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The American Taliban
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bob_arctor
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Well, that's just terrifying. Thanks a lot.
heavy liquid
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That's one of the most frightening sites I've seen a while. A few of my favorite quotes:
America is being run by fucking lunatics.
America is being run by fucking lunatics.
That one about not needing to protect the environment because he believes the Second Coming is at hand is the most frightening one to me. That's responsible public service, right there.
Oh yeah, those Methodist heathens are going to burn in hell! Way to encourage that ecumenical spirit, Pat!
Pat Robertson said:
Oh yeah, those Methodist heathens are going to burn in hell! Way to encourage that ecumenical spirit, Pat!
Leatherface
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can't say I'm surprised unfortunately. =(
To be clear, James Watt isn't the current SecInt. Gale Norton is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt
Still, disgusting quotes and yay for the worthless reagan admin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt
Still, disgusting quotes and yay for the worthless reagan admin.
Who aaaaaare these people?!?
I find it so disgusting that such people are running this country, and I feel dirty for being associated with them by nationality. If it gets worse instead of better in the next one or two elections, I'm going to seriously consider bailing out of this dying country.
fortified_concept
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You've GOT to be fucking kidding me! He did not say that. He did not say that!
Kung Fu Jedi
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As if I didn't feel bad enough today, this site didn't help matters. Ugh!
MadOdorMachine
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Boogie said:
With all due respect, I think Pat Robinson's quote was probably in response to having gay priests in a church. Whether you're a Christian or not, you have to understand that being a gay priest is just not acceptable. The leadership of a church is supposed to set the example. A gay priest is clearly against the teachings in the Bible. As for homosexuality, I agree that God hates it, but he does not hate the person doing it. God loves everybody and it says in the Bible that every sin is forgivable except blasphemy (the outright rejecting of God). As a Christian, you should not condemn someone for their actions, but have compassion for them and try to help them.
ManDudeChild
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MadOdorMachine said:
With all due respect, how do you know what your God likes and dislikes?
fortified_concept
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MadOdorMachine said:
Homosexuality is a sin? So if I were homosexual I should ask forgiveness from God who created me that way? And thanks but I wouldn't want help from someone who thinks that what I am is something dirty or sinful.
Drinky Crow
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Even the Biblical question of homosexuality as a sin is dubious to thinking Christians -- the admonitions against it come from the OT (which may or may not specifically refer to male temple prostitution and and has been superseded by the New Covenant in modern Christianity anyway), and the NT injunctions come from Paul -- a man whose sole relevance to Christ is a purported conversion on the Road to Damascus, and whose authoritarian, judgmental preachings seem distinctly un-Christlike.
Jesus, oddly, is mum on the subject of TEH GAY. But man he doesn't like divorce. Funny, though, how many modern Christians seem to overlook that.
Jesus, oddly, is mum on the subject of TEH GAY. But man he doesn't like divorce. Funny, though, how many modern Christians seem to overlook that.
CabbageRed
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fortified_concept said:
Well, I believe the idea is that we are all sinful ("dirty" if you're Catholic) and are then supposed to aspire to become what god wants us to be through free will. It is supposed to be hard and require you to sacrifice much of one's "hard wiring." Not being Christian, I don't think homosexuality should have been included as I see no harm in it or a threat to any long lasting estblishment. I wonder if there was an issue with there being too few men running about due to wars.
MadOdorMachine
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I wouldn't say all of them completely lack it. Some of those quotes, I agree are pretty "out there."megateto said:
It's pretty clear in the Bible, what he does and does not like.ManDudeChild said:
Yes, according the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. You are not born gay. People do not learn about sexuality until they are quite a bit older. God sees all sin as equal though, whether it be murder, stealing, homosexuality or whatever. It says in the Bible that we "All fall short of the glory of the Lord." In his eyes we are all dirty and sinful, but that sin and dirtiness has been paid for with the blood of his son, Jesus Christ. These people who have been quoted are not perfect. Jesus was very compassionate for peoples sexual sin. He prevented a woman from being stoned to death for adultry and Mary Magdelene, a prostitute, he defended against several people.fortified_concept said:
Red Blaster
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Wasn't Jesus a liberal?
bob_arctor
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So wait, God wrote the entire Bible, himself?
