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Fucking shame what they did to her character and what Covenant did to Prometheus, in general.
They could have built a new branch of sequels off Noomi
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Fucking shame what they did to her character and what Covenant did to Prometheus, in general.
They could have built a new branch of sequels off Noomi
Guy_who_thinks_hes_cool
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and if there's going to be another one after this, maybe call it Alien: Insurrection?
Darkmakaimura
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Covenant was forgettable. No chance this is happening.
Guy_who_thinks_hes_cool
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both Prometheus and Covenant do not have that... I dunno, Alien vibes that the good ol Alien movies used to have, its just my opinion
JareBear: Remastered
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I appreciated that Prometheus was trying to introduce something new to the formula. But I guess Ridley Scott said fuck all that
Guy_who_thinks_hes_cool
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pretty much, oh and by the way, just for the record, Alien Resurrection, Prime Wynona.. there I said it
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Scotty W
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No, you are wrong, I am right.
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mekes
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I’m over my distaste of the new movies already. I hope this sequel makes it to release because now I just want to know the timeline leading to the original Alien movie. Covenant at least left the story in a space where extremely fucked up things were likely to happen. Sci-fi horrors are at the pinnacle of film for me personally, and I am even willing to take style over substance. I will still take a Ridley Scott alien movie because there are other options out there that are more worrying to me. I don’t want Alien remade with The Rock and Kevin Hart. It’s not like the powers that be would remake Alien with a huge budget and put Robert Eggers in charge.
Mohonky
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I honestly loved these movies.
I can see why they get the hate, given how stupid the characters can be; but I loved the Ancient Aliens style premise. I was disappointed that Covenant was like 'yeh no, fuck the the engineers' and we never got anything as far as learning about their civilisation, why they would create life and later set to destroy it, what their connection to the xenomorph was with the murals were on board the ship etc.
But I like Davids story arc, I like seeing the evolution of the Alien lifeform and I really want to see where they planned on going with it.
Personally think Prometheus and Covenant get a lot more hate than they deserve, given the last few Alien movies that precede those films are utterly fucking dreadful.
I can see why they get the hate, given how stupid the characters can be; but I loved the Ancient Aliens style premise. I was disappointed that Covenant was like 'yeh no, fuck the the engineers' and we never got anything as far as learning about their civilisation, why they would create life and later set to destroy it, what their connection to the xenomorph was with the murals were on board the ship etc.
But I like Davids story arc, I like seeing the evolution of the Alien lifeform and I really want to see where they planned on going with it.
Personally think Prometheus and Covenant get a lot more hate than they deserve, given the last few Alien movies that precede those films are utterly fucking dreadful.
Spaceman292
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Everyone else on earth who saw the movie disagrees. I think even some of the actors hated it.
Scotty W
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This is not a strong argument. Actors only do what other people tell them to say and do, therefore they are worthy only of the respect that one human has for another- not their adulation. Their liking or hating a film they were in has no bearing on whether the film is good or not.
The point about the masses enjoying or not is also irrelevant. To quote Rick Sanchez: “I have seen what makes you cheer, your boos mean nothing to me.”
So my point still stands: the Counsellor is a cult classic in the making.
It is not an easy film to understand. It does not pander to modern tastes. But if you take the time to make an impartial judgement after careful consideration, you will see that I am right.
Werewolf Jones
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I watched Covenant expecting Elizabeth Shaw to get better character development, to establish a bond with David and to link up with Diet Coke Ripley. Instead I got fucking Pinocchio in space with Xenomorphs. What the FUCK was that about? Shit film and when Danny Mcbride is the best character in your movie you know you've fucked up.
ZehDon
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To be fair, Covenant was some of his best dramatic acting. He did well considering the script he had to work with - not even Fassbender could elevate that trash.
I think it's time to stage an intervention for Ridley. He needs to let Alien go. I think he got a bit of a pass with Prometheus because it looked great, set up new stuff, and appeared to branch off into more interesting territory. I was, actually, very interested to see where they went. And then... Covenant happened, which easily ranks amongst Scott's worst films. He needs to step away.
sol_bad
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Let's be honest though, Prometheus unfortunately copped a fuck tonne of flak due to some of it's nonsensical elements. Can't blame Scott for going back to basics for that. The fans wanted basic Aliens and that's what they got. I personally loved Prometheus and was a bit bummed that all it's story was ejected for the sequel. I ultimately still enjoyed Covenant a lot though. The baby aliens in the grass scared the fuck out of me.
