SpeedySwaf
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It sounds more like he doesn't want the Supreme Court overturning laws that are enacted by voters of a state.
Like someone said, he is really salty about gay marriage.
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Texas Governor Abbott calls for amendments to U.S. Constitution
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It sounds more like he doesn't want the Supreme Court overturning laws that are enacted by voters of a state.
Like someone said, he is really salty about gay marriage.
kame-sennin
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It would tank the economy almost instantly, just like every other time it's been done.
djplaeskool
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lol
that Marriage Equality salt mine
that Marriage Equality salt mine
Aaron Strife
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We own as much debt as other countries own ours. No one's coming to collect anytime soon.
JesseEwiak
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I prefer economic policy not be written in stone. Balanced budget requirements are why states have to make massive budget cuts to social programs during economic downturns instead of doing what we did after the '07 recession - spend a buttload of money even if 2/3 of the populace doesn't necessarily want too (because neither the stimulus or Dodd-Frank or anything other positive thing that Obama passed that would've added to the debt would've gotten 2/3 support).
Compare what has happened in the US in the past seven or eights compared to what European governments have had to do because of the GDP to debt requirements of the EU.
Sure, you can, if you prove your economy (ie. your future wealth) is many, many, many times the debt you want to create.
Captain Tuttle
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That's "negra"
Edit: thus country is so divided that you couldn't two thirds of people to agree on anything
cpp_is_king
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Which times are you referring to
StarCreator
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The statements on trying to limit the Supreme Court's power frustrates me. The whole point of the Judicial branch is for there to be impartial, legal analysis of the country's laws and the Constitution. The day you allow the popular vote to override the court is the day this country is finally and truly finished.
The real problem, I think, is that it's solely a presidential duty to nominate new justices. Why isn't this a process of the bar association? The bar association should be able to determine the pool of justices from which the president can make their choice, instead of trusting that the president would nominate a justice on their legal merits alone.
The real problem, I think, is that it's solely a presidential duty to nominate new justices. Why isn't this a process of the bar association? The bar association should be able to determine the pool of justices from which the president can make their choice, instead of trusting that the president would nominate a justice on their legal merits alone.
We are the bank of the world and own the majority of our own debt.
Stop thinking of national debt as household debt.
Some of those sound good. Others, lol. I can tell that the seven justice majority state law thing was made because of the gay marriage thing, and the federal agencies was because of the EPA.
Also he's giving a lot of power to the states because he dislikes the federal gubmint getting rid of bigoted practices in the south and in conservative states.
The one thing I do agree with is that the Supreme Court right now has waaaaayyyy too much power.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm sure its not convenient at all that all of these proposals require flyover states with nobody in them to have equal power to California
Republicans expect to be in power so they can use balanced budget as an exuse to gut all welfare and other federal systems they do not like.
ginger ninja
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LOL. Good luck with constitutional amendments in 2016 America.
This is more like trying to rewrite the actually articles of the constitution and many Supreme Court verdicts of state vs federal power.
PanicFreak
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Except they will still run a deficit. In fact, I would wager that the federal deficit would actually rise under a Republican President.
Debt is not connotatively speaking a liability when you can print your own money. No matter the state the country is in it always has the ability to pay off its debts completely and at any time. Debt is used by the government to expand the economy by spending more then it collects, thus putting additional money into circulation both liquid and in terms of assets
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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In order to balance the budget, we will start with cutting the military budget in half.
Oops, just ruined his idea.
Oops, just ruined his idea.
PanicFreak
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He studied Finance in college too. He should know better.
I have always wondered...how i restoring the gold standard even supposed to work?
American money would essentially become useless after this, no?
you could take those red states cut them all in half to double their numbers and they'd still have more cows and guns than people.
Ziltoidia 9
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Surprised it has taken this long. Mark Levin has been going off about this tactic for years.
Greece
EatinOlives
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I mean, on the one hand, the political landscape making constitutional amendments all but impossible is harming one of the most fundamental aspects of malleability of the government. Not to say it should be easy to amend it, but the magnitude of partisanship makes it practically impossible.
On the other, there's no chance Abbott wants to use these amendments for anything good.
gutter_trash
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fuck state's rights
DirtyManos
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It's always cute to see people try to equate the economics of the government of the United fucking States to the same principles as a checkbook of a household.
Yeah
ginger ninja
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Well that's kinda my point. We all sing songs about founding fathers but the reality is, the constitution they agreed upon and the ways to amend it were already pretty tough for 13 colonies much less present day America, but not like they had a lot of options themselves.
The size of the country, the diversity of opinion and partisan lines pretty much guarantees that moving forward, it will be almost impossible to add any meaningful amendments to the constitution and we will be stuck with a 300 year old piece of paper written by bunch of old white men that is considered sacred.