Christoff Yurievich
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if there's one thing I've learned from my wife's obsession with "The Da Vinci Code" it's that Mary Magdelene wasn't a prostitue. A stupid pope from the 1300's (or sometime around then) said that and it became known as fact. Much like how the WMD's didn't exist but some stupid president said they did and therefore it became known as fact.MadOdorMachine said:
Kabuki Waq
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OT but i would liek to know: isnt sex before marriage a sin?
whats the policy on drugs and underage drinking?
whats the policy on drugs and underage drinking?
Kabuki Waq said:
A lot of Christians would definitely say that premarital sex is a sin. Myself, I'm not sure about that anymore, but hey, not like it makes any difference for me, LOL AM I RITE?
Drugs and drinking? Again, hard to say, especially the drinking one. Drinking certainly isn't a sin, but we are called to obey the laws of the land too, so in the sense that you are disobeying the law, it might be considered sinful.
Drug use would almost definitely be considered sinful, I would think.
fortified_concept
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Crow said:
Hehe exactly.
MadOdorMachine said:
OK I disagree with you but I respect your opinion. Except the highlighted part which really pissed me off. Go check a biology book for a change. And putting homosexuality in the same list with murder and stealing kinda ticked me off too.
MadOdorMachine
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Yes, I agree, it's messed up. I ask myself that all the time. Why would God create us just to send so many of us to burn in hell for all of eternity? You have to understand God's plan though. After Armageddon, he will create a new earth, that will be an Eden or paradise for those who believe in him to dwell in for eternity. You have to understand though, that God didn't create us this way. Everything was perfect in the beginning. He gave us free will to choose him and we fell from grace. Even a third of the angels in heaven fell from grace. It's our choice, not his. And not all good men will go to hell. It says in the Bible that people who have never heard about Jesus will not go to hell, it's only those that have heard and outright reject him that will go to hell. Everything in the bible that occurs after man fell from grace is to restore us to that perfect place God wants us to be in.Crow said:
bob_arctor
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MadOdorMachine said:
Look, we all know this is b.s. As evidence that there is no God, I offer only:
Also, if Eve hadn't taken that apple, would we still be in Paradise today or was that damn snake gonna keep on pushing his wily wiles on her, ad infinitum, until we're left with what we have left currently?
MadOdorMachine
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Yes, all sex outside of marriage is considered a sin. Even lust and masturbation is a sin. It's called fornicationKabuki Waq said:
As for drinking and drug use, it's open to debate. I believe it's okay to drink in moderation. Jesus himself turned water into wine, but it says in the Bible not to be a drunk. That means to me it's okay to drink in moderation as long as your not an alcoholic. As far as drug use is concerned, I believe the same thing. As long as you use something in moderation, it's fine. It says to treat your body as a temple and to obey the law of the land if it does not contradict God's laws. That being said, using illegal drugs would probably be a sin in God's eyes. I do however believe God put Marijuana, Cocaine, Opium and Mushrooms on this planet for a reason, and that marijuana shouldn't be illegal, and cocaine and opium should be able to be used with a perscription.
And according to the Bible you can own slaves, just don't beat them to death! PRAISE JESUS!
Seriously, don't take that stuff literally. There's both good and bad in that book.
Anyway, I can't believe Bush Sr would have said something like that. Can someone confirm that? I always thought of him as a more true Republican with his son being the wacky religious nut type.
Seriously, don't take that stuff literally. There's both good and bad in that book.
Anyway, I can't believe Bush Sr would have said something like that. Can someone confirm that? I always thought of him as a more true Republican with his son being the wacky religious nut type.