Spaceman292
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I think you're just too eager to like something that no one else likes. You're seeing something which isn't there.
TUROK
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Covenant is a crap movie on paper, sure, but it's also gory, unsettling, and intense.
Haven't seen it since the theaters but my overall impression was "this is stupid but pretty awesome."
At the very least it shows that storytelling aside, Ridley's still got it.
And the ending of Covenant was so delightfully fucked up that I'm curious where this new one will go.
Well, assuming it ever gets made.
Haven't seen it since the theaters but my overall impression was "this is stupid but pretty awesome."
At the very least it shows that storytelling aside, Ridley's still got it.
And the ending of Covenant was so delightfully fucked up that I'm curious where this new one will go.
Well, assuming it ever gets made.
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Scotty W
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The first time I watched it was a low quality bootleg dvd someone bought on the street. I did not enjoy it and I thought it made no sense. But I gave it another chance, as I thought a Cormac McCarthy film was worthy of attention, and I was very intrigued. Another watch cemented it as an excellent film. It made me abandon existentialism.
I understand why people don’t like it. In large part, it is a character study. The narrative has to be inferred from conversation. And it doesn’t care if it is misunderstood.
And honestly, if you figure out what is going on, the possibilities it raises for our near future make it one of the scariest films to come out in a long time.
HoodWinked
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well thanks to this reminder of the franchise i went down a youtube hole of plot stuff about Prometheus which i had no idea about; watch at 1.25x speed the guy speaks too slowly.
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Loved Covenant. Would watch a sequel day one. Fight me.
Well fuck. Had Ridley stuck to that script and told that story Prometheus could have been fantastic.
Thanks for posting these very interesting.
Rat Rage
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Both Prometheus and Covenant are great. They're actually pretty cool Alien "prequels".
That's also why there are so many garbage opinions on the first page of this thread. I guess, it's because these people are die-hard "Aliens" fans - you know the one with a lot of a action, a easily to follow story and lots of shooting.
Prometheus and Covenant are 2 prequels of a planned 3 or 4 prequel movie series. Prometheus has some flaws, but they have been waaaay overblown buy a group of certain haters, who got offened by its supposed "confusing" story and certain ways certain characters behave (yet, easily to neglect in the grand sheme of the story).
Prometheus is not for the Alien action crowd, it's for the people who appreciate (and understand) the deeper parts of the Alien lore, or like thought provoking movies in general.
And Covenant? Covenant is absolutely fucking awesome. Minor flaws, yes, but there are so many cool Alien lore references in there - its awesome. It's a love letter to the original HR Giger design (all the parts with Shaw). It also explains the behavioral nature of the "aliens", which were often seen as "just animals who want to survive". Nope. Covenant shows us aliens who are way more intrinsically "evil" and/or unnaturally aggressive (it makes sense, if we understand what they they really are).
Also, Fassbender's character David alone, and everything that encompasses his story, makes this movie an 8/10. The ending is fucking great as well.
Overall, I'm very pleased with how these 2 Alien "prequels" turned out. True alien fans learned a lot about Weyland Yutani, The "Space Jockeys", Androids, the origin of the Aliens, the Aliens themselves (and face huggers), while still offering enough "mystery" to keep the brighter ones thinking and talking about the movie.
Prometheus 8.5/10
Covenant 8.8/10
Fuck the haters!
That's also why there are so many garbage opinions on the first page of this thread. I guess, it's because these people are die-hard "Aliens" fans - you know the one with a lot of a action, a easily to follow story and lots of shooting.
Prometheus and Covenant are 2 prequels of a planned 3 or 4 prequel movie series. Prometheus has some flaws, but they have been waaaay overblown buy a group of certain haters, who got offened by its supposed "confusing" story and certain ways certain characters behave (yet, easily to neglect in the grand sheme of the story).
Prometheus is not for the Alien action crowd, it's for the people who appreciate (and understand) the deeper parts of the Alien lore, or like thought provoking movies in general.
And Covenant? Covenant is absolutely fucking awesome. Minor flaws, yes, but there are so many cool Alien lore references in there - its awesome. It's a love letter to the original HR Giger design (all the parts with Shaw). It also explains the behavioral nature of the "aliens", which were often seen as "just animals who want to survive". Nope. Covenant shows us aliens who are way more intrinsically "evil" and/or unnaturally aggressive (it makes sense, if we understand what they they really are).
