it a quick and certain punishment for the cop. Would be nice for a Texas PD to show how to handle this situation properly (not that it makes up for it happening in the first place but you know what I mean).
Lol I was not implying this is about my own personal crusade which I doesn't even exist. Again, you're reading what you want to read so what's the point.
Even if the cop doesn't go home and draw swaztikas on his forehead and throw feces at his brown neighbors, he still is a product of our systemically racist culture.
Go read Black Boy and think about how shit on the racism front just like... never got better for generations. Just different.
If he instinctually feels like that black kid is some danger vs a white kid who'd get pulled over and escorted home that's an issue. Even if he personally doesn't, an unfortunate amount of people do feel that way.
Some [gasp] very heavy handed socialist changes to policy would [gasp] really help a portion of the population we're just willingly let this shit happen to. So yeah I don't see white people getting shot for trivial shit. Idk it's fucked up
Go read Black Boy and think about how shit on the racism front just like... never got better for generations. Just different.
If he instinctually feels like that black kid is some danger vs a white kid who'd get pulled over and escorted home that's an issue. Even if he personally doesn't, an unfortunate amount of people do feel that way.
Some [gasp] very heavy handed socialist changes to policy would [gasp] really help a portion of the population we're just willingly let this shit happen to. So yeah I don't see white people getting shot for trivial shit. Idk it's fucked up
I am reading what you've posted in this thread thus far and you clearly have a crusade going against people saying race was most likely a factor.
In a thread about a kid being killed, this is your biggest concern.
If there is no point, you're more than welcome to stop responding to me and get back to the real issue, the fact that race had nothing to do with this.
shira
Member
pixelation
Member
How is the process for selecting new police officers?, do they not go through multiple psychological evaluations before handing them over a gun?
This is just stupid.
This is just stupid.
Inceptional
Member
Sadly, it's just the state of the world we live in now, shoot first and think later.
old manatee
Banned
One of the biggest bullies in my high school became a cop in my town a couple of years after graduation. Scared the shit out of me the first time I saw him in uniform.
Astral Dog
Member
Fucking police
This is like something from an horror movie
Corronchilejano
Member
Always wait for the facts
to know if the cop will face justice or walk away with paid vacations.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Yeah, you've just used people being upset about this killing as a jumping off point for your "you can't prove racism, you should ignore it here" crusade, letting the killing and the update about the shooting being unjustified fall by the wayside. If you cared, you wouldn't have baited anyone into talking about your stunted understanding of what actually makes racism worse as a soapbox for your uneducated opinion.
Everyone in this thread has seen you for what you are, so why not take it elsewhere? There's another thread you can meta-discuss this in now.
My biggest concern is justice. Yours is labeling someone racist without evidence. Show me the evidence of this being a result of racial profiling. You don't give a shit about this kid being killed because you don't give a shit about the actual circumstances or the facts involved. All you care about is using this kid's death to fuel your own anger and resentment.
I never said you should ignore racism or that you can't prove it. I said proving motive is difficult and that there isn't anything to suggest a racially driven motive as of yet and therefore assuming this was racially driven with utmost certainty is foolish. But hey, let's not mince words, I'm sure you'll just repackage your preexisting argument rather than actually read what I'm saying.
Hey genius, show me where I called the cop involved a racist? Hell, show me where I mentioned race before I responded to your nonsense.
What justice would that be, making sure this cop isn't unfairly labeled a racist? You showed all the concern you have about this kid when you called this shit an accident.
You don't give two fucks about this kid.
Keep fighting the good the good fight, your crusade is going quite well.
Spring-Loaded
Member
You weren't trying to shift the thread to be about your crusade to stop people from "wrongfully labeling" the cop as racist? Let's go back then. Your first post in the thread:
Which posts before that point were you referring to? Just quote them and post them here.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
What is 'evidence of racism' does the cop gotta scream die nigger die before he fires? You say you're seeking somewhere down the line getting called racist was yet don't understand race is the reason why justice will never be sought.
Edit: Your post actually has me sick, you're more concerned about conceived racism than the dead child, I'm glad someone is making sure this murderer will just be seen as a murderer, and not a racist one.
Edit: Your post actually has me sick, you're more concerned about conceived racism than the dead child, I'm glad someone is making sure this murderer will just be seen as a murderer, and not a racist one.
Spring-Loaded
Member
People often complain about "reckless labeling" of people as racist even when it doesn't happen. For example, no one said this individual cop was racist (anyone's feel free to find posts that did and share them here though). This guy still complains about unfairly labeling people as racist.
In regard to U.S. police, it's a diversionary tactic at worst and sheer ignorance at best to complain about unfair labeling when it's American law enforcement as an institution being called racist, which it is, something proven time and again. In the instances where an individual gets called racist, immediately jumping to "you don't know if they're racist deep down!" is childish and unproductivepeople can only be judged by their actions, and if someone isn't racist "deep down" then they can reflect on what they've done and how it could be, or could be seen as racist, how it could be perpetuating racism. Getting defensive and indignant (especially over someone else being called racist) is just silly and smacks of insecurity.