MadOdorMachine
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We'd still be in Eden or paradise, however, it was inevitable that Satin eventually got us to fall from grace. We have no idea how long Adam and Eve were in existence before this happened. God knew it was going to happen. He knew we would fall from grace, just as he knew Lucifer would rebel before he created us. It's all part of his plan.bob_arctor said:
Obviously, it isn't pretty clear in the Bible, as your entire argument against Drinky's post is "No, it just is!" First off, your argument is horribly flawed on a number of bases. If you're going to rely on the Bible to interpret the will of God, you're going to have to admit that numerous (over 40,000) different copies have been made through the years... some with small changes like spelling and minor word arrangement, others have done so much as to interject women as the weaker sex, which really isn't the case, academically speaking, from most of the 'original' texts recovered archaelogically. If you look at the sexism differences alone between the Septuagint and the modern NT, you'll see many different cases of this. So the idea of using the Bible to interpret exactly what God does and doesn't like is a bit of a leap in itself, unless you're willing to submit that your argument is basically "Well it's obvious that either God or one of millions of people who've had access to Biblical writings for the past couple millenia didn't like gays."MadOdorMachine said:
This also supercedes the simple assholeness that you'd be willing to let people who eat meat on Sundays and wear silk carry the cross on their chest in the name of God, but if they're gay, well, they can't do it and they're setting a bad precedent. Kinda picking and choosing which sins you want in a church leader, aren't you? There's 200+ sins which they shouldn't do but they probably do, and you've got people like Pat Robertson saying that we can overlook all that as long as they're not gay. It's fucking horseshit... just another example of religious corruption.
heavy liquid
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teh_pwn said:
It seems that religious fanaticism runs in the family. The quote is from the fall 1988 issue of Free Inquiry magazine.
CabbageRed
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RedDwarf said:
I feel the same way. It takes some valid points and concerns and then uses scare tactics/calculated extremism to engender bias/fear/anger. A true shame.
"Anyway, I can't believe Bush Sr would have said something like that. Can someone confirm that? I always thought of him as a more true Republican with his son being the wacky religious nut type."
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/arguments.html#bush
"'Did George Bush really say that atheists should not be considered citizens?'
The following exchange took place at the Chicago airport between Robert I. Sherman of American Atheist Press and George Bush, on August 27 1987. Sherman is a fully accredited reporter, and was present by invitation as a member of the press corps. The Republican presidential nominee was there to announce federal disaster relief for Illinois. The discussion turned to the presidential primary:
RS: "What will you do to win the votes of Americans who are atheists?"
GB: "I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me."
RS: "Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?"
GB: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
RS: "Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?"
GB: "Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists."
UPI reported on May 8, 1989, that various atheist organizations were still angry over the remarks.
The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday February 27, 1989. It can also be found in "Free Inquiry" magazine, Fall 1988 issue, Volume 8, Number 4, page 16."
Drinky Crow
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What the fuck? As the Republicans have successfully proven time and time again, only directed shock tactics can get Americans to stop wallowing in economic apathy and get riled up. Fortunately, for once, THIS is something they should be riled up about if they care about this fucking country at all.
I'm really REALLY tired of the conciliatory tone adopted by most would-be "liberals" or Democrats. The "can we all please just stop shouting" camp of waffling pussies needs to get hammered out of the Democratic Party NOW. Either you believe in something and are willing to do what it takes to defend your beliefs, or you're just another selfish, wavering tool looking for a moment's peace at the expense of the greater future. I'd rather the pseudo-moderate crowd just embrace apathy than offer the sort of wibbling, noncommittal, caveat-riddled "support" they do now because the other side sure as fuck ain't gonna compromise.
MadOdorMachine
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Thank you, I respect your opinion too. Let me explain sin though. We (mankind) see some sins as being greater than others. Obviously I see something like murder as being far worse than cursing someone out. I'm sure we both agree there. What's worse though, someone killing a little girl, or kidnapping her and raping her, leaving her to deal with that for the rest of her life? Because God loves us all and we are all sinners, you are not any less forgivable as a murderer or rapist, than for cursing someone out. We are the ones that define the heirarchy of sin because of the guilt we feel for our actions. The rapist might feel more guilty for his sin than the murderer even though my opinion is that murdering her is worse. It says in the Bible that it's a beautiful thing and that all of heaven rejoices when someone turns from thier sins. For God, it is just as easy for him to forgive you of murder as it is for cursing someone out. We are the ones that have a hard time asking for that forgiveness. I hope that explains what it means when the Bible says God sees all sins equally.fortified_concept said:
ManDudeChild
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MadOdorMachine said:
That's great. But what in holy hell are you basing ANY of this on? Even if one were to take the Bible at face value (quite the leap to be sure), it has been re-written so many times by humans. Of course, that's assuming one can even make that first jump.
Some nice Pat Robertson gems there, as always I recommend the little piece Palast did on him :/
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