Let me interpet these amendments
In other words:
Fuck minorities
Fuck gays
Fuck abortion
Shift power to all the crazy local governments
- Prohibit Congress from regulating activity that occurs wholly within one State. -- dont mess w texas (and our racist voting laws)
- Require Congress to balance its budget. -- cut entitlements for the poors
- Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom creating federal law. -- fuck the fcc and epa
- Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom preempting state law. -- fuck the fcc and epa
- Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision. -- end abortion and gay marriage plz
- Require a seven-justice super-majority vote for U.S. Supreme Court decisions that invalidate a democratically enacted law. -- make the supreme court useless
- Restore the balance of power between the federal and state governments by limiting the former to the powers expressly delegated to it in the Constitution. -- he cant keep getting away with it.gif
- Give state officials the power to sue in federal court when federal officials overstep their bounds. -- because of the amendments above state laws > federal laws let us be racist
- Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a federal law or regulation. -- we cant win the presidency any more so allow the state governments to wrestle power away from the federal
In other words:
Fuck minorities
Fuck gays
Fuck abortion
Shift power to all the crazy local governments
The government always pays back its loans, on time. Often it does that by taking out new loans, but said new loans are always voluntarily given by the lenders at agreed-upon terms.
Essentially it's paying your credit card bill by taking out a new credit card. Now, as you do this, you get progressively worse rates on new credit cards as lenders see you as less reliable. And yeah, if the US government goes crazy with deficit spending, that'll happen to it, too. Exactly how that happens depends entirely on the whims of lenders and their confidence in the US economy.
The Constitution is a lawbook for the federal government. It details the major branches, offices, how they'll be elected or appointed, what powers they have, etc.
Now, the first ten amendments to the Constitution are collectively known as the Bill of Rights, because they were intended to enumerate certain basic rights the government can't deny without due process. But amendments since then have made other changes to the government (eg changing how Senators are selected: they used to be elected by state legislatures rather than voters; or changing the dates when Presidents' terms are ended).
So no, the Constitution isn't supposed to be limited to rights enumeration.
Giant Panda
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Well Greece got into their mess due to excessive budget deficits and inane government regulation of their economy. It is good to have the ability to deficit spend occasionally but chronic deficit spending is a problem.
The funniest part about all this is that Amendent #5 would essentially allow Congress to ignore the other 8 amendments anyway.
Congress passes an unbalanced budget -> Supreme Court strikes it down as unconstitutional -> Congress overrides Supreme Court and passes unbalanced budget anyway.
Congress passes an unbalanced budget -> Supreme Court strikes it down as unconstitutional -> Congress overrides Supreme Court and passes unbalanced budget anyway.
ErnieMcCracken
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Should base it on 2/3 Electoral College total. But as others have said, it's nice to want things.
Unknown One
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He probably wants another Three-fifths compromised that helped the South gain massive political power. In this case, Republicans.
Orbis Tabula
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Prohibit Congress from regulating activity that occurs wholly within one State.
Require Congress to balance its budget.
Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom creating federal law.
Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom preempting state law.
Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision.
Require a seven-justice super-majority vote for U.S. Supreme Court decisions that invalidate a democratically enacted law.
Restore the balance of power between the federal and state governments by limiting the former to the powers expressly delegated to it in the Constitution.
Give state officials the power to sue in federal court when federal officials overstep their bounds.
Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a federal law or regulation.
Yeah, half of these seem stupid, half seem unnecessary, and half seem crazy. No thank you.
Require Congress to balance its budget.
Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom creating federal law.
Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom preempting state law.
Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision.
Require a seven-justice super-majority vote for U.S. Supreme Court decisions that invalidate a democratically enacted law.
Restore the balance of power between the federal and state governments by limiting the former to the powers expressly delegated to it in the Constitution.
Give state officials the power to sue in federal court when federal officials overstep their bounds.
Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a federal law or regulation.
Yeah, half of these seem stupid, half seem unnecessary, and half seem crazy. No thank you.
Prohibit Congress from regulating activity that occurs wholly within one State.
Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom creating federal law.
Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom preempting state law.
Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision.
Require a seven-justice super-majority vote for U.S. Supreme Court decisions that invalidate a democratically enacted law.
Restore the balance of power between the federal and state governments by limiting the former to the powers expressly delegated to it in the Constitution.
Give state officials the power to sue in federal court when federal officials overstep their bounds.
Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a federal law or regulation.
Translation:
Ban abortion.
Ban gay marriage
Ban the EPA and any other federal agencies.
Eliminate any ability the Supreme Court has in deciding any partisan issue.
And Texas.
Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom creating federal law.
Prohibit administrative agenciesand the unelected bureaucrats that staff themfrom preempting state law.
Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision.
Require a seven-justice super-majority vote for U.S. Supreme Court decisions that invalidate a democratically enacted law.
Restore the balance of power between the federal and state governments by limiting the former to the powers expressly delegated to it in the Constitution.
Give state officials the power to sue in federal court when federal officials overstep their bounds.
Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a federal law or regulation.
Translation:
Ban abortion.
Ban gay marriage
Ban the EPA and any other federal agencies.
Eliminate any ability the Supreme Court has in deciding any partisan issue.
And Texas.
Learn2read
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It's fucking retarded?
Orbis Tabula
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The argument is "sometimes balancing the budget is not helpful."
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