This dude made his goal very clear, adn you're right, he doesn't give a damn about this kid getting murdered. He only values the false sense of superiority he gets from being "impartial" no matter how shortsighted it is.
I do not feel the need to call people out specifically because I do not believe they were making those assumptions with malicious intent. Rather than derail the thread to be about me calling out people, you can just jump back to the first 3 pages and see people assuming this was a racially motivated shooting from the very beginning. Pointing out the logical fallacy of chalking this shooting up to racism when there is a clear lack of evidence as of yet pointing in that direction is not some sort of crusade meant to downplay racism, it's an attempt to bring people away from misconstruing these events and sticking to actual facts. I believe anger, particularly anger over racism, can be misappropriated and misused and that it's important to curb that behavior because racism is a big fucking deal and should not be taken for granted. OBVIOUSLY you disagree, but you're so fixated on labels, you went and made a thread literally asking why it's wrong to casually label people racists. This really feels like all you care about, and the mere suggestion that this particular killing wasn't motivated directly by racism pisses you off because you internalize it to mean societal racism wasn't an indirect factor when the latter was not what was being said whatsoever.
I never, ever said we can't talk about racism being a factor. I said this seemed to be more a case of incompetence than strictly a matter of racial profiling. When I pointed that out, you literally asked "so what." Well it matters because the response should be tailored to what actually happened, not our preconceived notions of what motivated this shooting. If there's a clear racial component involved, that should be center stage, but if there isn't, there's no need to manufacture one when the problem of police violence and misconduct is already big enough and already has larger connotations of systemic racism.
and by the way, I was not fixated on labels like you've been, I've been focusing on motive and circumstance because I believe those things actually matter when it comes to crimes.
Spring-Loaded
Member
You're not quoting them because no one actually said that. And the other thread was meant to divert your incessant posting here from further detailing this thread, but here we are.
Acknowledging the existence of racists doesn't excuse you from having tunnel vision and trying to shift responsibility onto those that suffer most from racism, societal, structural or otherwise. There comes a point where being merely factual doesn't mean you're rightyou would sound like a child for chastising a victim of abuse for hitting their abuser even if you're technically being logically consistent. Only someone with a woefully simple mind or a concern troll would do something like that. You can't get indignant over people rightfully treating you like a moron for it.
You say you're focused on motives and evidence and yet you provide no evidence anyone labeled this cop a racist. What's the deal?
I did not say people were wrongfully labeling this cop a racist. That's your own misquotation. I said people wrongfully chalked this up to racism, which people actually did. And talk about tunnel vision, now you're accusing me of victim blaming when I never did any such thing. Like I said earlier, you already have your arguments and you're just applying them to me. Show me how I'm shifting responsibility when I'm clearly open to talking about systemic racism. Show me how I'm shifting responsibility when I ask for actual details that can clue us into the motive for this shooting. Maybe you'll end up correct! Maybe this guy was totally just itching to shoot some darkies or maybe he saw a black kid and reacted like he saw some demon in the night and we'll get that testimony. I'm open to that possibility and will process new info as it comes in but I'm not willing to make up my mind and assign motives we know nothing about. That's irrational.
metalslimer
Member
You seem to care more about this than the unarmed kid that was gunned down. You aren't going to convince the black community that race whether it's overt racism or institutional isn't playing a part and we need to wait to make any sort of judgment. It's actually quite offensive that you want to dictate the thoughts of the black community.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
"It's not racism, those cops would have just as easily fired into a car full of white teens leaving a party"
Spring-Loaded
Member
Quote those posts. Just do it, no one's even refuting they exist this time.
Continually demanding that people prove this officer's intent is putting the impetus on society for justifying saying race played a part in this situation (which it always will, just not by your personal criteria) when it should be up to law enforcement to give society at large reason to believe it isn't a racist institution. You are getting indignant over people justifiably assuming race played a part and because that doesn't fit your immature understanding of fairness, you stubbornly persist.
And it's since come to light that these officers saw the kids get into the car and one officer fired at them as they were driving away, meaning there was no threat to the officers' lives. You don't post about that though. It's as if you don't actually care about the shooting. none of that proves racist intent though, so it isn't significant apparently
"Darkies" huh? It's always interesting when the mask slips.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Even giving them the benefit of the doubt: that's their criteria for what constitutes racist intent, or probably what they believe constitutes "involvement of race." There's no getting through to someone like that; a waste of time, but hopefully they serve as an example of what not to do.
UberTag
Member
Law enforcement is the ideal field for bullies.
As for the folks making the "you have to prove intent" argument or that "racism wasn't involved", every single time I see the headline of "cop fatally shoots unarmed teen" and it takes place in the United States, I instantly know the race of the cop and the race of the teen and I'm always correct.
And this is not a conclusion I jump to in the VERY RARE instance an incident like this takes place in Canada. So... do the damn math.