Also, Fassbender's character David alone, and everything that encompasses his story, makes this movie an 8/10. The ending is fucking great as well.
Overall, I'm very pleased with how these 2 Alien "prequels" turned out. True alien fans learned a lot about Weyland Yutani, The "Space Jockeys", Androids, the origin of the Aliens, the Aliens themselves (and face huggers), while still offering enough "mystery" to keep the brighter ones thinking and talking about the movie.
Prometheus 8.5/10
Covenant 8.8/10
Fuck the haters!
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Insane Metal
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Karmic Raze
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I just don’t have any interest in these movies anymore. I remembered being hyped for Prometheus and then I just kinda forgot about it. Seems like that was a good thing.
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Stiflers Mom
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Yep. This.
Prometheus was stupid but interesting.
Covenant was intense but not interesting.
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clipperslipper
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I hope they make final film. Prometheus and Covenant both admittedly have flaws but still, they are a guilty pleasure of mine and I would like to see some sort of conclusion to the story.
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Gp1
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Me: Great, a new Alien movie
20th Century not Fox: Here GP, come see my new creation, put your face close to that egg.
And i fell for it every single time.
Really, i can't be excited by this anymore. Especially after the clusterfuck that was Covenant (and i liked Prometheus)
20th Century not Fox: Here GP, come see my new creation, put your face close to that egg.
And i fell for it every single time.
Really, i can't be excited by this anymore. Especially after the clusterfuck that was Covenant (and i liked Prometheus)
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Guy_who_thinks_hes_cool
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Am just thinking
they could expand the Alien history and origins by doing a TV series... what you guys think?
they could expand the Alien history and origins by doing a TV series... what you guys think?
Bladed Thesis
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Imagine shitting on Prometheus and Covenant knowing Aliens 3 and Resurrection exist.
There is literally nothing you can say about the acting, script, horror, cinematography, characters, etc without damning 50% of the previous movies to an even worse hell. Much much worse.
There is literally nothing you can say about the acting, script, horror, cinematography, characters, etc without damning 50% of the previous movies to an even worse hell. Much much worse.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I don't love Alien just for the alien...
Bring back Sigourney Weaver please. She's still alive and well..
I thought Neill Blomkamp was going re-imagine 3 with the return of Ripley. Why aren't we getting that movie, instead of this one?
Bring back Sigourney Weaver please. She's still alive and well..
I thought Neill Blomkamp was going re-imagine 3 with the return of Ripley. Why aren't we getting that movie, instead of this one?
HE1NZ
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Both Alien 3 and Resurrection are 10 times better. Prometheus and Covenant are just disgustingly shit. It's proven once and for all that Ridley Scott doesn't understand his own universe and it's Cameron who really made it great.
Lanrutcon
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Prometheus was the dumbest shit ever put on screen. The amount of sheer, undiluted stupidity in the plot was absolutely mind blowing. I would watch Aliens 3 on repeat for a week before even considering revisiting that trash. I don't even want to watch the sequel.
How the fuck did we go from two amazing movies to a bunch of overproduced art student projects.
How the fuck did we go from two amazing movies to a bunch of overproduced art student projects.
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jonnyp
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Those movies are irredeemable dude. They are so bad that words even fail me.
Halo is Back
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Just give me another Alien isolation please and thanks
David (the Android) basically took a huge dump on everyone, and fucked about with a flute.
Halo is Back
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I thought Ripley's death was quite fitting. Sacrificing herself to stop WU corp and killing the "last" alien. Other than that though the movie is not very good.
Halo is Back
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Halo is Back
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(Sorry for all of the post but Im passionate about this franchise) I blame all of the people who whined it wasn't action packed enough or didn't have the alien. I willing to bet FOX pushed back on Scott to include the Alien more. It makes sense to me because I always felt like Covenant was trying to be 2 different movies, one about the god complex of David and creation, the other is just another generic sci-fi horror plot.
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taizuke
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This has been my thinking as well. But, i say if the Awakening turns out to be crap too then It's time we get a TV series. Either that or let Neil Blomkamp do his dream sequel to Aliens.
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Space Runaway
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Yeah Covenant feels like it wants to be a mad scientist android movie with loftier goals than merely telling the origin of the xenomorph, yet it had to and feels rather...limited(?) due to it. Especially when the last act cuts off the story(Until the very final scene) to focus entirely on the xenomorph action scenes people wanted so much.